AA case begins

SithLord said:
Well for me it was a matter of examining the helmets and seeing if there was something that might suggest he had the original molds...it wasn't about liking the guy or trusting him. But honestly, what odds were there that he was lying? The guy who fabricated the original costumes...??? Well he did lie and if a crew member from ANH who made such recognizable costumes could do that, who can we trust? In the back of my mind I always thought what if someone else from the crew came along and offered to make props for us (I'm sure names come to mind)? He or she would read what was happening to AA here (by that I mean long before the complaint by LFL) and we'd never hear from any crew member ever again because of the behavior of some on this forum. It had nothing to do with liking AA or cheering him on. But many here had something personal against AA and it really came through in their posts. The forum was presented with a unique opportunity to give feedback on the products being developed by a former ANH crew member (albeit not under contract or license). People here weren't saying we must not contribute to this unlicensed dealer, or it's unethical, they said "bring it on" "let's see more". Then the complaint came out and people were saying "oh he had it coming" and "oh LFL is going to fry his butt over a skittle and then invert his epidermis and set it out to dry"....and the fanmade helmet/armor makers became very quiet then because if it was happening to AA, it could happen to them. Even recently there's been talk that once LFL is finished with AA, LFL will pursue the other known unlicensed helmet/armor makers. Rumor? Well it's all lot of drama if you ask me. All I was interested in was whether he had original molds or not and whether the helmets reflected that, not whether he's an upstanding guy because who can tell? Just because I had hopes he had original molds didn't mean I believed everything he said. Even with what we know now, and how he might have used the clay sculpts, the question is still on my mind what kind of molds does he have and where did they come from? Where are all the other helmets coming from? Just because I want to know doesn't mean I believe he has them....he might but as I've said 4 billion times...we don't know for sure if he does or if he doesn't...that's a simple objective view.
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That's a lot of dancing around the issue of him NOT having the molds that you believed he had. All of the photo "evidence" you posted only served to prove the point to me, and others, that his stuff was not original. For example, every ear comparison you did showed all of the SDS stuff was a far cry from original.

Are you posting hearsay about the other people's involvement with Ainsworth or actual fact? I think people wanted to see him skewered on a spit and slow roasted because he brought unnecessary attention to the hobby with his blind arrogance. I've said it before, if he would have just said "Hey, I'm the guy who was solely responsible for the assembly of these pieces" and stayed his dumb self underground, he probably would have a lot more respect. He would not have been able to dupe people into thinking he had the original molds, but he would have had the point of being the key assembler involved.

It's just funny to me how some of his supporters now say "Oh, I didn't like the guy or not" when I remember threads where it was discussed how likeable the guy was to speak with.
 
Qui-Gonzalez said:
That's a lot of dancing around the issue of him NOT having the molds that you believed he had. All of the photo "evidence" you posted only served to prove the point to me, and others, that his stuff was not original. For example, every ear comparison you did showed all of the SDS stuff was a far cry from original.

Are you posting hearsay about the other people's involvement with Ainsworth or actual fact? I think people wanted to see him skewered on a spit and slow roasted because he brought unnecessary attention to the hobby with his blind arrogance. I've said it before, if he would have just said "Hey, I'm the guy who was solely responsible for the assembly of these pieces" and stayed his dumb self underground, he probably would have a lot more respect. He would not have been able to dupe people into thinking he had the original molds, but he would have had the point of being the key assembler involved.

It's just funny to me how some of his supporters now say "Oh, I didn't like the guy or not" when I remember threads where it was discussed how likeable the guy was to speak with.
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Go ahead and quote me saying that then.

What other people's involvement? What are you talking about?

I'm talking about how the forum reacted to his new products initially. I'm talking about what people were posting, not who was involved with him. Read what I wrote.

And the ear comparison clearly shows there were straighter ears, and ears trimmed differently. The court case doesn't change that fact, nor how much AA likes to lie. Nor the interior details which you conveniently ignore. There's a difference between defending AA and just looking at the helmets and trying to find out what they are. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. So sue me.

I know what he should have done.

So are you also upset he brought attention to the unlicensed producers of the hobby?

Anyway I made my point....drag it through the mud if you enjoy doing that. This is getting old like two years ago...
 
