Accuracy Question (Parks Sabers)

TridCloudwalker

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I was perusing the Parks Sabers website, and I came across the Anniversary Saber Kit, which is kits of Luke's, Vader's, and Obi-Wan's sabers from ANH. I love kits, the materials are quality, and the price is right, but I'm curious as to how accurate the reproductions are. Does anyone have any experiance with these kits?
 
I'll answer this gently. These kits (sans Graflex and plus Kobolds) came out and there was much interest. Parks took forever to actually ship these kits (some people are just now getting the Kobolds, and they went on sale it seems like...fall of 2004?) while selling kits at cons and stuff. He took the preorders and didn't bother to actually fill them while he was selling what stock he was getting.

Also, one of our own lent him an MPP and got it back after much effort, only to find that pieces of it had been replaced with replicas. This may not have been Jeff Park's fault, but his subsequent dealings with the MPP owner were pretty negative from Jeff Park's side. This led to some on the board to boycott Parks.

As far as accuracy, the sad thing about all of the above is that the Graflex and MPP are pretty damn accurate. Certainly the best that's been mass produced.

The Obi-wan has a steel grenade which is really nice, but the other pieces aren't particularly accurate. Roman isn't producing parts any more, so outside of individual runs, I guess Parks is just about the only game in town.


I don't mean to make it sound like he doesn't actually ship things, but what's now called the Anniversary Kit has a helluva of a troubled past.
 
When Parks made his kits, he based the Graflex and MPP replicas on real parts and as a result his graflex replica and MPP flashgun replica are pretty darn accurate and can be the basis for a very accurate lightsaber replica. However, the $450.00 price that Parks charges for the three sabers breaks down to $150.00 a piece and for that price you might be able to pick up a real graflex on ebay and an Parks MPP on e-bay for the same or less money. If I were you I might use a Parks MPP flashgun as the basis for a Darth Vader lightsaber (Since originals can go for anywhere between 300-600 USD), however, I would prefer to get a real Graflex off of e-bay since to me, a real antique is always better then a reproduction(And lately many graflexs have been selling on e-bay for less than $150.00). If you did use Parks' kit, I wouldn't personally use the grip material that he sells because the real stuff is readily available on the board from Saberfreak (However, the real stuff is more difficult to use so if your not up for a challenge, use the replica material) I also wouldn't use the d-ring holder that Parks supplies since it is innacurate. Also the bubble material that Parks uses has too many bubbles on Luke's and OWK's lightsaber, the bubble material on the center clamp had 7 bubble's Parks' has 8. Accurate Bubble strips and d-ring holders can be purchase from blast-tech.

Parks' OWK saber is overall very inncurate. He didn't have any of the real parts available (and didn't really care to invest the effort in producing a truely accurate replica) and as a result he scaled his replica from photo's and took a great deal of creative licence with his interpretation (but then again, so did MR). Although Parks' replica resembles OWK's lightsaber in a general sense, almost all of the dimensions are wrong.

If you want an easily built prop, you could do worse then buying a Parks replica (although I think it might be cheaper to buy them individually on e-bay). However, if you want a really accurate reproduction I would say build Luke's lightsaber from a real graflex, buy a Parks' MPP on e-bay, and hang around here long enough to acquire a really accurate OWK lightsaber piece by piece as very accurate parts emerge on the market (this has already begun to happen, and will continue in the coming months).
-Good Luck

Dan Stokes
DDStokes@aol.com
 
That is exactly the kind of info I was looking for and then some. Thank you all very much. I guess I should know better than thinking there's an easy way out to getting an authentic prop replica. :) Park's will probably get some business on bits and peices, but it looks like it's ebay-ho again.


Of course, if anyone out there sells affordable saber pieces (or pieces to any SW prop) shoot me a message. I'm always looking. I've just started constructing an all metal E-11. Gonna burn through a lot of Dremel cutting discs on this one.
 
All metal E-11? Cool. You should post some pics as you build it. I built up an all metal ROTJ E-11. It was a helluva lot of fun.
 
I have not dealt with Park's Sabers directly based on reports I've read on this and other forums. However, I have picked up a Parks Luke ANH and Obi ANH second hand through the Junk Yard. The Luke ANH is great, and I'm very pleased with it. The Obi ANH is better than nothing, but Roman's replica (if you can get it) seems to be MUCH more accurate. I snagged one when he annoinced he was getting out of production, but it has not arrived yet. I'll most likely be selling my Parks Obi ANH after my Roman's arrives and get it put together and weathered.
 
The USK was announced for preorder in February 2004, with delivery originally expected to be in July 2004.
I was in itbedave's bulk order in June 2004, and he got my OWK and MPP parts from Parks in December 2005.
I'm still waiting for two Kobolds.

