AA case begins

[Onigiri]

:rolleyes

Yup...eloquent...and appropriate. Petulant child gets scolded and rolls eyes.
I hear theres a new board opening....www.justgino.com
membership is limited
Justice Mann is my fav new Superhero...if I ever have a son thats going to be his name...Justice Mann.
AA will prob end UP in AA by the time this is said and done. Im pretty sure that AA would be incapable of paying even the LEAST of any Judgement LFL will win so it will be interesting to see teh final verdict. Is penalty phase seperate or is it all done at teh same time in the UK.

 

[GINO]

I don't want to distract from the topic at hand any further, so agree to disagree.

Back on topic, and with approval from the RPF staff, here are the photos posted by Brian Muir.

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

BTW Derbycrash, posting that screengrab displaying Jumpin Jax's (read TE's) rampant mistruth's about me being AA's salesman only serves to further widen an already agressive and OT thread!

So it's lunchtime in the UK, any word on the outcome of the trial? How much in damages will be paid, etc.?

Qui, My understanding of civil cases like this is that they don't run like a criminal hearing. Both sides will need to sum up before the Judge then goes away for a period to deliberate (typically 4-6 weeks?) before issuing his verdict. So anyone expecting a quick "slam dunk" is going to have to wait a wee while yet.

Cheers

Jez

 

[Darbycrash]

BTW Derbycrash, posting that screengrab displaying Jumpin Jax's (read TE's) rampant mistruth's about me being AA's salesman only serves to further widen an already agressive and OT thread!



Qui, My understanding of civil cases like this is that they don't run like a criminal hearing. Both sides will need to sum up before the Judge then goes away for a period to deliberate (typically 4-6 weeks?) before issuing his verdict. So anyone expecting a quick "slam dunk" is going to have to wait a wee while yet.

Cheers

Jez

Jez my apologies on that. After being told I lied about the helmet being purchased at a discount. I had no choice but to show that screen grab of that particular post.

 

[cking]

AMAZING and very revealing photo showing Lucas with the Trooper sculpt! FINALLY, we're able to see the original sculpt.

On a sidenote, I think it's a real shame that Brian Muir hasn't felt comfortable joining up here. It would be fantastic to have such an artist here to discuss the part that he played in the creation of Vader etc!

Chris

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

AMAZING and very revealing photo showing Lucas with the Trooper sculpt! FINALLY, we're able to see the original sculpt.

On a sidenote, I think it's a real shame that Brian Muir hasn't felt comfortable joining up here. It would be fantastic to have such an artist here to discuss the part that he played in the creation of Vader etc!

Chris

I just wonder how much of the straight the straight, unbiased dope about the RPF Brian Muir is getting. I mean hell, If Don Bies felt okay joining us, how bad can we be? We are the board that basically started it all.

 

[Clutch]

Before everyone cries foul, I was told personally by Brian Muir that he did not mind if the pictures were shown.

Edit - call me Daffy

 

[KevVader]

Before everyone cries fowl, I was told personally by Brian Muir that he did not mind if the pictures were shown.

DUCK!

...sorry, needed some levity in this thread!

 

[tk1780]

Before everyone cries fowl, I was told personally by Brian Muir that he did not mind if the pictures were shown.

In the hopes that "Brian Muir" reads this, I would also offer up a chair and say come on in and join the crowd. Would love to have your insite and advice or anything else you may want to contribute. Would be a hearty hand shake / pat on the back kind of thing. Very much hoping you will take that plunge one day to join us sir ! :thumbsup

 

[erikstormtrooper]

I've been quietly watching these AA threads with interest.

It's a real shame that Lucasfilm didn't give AA a license. All of his dishonesty would have just been swept under the rug, along with the "white lies" of Don Post, Rubies, MR, etc. AA's claims don't strike me as that outrageous compared to other prop companies. And we're used to hearing it.

What Lucasfilm wants and what the prop fans want are two different things. Lucasfilm wants their cut, and they don't give a rats ass who has the original molds. Prop fans really don't care about Lucasfilm's licensing, they just want accurate props, and what could be better than trooper armor from the original molds?

AA managed to give neither group what they wanted. There are no winners here.

It's also sad that it took 30 years to find out the roles that Liz Moore and Brian Muir had in the creation of the stormtrooper. THIRTY YEARS! Don't get me wrong, it's great to finally have this information, but it never should have taken that long. And it only came out as a result of this case. I am not impressed by Lucasfilm's tendency to keep information from their fans.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

I've been quietly watching these AA threads with interest.

It's a real shame that Lucasfilm didn't give AA a license. All of his dishonesty would have just been swept under the rug, along with the "white lies" of Don Post, Rubies, MR, etc. AA's claims don't strike me as that outrageous compared to other prop companies. And we're used to hearing it.

What Lucasfilm wants and what the prop fans want are two different things. Lucasfilm wants their cut, and they don't give a rats ass who has the original molds. Prop fans really don't care about Lucasfilm's licensing, they just want accurate props, and what could be better than trooper armor from the original molds?

AA managed to give neither group what they wanted. There are no winners here.

It's also sad that it took 30 years to find out the roles that Liz Moore and Brian Muir had in the creation of the stormtrooper. THIRTY YEARS! Don't get me wrong, it's great to finally have this information, but it never should have taken that long. And it only came out as a result of this case. I am not impressed by Lucasfilm's tendency to keep information from their fans.