Qui-Gonzalez said:
That's a lot of dancing around the issue of him NOT having the molds that you believed he had. All of the photo "evidence" you posted only served to prove the point to me, and others, that his stuff was not original. For example, every ear comparison you did showed all of the SDS stuff was a far cry from original.

Are you posting hearsay about the other people's involvement with Ainsworth or actual fact? I think people wanted to see him skewered on a spit and slow roasted because he brought unnecessary attention to the hobby with his blind arrogance. I've said it before, if he would have just said "Hey, I'm the guy who was solely responsible for the assembly of these pieces" and stayed his dumb self underground, he probably would have a lot more respect. He would not have been able to dupe people into thinking he had the original molds, but he would have had the point of being the key assembler involved.

It's just funny to me how some of his supporters now say "Oh, I didn't like the guy or not" when I remember threads where it was discussed how likeable the guy was to speak with.
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Exactly what I have been noticing as well. The supporters that used to the best spin doctors for AA are now changing their stories. It would be interesting to see the original posts from 2 years ago when this whole thing started.
 
Skaught said:
To date, I have no idea what people are arguing about on this subject.

Scott
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Short synopsis is this: Andrew Ainsworth claimed to be the sole creator of the stormtrooper as we know him today. He also claimed that the helmets he was selling through Shepperton Design Studios were all crafted from original molds, which he was the sole sculptor of. He thumbed his nose when LFL sent him a Cease and Desist order. LFL then took him to court in the states. Ainsworth defaulted on the case, the judge here awarded LFL a settlement. Ainsworth basically wanted to bring the case to the UK, where he thought he could win. He did not win. We are now all waiting to hear how far over the coals Ainsworth will be raked.
 
Qui-Gonzalez said:
Short synopsis is this: Andrew Ainsworth claimed to be the sole creator of the stormtrooper as we know him today. He also claimed that the helmets he was selling through Shepperton Design Studios were all crafted from original molds, which he was the sole sculptor of. He thumbed his nose when LFL sent him a Cease and Desist order. LFL then took him to court in the states. Ainsworth defaulted on the case, the judge here awarded LFL a settlement. Ainsworth basically wanted to bring the case to the UK, where he thought he could win. He did not win. We are now all waiting to hear how far over the coals Ainsworth will be raked.
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When was the verdict given ? did i miss it ?
 
Qui... I kinda thought Skaught's post was meant as sarcastic... could be wrong though.

Well, the even shorter version is: grown men beating their chests saying ROARG.
 
clutch said:
I have better pictures of those stormtrooper robots in one of my son's books. I just assumed those were created after Star Wars. Are they pre-Star Wars!!??
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Yes, indeed they are.

As well as the design for the Tim Burton first model Batmobile. The one that Michael Keaton drove was designed directly off of one of the "Speedy Wheels" series plastic toy cars available as a cereal premium toy from Rice Honeys Cereal back in the late 1960's or early 1970's.

But the whole toy robot thing really makes me laugh. Especially when you consider that one of the specifics of the "Star Wars versus Battlestar Galactica" court case (which WAS won by Universal Studios, BTW) was the HAIRSTYLES of Galactica being too similar to the hairstyles in Star Wars!

I guess it all just comes down to how litigious you want to be in the end. If you go around suing everybody for everything, you're bound to have the courts put you in your place sooner or later. But the legal profession is a paranoiac one anyway...

-Gordon
 
spcglider@aol.com said:
Yes, indeed they are.

As well as the design for the Tim Burton first model Batmobile. The one that Michael Keaton drove was designed directly off of one of the "Speedy Wheels" series plastic toy cars available as a cereal premium toy from Rice Honeys Cereal back in the late 1960's or early 1970's.

But the whole toy robot thing really makes me laugh. Especially when you consider that one of the specifics of the "Star Wars versus Battlestar Galactica" court case (which WAS won by Universal Studios, BTW) was the HAIRSTYLES of Galactica being too similar to the hairstyles in Star Wars!

I guess it all just comes down to how litigious you want to be in the end. If you go around suing everybody for everything, you're bound to have the courts put you in your place sooner or later. But the legal profession is a paranoiac one anyway...

-Gordon
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I think we've already dismissed that tidbit about the robots being pre-SW.
 
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