Am I doing something wrong?

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Chingon

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I purchased a Blade Runner blaster in the group buy arranged by nickthesaberman in the JY. I received the blaster and was very happy with it, however I've decided to focus only on Star Wars props for the time being. I listed the blaster on eBay last night and then this morning I received the following message:

Hellow my company produces these blasters. And I have questions I need answers for before taking action,1 I sell these on ebay at 250.00 with a full refund if not satisfied guarranty, and you did not buy this on Ebay because I have no record of it so you must have bought it on the RPF at 225. I took a 25 dollar hit to give rpf members that deal with the same guarranty not so that they can put them on ebay at a lower price.. and have me competing with MY OWN PRODUCT... This kind of stunt will force me not to sell to RPF members. So Kindly remove it.[/b]

I'm not sure if this is just some misunderstanding or what. I don't see what the big deal is about me reselling something that I own. Am I missing something here? The last thing I want to do is potentially hurt other RPF members, but I think this guy may be just a tad out of line.
 
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I purchased a Blade Runner blaster in the group buy arranged by nickthesaberman in the JY. I received the blaster and was very happy with it, however I've decided to focus only on Star Wars props for the time being. I listed the blaster on eBay last night and then this morning I received the following message:

Hellow my company produces these blasters. And I have questions I need answers for before taking action,1 I sell these on ebay at 250.00 with a full refund if not satisfied guarranty, and you did not buy this on Ebay because I have no record of it so you must have bought it on the RPF at 225. I took a 25 dollar hit to give rpf members that deal with the same guarranty not so that they can put them on ebay at a lower price.. and have me competing with MY OWN PRODUCT... This kind of stunt will force me not to sell to RPF members. So Kindly remove it.[/b]

I'm not sure if this is just some misunderstanding or what. I don't see what the big deal is about me reselling something that I own. Am I missing something here?
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You are doing nothing wrong. He needs to get a reality check.
 
I'd say unless you specifically agreed to NEVER resell it, it's your business and the Ebay seller is just acting like a tool. I know I've sold items to people here that they later put on Ebay and as far as I'm concerned, it's their choice, not mine. I kind of feel that once you sell something, the buyer can do whatever they want with it (except recast).
 
In my mind, it's a personal ethics choice.

IIRC, the nature of the thread on the RPF was VERY MUCH in the spirit of "I'm offering them here and giving you guys a price break". The idea behind this is to "give something back" to the community, in the form of a few bucks off the price.

The motivation is NOT to provide RPF members with an opportunity to turn around and sell the piece at retail price for a profit.

BUT, just because that's the motivation of the seller, doesn't mean your ethical compass has to respect it. Personally, if it was me, I think the better move from a political perspective would be to offer the piece in the junkyard for what you paid for it. It shows that you have some respect for the seller, and that you have some respect for this weird little family we have here called the RPF. It shows that you're not trying to make a quick buck, or gouge buyers.

However, you're under no legal obligation to do that. Maybe not even a moral obligation, depending on how you see things.

While i can understand the position of the seller, i don't know if there's any real "action" he can take from a legal standpoint.

But ask yourself this: if you sold something you built in the junkyard for 50 bucks, and the buyer turned around and sold it for 100, would you be pissed??
 
Good grief.Just send him back a message and tell him to wise up.It's your blaster you can do whatever the hell you want with it.Honestly the nerve of some people.
 
You are doing nothing wrong as it is your property to do with what you like. He hasn't lost anything as he already sold the product to you in the first place. If he refunds you money and then resells it again, wouldn't he lose a little in the shipping and PayPal fees? He may want to re-think his selling strategy or maybe at least his customer service approach.
 
I guess Monsters in Motion is trying to hurt their sales by pissing off a very BIG customer base called the RPF. If Master Replicas did this they would not hear the end of it. I think a better approach would be to contact the Board here and offer small discounts here as well. Not too smart of a move by MiM if you ask me. Especially since the prices they have them on ebay for now are equal to what Nick offered. They must have got a few too many returns.
 
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In my mind, it's a personal ethics choice.

IIRC, the nature of the thread on the RPF was VERY MUCH in the spirit of "I'm offering them here and giving you guys a price break". The idea behind this is to "give something back" to the community, in the form of a few bucks off the price.

The motivation is NOT to provide RPF members with an opportunity to turn around and sell the piece at retail price for a profit.

BUT, just because that's the motivation of the seller, doesn't mean your ethical compass has to respect it. Personally, if it was me, I think the better move from a political perspective would be to offer the piece in the junkyard for what you paid for it. It shows that you have some respect for the seller, and that you have some respect for this weird little family we have here called the RPF. It shows that you're not trying to make a quick buck, or gouge buyers.

However, you're under no legal obligation to do that. Maybe not even a moral obligation, depending on how you see things.

While i can understand the position of the seller, i don't know if there's any real "action" he can take from a legal standpoint.

But ask yourself this: if you sold something you built in the junkyard for 50 bucks, and the buyer turned around and sold it for 100, would you be pissed??
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Matt, generally I would agree with you on this point, but from re-reading the email that the seller sent Chingon, it looks as if Chingon is selling it at or below the price he paid for it in the JY. He's not making a profit or ripping anyone off (since we don't have a link to the auction, I don't know what chingon is selling it at, but it's obviously less than the $250 that the seller is selling his for).

