Moska
Sr Member
Thank you very much for all the help and information, and please excuse my intrusion into your thread.
I'll do what you suggest and I will launch a new thread when I feel ready.
Many thanks again.
Rafa
ANH Pyro X-Wing References - Mainly: Red 6 Search
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Thank you very much for all the help and information, and please excuse my intrusion into your thread.
I'll do what you suggest and I will launch a new thread when I feel ready.
Many thanks again.
Rafa
jedimaster
Sr Member
The Edlund master has been bugging me lately as well. The port side nose has the steeper taper (ROMAN) shape. Where as the starboard side has less of a steep slope at midway. This makes it difficult to know which way to go on mine.
Hey I'm not the organization police. Don't even worry about it... its not even my thread. Its only advice to assist your build.:thumbsup
Who is this ROMAN mentioned? Those paintbooth photos are really helpful in profile but I agree these angles are difficult to pin down. Even starting with hero reference has me guessing on the Pyro's too. Just how different, and different where?
So whats up with these Saturn V cans? In the pavement photo of the kit parts we do not see the half with the long rectangle. Only four duplicates of the same can. You can spot a repair in these Pyro kits on these... with a recombined segment at the back. We could assume this is an original part or it would have been replaced in its entirety. The panels on top are consistent with actual Pyros.
But did you notice the other cans with rectangle on top are from the Monogram version? I've only ever spotted Airfix parts used on the original models. The quality of this duplicate is quite sharp, perhaps a later addition to this kit.
Then looking at the paintbooth photos we see that long rectangle can on a Pyro... but its an Airfix can. Regardless of brand, do other Pyro's feature this can? Would they have been resin duplicates or actual kit parts?
jedimaster
Sr Member
Sorry man i meant the shape of the nose. Its Roman as in a hooked or roman style nose on the port half of this photo of the original wood carved halves. The starboard side nose has more of a slow taper. So depending on which side of a finished bird you look at the nose would appear to be different in shape. Most of the pics available show the port side of the pyro so it is easy to assume that these all had the hooked(roman) nose, however looking at this photo , the two halves at least on the nose do not match in shape.
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MonsieurTox
Master Member
Uh ? I don't understand, that's Edlund's pyro master, right ? It's made from styrene and resin, there's no wood ?
jedimaster
Sr Member
You can tell that our pyro's came from this mold. they match up perfectly except for the nose. Even the gap at the back of the fuse on the starboard side can be seen here on the original master pattern.
jedimaster
Sr Member
Sorry Julien your right its early here i just woke up. Christies listed the original masters as being carved from wood and then this pattern was created from that and detail scribed etc. and that always stuck in my mind.
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MonsieurTox
Master Member
Yeah that's true I remember when I saw the auction !
Then someone (I think it's Gene) who posted pics of it where the inside of the plugs was visible !
Well the nose was changed by Eaves and the one he used is obviously modified (the slot is filled), but the nose profile still looks quite good and it's the best representation of it to date IMHO !
jedimaster
Sr Member
I agree EAves did a great job on the nose. I wasn't as anal about it until Colin brought it to our attention and now it has added to my observational obsession with doing this bird justice.
I've also been thinking( probabally too much ) about the droid slot that is present on our pyro's. Some of the references we have have that droid part cut out as does ours where as most have it filled. Two different castings/versions? Perhaps the later pyro's which were painted roughly had the strip filled. Certainly the earlier ones with the great paintwork we see in the table top pix have the droid caverty present. Where as the badly painted red 4 in the Japanese mag and the black and white pics it is filled.
Hmmmm!
I've also been thinking( probabally too much ) about the droid slot that is present on our pyro's. Some of the references we have have that droid part cut out as does ours where as most have it filled. Two different castings/versions? Perhaps the later pyro's which were painted roughly had the strip filled. Certainly the earlier ones with the great paintwork we see in the table top pix have the droid caverty present. Where as the badly painted red 4 in the Japanese mag and the black and white pics it is filled.
