Accurized Backpk Update Feb10

carlart

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I know a bunch of you guys have been patiently waiting for me to get my head out of my ass and get going on this long awaited project. It seems there's never enough hours in the day to do this stuff, something always comes up. I had promised several of you that I would have this thing done in time for Halloween. It may indeed happen, but I've got to be honest, it'll be a friggin' miracle---even if Scott A. can lend me a hend with his hectic work schedule these days.

What set me back was a guy I work with who was supposed to help me create the frame and trays for the backpack out of bent styrene. Since I work in the retail display business, I have access to neat things like CAD driven routers, vacforming and heat bending of plastics. Well, the guy had a hernea that went critical on him in August and he's been laid up ever scince.

Last Saturday I finally said F it---and created the under structure and trays with foam core and hot glue as a stand in for the plastic versions. Since this will be a functional backpack like in the film, I had to literally build this thing from the inside out. That meant acquiring all of the Medpack tools and arranging them using screen caps as a guide. Once that was done, I knew exactly what the shape and outer dimensions of the trays would be. From that schematic I was able to construct the under structure seen in the photos below onto which clay would be applied. In the first photo you can see the tray assembly sits right inside the frame just like a cradle. This really is the best way to do this project, making an under structure skeleton that will give you the rough dimensions of the item you're sculpting rather than slapping on solid slabs of clay, adding unecessary weight to the thing. This way, you undersize the foam core under structure and apply clay to it which should be somewhere around an inch thick (I went a little too big on the skeleton in some areas-causing the clay to be a little thin in those spots).

You'll notice the backpack understructure is not quite finished, I have been focusing on Scott Andrew's torso armor. In laying out and measuring the backpack, I noticed Scott's torso armor curved up a little too high in the back, which would not have aligned properly with the backpack. It's funny, you never know how these things will turn out, I thought he had nailed it when I saw the sculpt in his basement last year. He had all of the same ref pix I have, the torso looked right on, yet each of the 2 louvered edges around the backside are about a 1/2" too shallow in depth---I never would have noticed this had I not started this project. I had to deepen these before starting the backpack.

So, I proceeded to cut off the lower section of Scott's torso armor, using features on it that form natural seam lines. I then hot glued some foam core together for the vertical ridge and slathered on my new shipment of Chavant medium NSP. I use a crock pot set on low, and it keeps the clay in a perfect liquid like state. Using a paint scraper, I troweled on the hot clay layer after layer, shaping it while it was still warm---saves time sculpting. Tonight I finally finished adding in all the details and smoothed it down with rubbing alcohol. Before I seal the clay and cover it with a membrane in preparation for continuing on to the backpack, I took a couple of photos.

As far as what the finished pieces will be, I'm thinking of a composite solution much like DB's. The bulk of the backpack will be latex skinned with a foam backing. The removable tray assembly will be resin, with latex/ foam or urethane rubber louvers attached. The torso extender seen in the photos below will be part of the kit when this project is done---made of latex and foam like the rest of the torso. The remainder including the gun platform, etc. will be resin. That's about it for now, thanks for looking. I will be updating this post as I progress---
carlart
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A miracle indeed, by Halloween, but well worth the wait considering the quality of the pieces you put out Carl. Looks like a great start. Hope your friend is back on his feet soon.
 
bout damn time .......... :D

carl it will be well worth the wait for those getting one.......

a new pack is much needed out there...
the same ol same ol has been on the market for years and i was never to crazy about them.


Andrew
 
My hump! My hump!! My lovely Preddie hump!!!

Okay...so it's not mine yet. But maybe someday, when Carl gets it finished and on the private market.

I love seeing your process, Carl.

It's gonna be a lovely hump!!


~DD
 
that looks bloody brilliant ,hope it turns out as good as it looks! sure it will having seen pics of your other projects :D
 
nice carl :D

now i hope this is numero uno project for you :eek:

look forward to watching this thred evolve.
 
Not all, Dan. I can picture the song from the Wizard of Oz with the words "If I only had some ambition....."
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Let this be a lesson to all on this forum, the ambition stealing monster may be invisible, but he's the "800 lb. gorilla in the room". He is the one obstacle standing between you and prop greatness. Oh yeah, almost forgot, there's also the invisible time stealing monster too, and then there's the...... :D
Thanks for the kudos, one and all.
 