I think in this case, the seller is mad because he's essentially competing against himself. If Chingon removes his, then people would have to buy it from the seller at a price of $250 which means he would have sold $475 worth of merchandise. If someone buys the gun from Chingon, the seller has only sold $225 worth of merchandise.

He's not mad that someone is profiteering from his genorisity, but that he is being beaten in price on his own product. I could understand why he's upset, but Chingon is guilty of nothing more than bad timing. Assuming this guy doesn't continuously have a gun for sale, how long do we have to wait before we can sell our own property at a loss or at most, zero gain?

-Fred
 
From what I can read here, that guy is out of line. I seriously wouldn't consider buying from him now, seeing how this is how he reacts to his costumers.

Bad form. :angry
 
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In my mind, it's a personal ethics choice.

IIRC, the nature of the thread on the RPF was VERY MUCH in the spirit of "I'm offering them here and giving you guys a price break". The idea behind this is to "give something back" to the community, in the form of a few bucks off the price.

The motivation is NOT to provide RPF members with an opportunity to turn around and sell the piece at retail price for a profit.

BUT, just because that's the motivation of the seller, doesn't mean your ethical compass has to respect it. Personally, if it was me, I think the better move from a political perspective would be to offer the piece in the junkyard for what you paid for it. It shows that you have some respect for the seller, and that you have some respect for this weird little family we have here called the RPF. It shows that you're not trying to make a quick buck, or gouge buyers.

However, you're under no legal obligation to do that. Maybe not even a moral obligation, depending on how you see things.

While i can understand the position of the seller, i don't know if there's any real "action" he can take from a legal standpoint.

But ask yourself this: if you sold something you built in the junkyard for 50 bucks, and the buyer turned around and sold it for 100, would you be pissed??
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Matt, generally I would agree with you on this point, but from re-reading the email that the seller sent Chingon, it looks as if Chingon is selling it at or below the price he paid for it in the JY. He's not making a profit or ripping anyone off (since we don't have a link to the auction, I don't know what chingon is selling it at, but it's obviously less than the $250 that the seller is selling his for).

I think in this case, the seller is mad because he's essentially competing against himself. If Chingon removes his, then people would have to buy it from the seller at a price of $250 which means he would have sold $475 worth of merchandise. If someone buys the gun from Chingon, the seller has only sold $225 worth of merchandise.

He's not mad that someone is profiteering from his genorisity, but that he is being beaten in price on his own product. I could understand why he's upset, but Chingon is guilty of nothing more than bad timing. Assuming this guy doesn't continuously have a gun for sale, how long do we have to wait before we can sell our own property at a loss or at most, zero gain?

-Fred
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Fred

You are correct. I'm selling the BR Blaster for $200, which is less than what I paid for it. Also, the only reason I listed it on eBay and didn't offer it directly here was that I figured that any RPF member who wanted one had already purchased one through nick. I did plug my auction here and at another prop board, though. Guess I just figured it'd be good to cover all my bases, just in case.

Either way, at this point, I really do think the guy is making a mountain out of a moehill and for him to even suggest that he was going to "take action" was pretty laughable.
 
Plus it's ONE freakin' gun. Would the guy be pissed if chingon gave his gun away because that would mean one less customer?
 
I knew this was going to be trouble when I saw the link to the auction in the junkyard.

I do agree that the ebay seller is out of line, but I also agree with Matt... it does feel like you're trying to make some bank on the sale. This is of course your prerogative as owner of the piece.
 
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I knew this was going to be trouble when I saw the link to the auction in the junkyard.

I do agree that the ebay seller is out of line, but I also agree with Matt... it does feel like you're trying to make some bank on the sale. This is of course your prerogative as owner of the piece.
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I could see your point if I was selling it for more than I paid, but I'm not. I'm selling it for less. I seriously doubt I'll even get more than what I paid. Thats why I started the auction off at a lower price in the first place. Its not that I don't think the blaster is worth the price I paid, just that I don't think the average eBay shopper will pay the same price. Plus, $200 just sounded like a nice round number when I was listing it.
 
and how is the seller taking a 25 dollar hit by selling on rpf? doesn't ebay charge fees for selling? so he's not making a full 250 per gun.
 
I think thats darn silly. Once it is sold, there is no liability not to sell it at whatever price you want to. If he does not want you to undersell him, have him buy it back at full retail. if not, selling it at your loss is bad enough for you.
 
nick have anything to say here since he was the middle guy?

i'm sure he must've gotten a note by now

i dunno...i can see both sides though
 
Situation is resolved. I explained to the guy that I wasn't trying to undercut his sales and that I had no issues with the blaster itself. Also, since I was not aware of his money back guarantee, I told him that if he wanted to refund my full purchase price, then I would gladly remove the auction and send the blaster back to him. He responded with the folllowing:

Thank you for your response. I understand your situation, just leave it and if it does not sell I will Gladly refund you in full. Thank you.
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So, thanks for all the input up to this point. I'm glad everything worked out.
 
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