The workmanship for the parts was some times shoddy:
* I had to rethread one of two grenade stems.
* There are ugly machine marks on the curved opening of my Graflex that I can not remove, because of the nickel plating over it.
There are also marks on the sides of the MPP side bars. They were also quite apparent in the grooves of the grenade before I filed those down.
* My two MPP shrouds were both not long enough. The two openings were not even cut at the same length and angle.
* The screw hole for the thumbscrew on one MPP shroud was drilled off-center and the threads on the thumbscrew are ugly.

There were also scuff marks inside a few parts and a few pieces bent and dent in shipping that Parks refused to replace.

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However, the $450.00 price that Parks charges for the three sabers breaks down to $150.00 a piece and for that price you might be able to pick up a real graflex on ebay and an Parks MPP on e-bay for the same or less money.
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The USK (OWK,MPP,Kobold) used to cost $225 and the Graflex replica $125. (when not ordered in bulk)
I have seen a few real Graflex flashes go on eBay in the last three months for just under $100.

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Parks' OWK saber is overall very inncurate. He didn't have any of the real parts available (and didn't really care to invest the effort in producing a truely accurate replica) and as a result he scaled his replica from photo's and took a great deal of creative licence with his interpretation (but then again, so did MR). Although Parks' replica resembles OWK's lightsaber in a general sense, almost all of the dimensions are wrong.
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This is not true for the grenade in the kit.
He used a real grenade as template, and I would say that the grenade in the kit is a very accurately reproduction -- of that grenade.
However, there are differences between the real grenade he used and the one used on the original prop.
Personally, I like that the grenade body is made of steel and that the pieces are tapped and threaded, interchangable with real parts.
Romans grenade body is made of aluminum and not threaded, but has a more accurate external shape.

Parks "gear" was for a time regarded as being the most accurate one, but it was never improved on. Romans gear has had two generations since then.

The biggest inaccuracies with the emitter and handwheel are that they are drilled and tapped for set screws used to fasten them onto the other pieces. The emitter is slightly undersized and have a few other inaccuracies but it can be "accurized" by hand a little bit making it just as accurate as the competition's pieces .. from 2004.
The handwheel is chromed aluminum, but has soft edges and looks wonky..
 
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All metal E-11? Cool. You should post some pics as you build it. I built up an all metal ROTJ E-11. It was a helluva lot of fun.
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Mine is going to be an ANH version, and there will be a couple resin parts (grip & Hengstler). I'd love to take pics of my progress, but unfortunately, I don't have a camera, save for the uber crappy one on my cell phone. And believe it or not, I don't know anyone who has one either. Maybe I'll snag a cheap one at Costco with my tax return.
 
Sorry, I did not see before that the OWK saber in the ASK has a new emitter. Better than the old one, steel not aluminum.
 
I met Parks at a con in Dallas a few years back he seemed like a good guy but right around then is when this all started happening. He's lost alot of favor in recent years for lots of reasons. His production order is questionable, the wait time is starting to seriously irritate people and the lack of updates on his site caused some to question if he was still in business.

I hope he can turn it around but there are alot of very unhappy people here due to the kits. There are always a few graflex on ebay and as for a OWK they do pop up in the junkyard from time to time, just keep an eye out and good luck.
 
Here's what I did with a banged up Parks Emitter...I just need to bevel down the widest edge.
It's the most accurate one I have right now...till the new one comes out...

Look familliar to anyone ;)


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Hah. Sporak. Did you do the epoxy thing?? Great job. Did you do it with 'cauls' to keep the epoxy from going into the holes or not so complicated?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Lars @ Feb 20 2007, 07:09 PM) [snapback]1422786[/snapback]</div>
The handwheel is chromed aluminum, but has soft edges and looks wonky..
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I've asked this in numerous other threads and never gotten a reply, so I'm singling you out. WTF does wonky mean?
 
Wonky... lopsided, not quite right, working but not perfect, etc...

That's how I use it. Ex. The OT Vader masks are wonky in terms of symmetry.
 
Not much to add to what has previously been said about the Parks replicas other than a few shots I did a while back comparing Parks (top), Romans (middle), and MR weathered (bottom) OWK sabers.

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Excellent pics MikeyX. Thanks for sharing :thumbsup

I can't wait for my roman's parts to arrive.....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RedTwoX @ Feb 22 2007, 02:31 PM) [snapback]1424218[/snapback]</div>
Excellent pics MikeyX. Thanks for sharing :thumbsup

I can't wait for my roman's parts to arrive.....
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No problem :)


Did you order one of the kits direct from Roman before Xmas? I am waiting on a couple of parts that I ordered from him back then before they all sold out - but I can't quite remember when they were going to ship.
 
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