Not all, Dan. I can picture the song from the Wizard of Oz with the words "If I only had some ambition....."
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Let this be a lesson to all on this forum, the ambition stealing monster may be invisible, but he's the "800 lb. gorilla in the room". He is the one obstacle standing between you and prop greatness. Oh yeah, almost forgot, there's also the invisible time stealing monster too, and then there's the...... :D
Thanks for the kudos, one and all.
I hear ya Carl, Ive had most of my suit parts for over a year now and I just dont know where the ambition to get it done went. Its like everyday I look at it and have all these great plans and I do nothing on it. Im at the point where Im looking for a completly finished suit watching ebay everyday too in hopes to find a nice one. But your doing a great job and I know what you do will be worth the wait.
 
"I hear ya Carl, Ive had most of my suit parts for over a year now and I just dont know where the ambition to get it done went. Its like everyday I look at it and have all these great plans and I do nothing on it."

I ran outta steam myself aways back. But I feel some motivation kicking in.
 
Here's a few more pix of this thing taking shape.
Ya know, I gotta say, sculpting this new item, having the Predator soundtrack playing, and a nice bottle of pumpkin ale to celebrate my favorite holiday, really puts me in my element. Nobody to aggravate you, just you and the clay.

BTW, I've changed my mind about making this as a composite. I have decided to make it all resin ----one big MF mold. What a slush casting delight that'll be!
One mold will be easier than one for latex, then one for resin, then... Still thinking about making the louvered fins on the top of the medpack out of urethane rubber. For those of you who've worn the DB pack as I have, that is the area that bears the brunt of bumps and bangs, so something with a little give is just what the doctor ordered.

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Here's a few more pix of this thing taking shape.
Ya know, I gotta say, sculpting this new item, having the Predator soundtrack playing, and a nice bottle of pumpkin ale to celebrate my favorite holiday, really puts me in my element. Nobody to aggravate you, just you and the clay.

BTW, I've changed my mind about making this as a composite. I have decided to make it all resin ----one big MF mold. What a slush casting delight that'll be!
One mold will be easier than one for latex, then one for resin, then... Still thinking about making the louvered fins on the top of the medpack out of urethane rubber. For those of you who've worn the DB pack as I have, that is the area that bears the brunt of bumps and bangs, so something with a little give is just what the doctor ordered.
It looked to me that Scott pretty much nailed it I can barely see what you did different to it. I hope this dont mean that the backpack wont fit the torso armors that are allready out there now mines glued to my suit and isnt comin off. I like that you decieded to pretty much go with a hallow resin for the most of it Im shure it will make not only the molding process easier but the painting process as well. Looking great so far but it allways does Carl.
 
None at all, Andy :D Thanks guys.

I have been in consultation with Scott on this, and Dwayne brings up a concern on the torso armor already out there that needs to be addressed:

Again, the new section I sculpted for the torso (first set of pix) is to correct the angle of the curvature where the torso wraps around the back. The new piece has a lower angle so that when the backpack is mounted, it intersects with the torso armor properly. This is not to say Scott's sculpt wasn't vunderbar--cuz it is! :lol: If the backpack had been sculpted along with it, the angle would have been corrected then and there. Trust me, when you're trying to sculpt stuff accurately, it's not easy to make stuff match when it's being done at 2 different times by 2 different people. Do not take this to mean that Scott's torso armor is not going to work with the backpack. IT WILL. If you notice, all of the photos posted show the thing being sculpted on top of a foam pull of his torso.

Scott has put torso orders on hold for now, because he is very busy with his day job. When he resumes, this "torso extension" retrofit piece will be included. It will be made the same way, latex skinned and foam backed. As you can you see by the first set of pix, cutting the original piece and attaching the extension is easy because it falls along certain edge contours making it easier to hide the seams. You don't have to modify the original torso if you don't want to in preparation for mounting the backpack. It is iincluded if you want to make the whole set up appear exactly as it does in the film, it's your choice.
 
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