Hmmmm!
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Very easy to cut out a slot from the foam halves for the original pyros, they might have done it with the "nice" pyros while they were still going to that level of effort, then stopped. Does anyone else feel that the R2s with the kit may be too short if sat down into the socket? The Red 3 pyro R2 and the one in the Red 6 masked-up shots both look like they sit a bit higher than that.
Since the Edlund master was a bandsawed "hero-style" buildup, what you're seeing with the nose (to my mind) almost HAS to be a photographic artifact, or possibly a result of the warping that has taken place over the years.
The only way the nose can be much different left to right is if the original nose castings have a quite non-flat top surface. Now, in plan view they're not very symmetrical at all - but the top surface would have to have a real list for it to differ much in left/right profiles. No?
Since the Edlund master was a bandsawed "hero-style" buildup, what you're seeing with the nose (to my mind) almost HAS to be a photographic artifact, or possibly a result of the warping that has taken place over the years.
The only way the nose can be much different left to right is if the original nose castings have a quite non-flat top surface. Now, in plan view they're not very symmetrical at all - but the top surface would have to have a real list for it to differ much in left/right profiles. No?
Colin Droidmilk
Sr Member
I agree about the Edlund nose- I reckon the seriously warped starboard half is giving us a different angle of view. Reckon the whole nose of that Edlund is Roman in truth.
Haven't cleaned my droid up yet, so can't give an opinion there...
Haven't cleaned my droid up yet, so can't give an opinion there...
BrundelFly mentioned that JE had to do a bit of searching to make what he found in the box of parts complete. Referencing images from GkVfx, as well as Treadwell's photo shoot reveal that yes R2 units coming out of the original mold were taller. Maybe what we have is the only one he could find. We know the Salzo cockpit was sourced because an original production version was not in-hand when BrundelFly was casting these up for us.
Gene's photos show us the inside of the Edlund master... THE Pyro master. The notch in the nose is present, and as its made from the same parts as the Heros... has no slot for the droid whatsoever. Just the same ramp down for where the droid plate/strip will seat.
I agree that the photo of the Edlund master does looked warped, I would guess lens effect... looks much straighter in Gene's shots.
No curiosity on these engine cans huh?
Gene's photos show us the inside of the Edlund master... THE Pyro master. The notch in the nose is present, and as its made from the same parts as the Heros... has no slot for the droid whatsoever. Just the same ramp down for where the droid plate/strip will seat.
I agree that the photo of the Edlund master does looked warped, I would guess lens effect... looks much straighter in Gene's shots.
No curiosity on these engine cans huh?
Colin Droidmilk
Sr Member
Where can we find Gene's shots? I've never seen them. As to the cans... I'm a fuse man, really...don't have time to get anal about cans too, lol...
Shots of the recently auctioned Dave Beasley reassembled Pyro.
http://www.therpf.com/f10/studio-scale-x-wing-tie-pilots-what-they-89686/
Still trying to find the Edlund photos of his... around here somehwere.
http://www.therpf.com/f10/studio-scale-x-wing-tie-pilots-what-they-89686/
Still trying to find the Edlund photos of his... around here somehwere.
jedimaster
Sr Member
In those shots the droid slot sits back at least a further 6 mm than ours and the droid is much higher.
Colin Droidmilk
Sr Member
I'd kill to see some ortho-ish elevation and plan views of that auction pyro...
Yup. I think our droid is a late version made for - or moulded from - "no socket" pyros.
jedimaster
Sr Member
I have a theory I'd like to run past you guy's later. I need to post pics for illustration so I'll do it when I get home. Maybee I'm just crazy.
Found those photos of the master that GKvfx took before the auction. Where else but the research thread for the differences Hero/Pyro. Scroll down.
http://www.therpf.com/f10/x-wing-research-differences-between-hero-pyro-models-47417/index6.html
Colin Droidmilk
Sr Member
Thanks, Nighteyes. There's also a great ortho view of the underside of Red 3 in there that I'd never seen before...