People have known Brian Muir's input for some time. Liz Moore's work on the trooper went unknown because, if I recall what Mr. Muir said, she sculpted it outside of the studio, so he had no idea where it came from.

 

[mverta]

Odd...

 

[CSMacLaren]

i have to be honest here, i really dont care about the 'history' being faught out on this thread. i may only have registered recently but i have been an avid RPF visitor for some time and for a collective of very intelligent and creative people you can all be really immature and dumb sometimes *ducks for cover*
step back, re-evaluate, deep breath and.......relax.
just remember, you're all healthy and nobody has slandered your Mum so chill out and lets get back on topic.
please

Well said. Words of wisdom. :thumbsup

 

[lonepigeon]

Actually, those photos he posted fall under internet fair use.
And based on all the discussion(wars) that took place HERE on the RPF, I think it is only fitting that those pics be shown here, which ethically and legally have every right to be.
Ask yourself, why wouldn't anyone want those photos distributed on the worlds largest most publicly viewed prop site? Or any other for that matter? Those photos represent something larger to this community.

Here is the letter of the law on the matter.
http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL31423.pdf

Just because something is posted on the internet it does not fall under fair use especially when posted on a private forum. The document you posted even supports that.

Clutch has since said that Brian Muir doesn't mind the reposting so I guess it's a moot point now.

 

[CSMacLaren]

Actually, those photos he posted fall under internet fair use.
And based on all the discussion(wars) that took place HERE on the RPF, I think it is only fitting that those pics be shown here, which ethically and legally have every right to be.
Ask yourself, why wouldn't anyone want those photos distributed on the worlds largest most publicly viewed prop site? Or any other for that matter? Those photos represent something larger to this community.

Here is the letter of the law on the matter.
http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL31423.pdf

:rolleyes

Letter of the law my ass.

GINO got banned from The Prop Den for elitism, bullying and trolling people's threads and turning the place into a hostile atmosphere. Shortly after he gets banned, Brian Muir becomes a member and shares openly.

So given this eye-rolling as well as putdowns of the Den, it just makes it blatantly obvious he used Muir's image for advancing his own prestige as the first one to post the images on RPF and TDH.

If it hurts Muir, he doesn't care. If it causes Muir to be turned off to future forum participation -- especially on the Den -- then it's a little scorched earth policy goes a long way.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Letter of the law my ass.

GINO got banned from The Prop Den for elitism, bullying and trolling people's threads and turning the place into a hostile atmosphere. Shortly after he gets banned, Brian Muir becomes a member and shares openly.

So given this eye-rolling as well as putdowns of the Den, it just makes it blatantly obvious he used Muir's image for advancing his own prestige as the first one to post the images on RPF and TDH.

If it hurts Muir, he doesn't care. If it causes Muir to be turned off to future forum participation -- especially on the Den -- then it's a little scorched earth policy goes a long way.

Umm...since Brian Muir gave the OK to post these images here, do you really need to bring this back up? We all here know who was the first to post those images, and it was Brian Muir, as was stated many pages back, so how can anyone outside of Mr. Muir claim credit?

One person CANNOT turn an entire message board into a "hostile atmosphere", as I have told you privately. It's real easy to ignore someone's post if you do not like them. Let it go, man. The guy did not ruin your life, so this is small potatoes.

 

[SithLord]

I don't want to distract from the topic at hand any further, so agree to disagree.

Back on topic, and with approval from the RPF staff, here are the photos posted by Brian Muir.

It is not up to the RPF staff. You posted it here without asking Brian's permission because you were banned from TPD. Just because he was gracious enough to say it's ok once the damage was already done doesn't correct the disrespect you showed him. None of the conditions in that legal document apply here. Just more sour grapes...if you can't participate on TPD you take whatever you can from there and post it here without giving any credit. I have yet to see you provide any original knowledge or information here. All you do is take.

 

[Art Andrews]

Why is this still an issue now that 3 different copies of this image have been made available, at least one which was not sourced from Brian Muir? Brian has even stated to the RPF admins that he didn't care so this is really looking like just another opportunity for the anti-Gino crowd to get some more free shots in...

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

...so this is really looking like just another opportunity for the anti-Gino crowd to get some more free shots in...

DINGDINGDINGDING!! WINNAH!! A winnah everytime, ladies and gents!

 

[R2B9]

"I am not impressed by Lucasfilm's tendency to keep information from their fans."

THE FOLLOWING IS MY OPINION. WHETHER YOU CHOOSE TO AGREE IS YOUR CHOICE.

oh, I have to wipe my monitor off now, it's covered with incredulously spewn coffee! The vast majority of the hardcore members of this forum live and die by "I found this information out, I'm not telling you what model part was used on the unseen ass-end of this (insert prop here) project!!"

Don't get me wrong, y'all do amazing work, often equal to the best in the biz, but for the most part, unless there is a chance to make profit off of your brothers here, the idea of sharing information is completely alien.

Case in point: Studio Scale Y-wing project. The freakin' Manhattan Project wasn't that secretive!

Greater things can be accomplished through open sharing of information, in shorter time. Secrecy only impedes progress. We all want our stuff to be perfect. It's all replicas, so why not go Open Source with the info?

Only two things come to mind as might be the reasons: Paranoia and greed. Neither will do anything to make the replica prop world a better place.