AA case begins

[exoray]

Unfortunately we had people like you and a few others deflecting and muddying up the situation just because you didn't/don't like TE or Gino and would do anything to attack them.

Lets not forget some of the key avid supports were in fact "compensated" for their allegiances in one form or another... Given select opportunities to acquire discounted or low numbered swag, providing website work and PR work in exchange for compensation hardly an impartial audience...

I will give honors to those who openly admit they were taken in but once they realized the gig backed out... Others still continue to grasp straws, and I can't help but fell some ill towards them...

 

[Art Andrews]

But this is nothing new. The day I joined jhyphen was in a war with guyraz (long before the pedophile thing) and there were polarized sides then... I'll bet there were others before that. And there have been nothing but a string of others since then.

While many like to claim they are all about "community" most here aren't. They have their little cliques that secretly plot and scheme and attempt to undermine others. People have even gone as far as creating new boards or "communities" so they can run things the way they want or create a place where they can dictate and play favorites with their friends... Community? No.. not really. A collective of people with a similar interest is more like it.

I understand your frustration with it, but this is how this board has always been. It has always been factions and infighting. To hope that everyone is some day going to hold hands and sing peace to the prop world is a pipe dream. This is how it is. This is how it will always be. As long as their is pride and greed, ego and a desire to be better than others... this is how the board will always be.

That's exactly my point.

THIS is supposed to be a community, lots of people call it that.

But right here in this thread people are calling for others to eat crow, because they had an OPINION on how things would go. That's no way to build a community.

Nobody here knew the answers or ALL the details of this whole AA affair. Nobody

What we do see at the end here is who will call for others heads and who won't.

Some are here to just agrue and "be right". Props be damned.

 

[GINO]

Here's the pics of the sculpt. Is that AA in the background?

Images removed. Brian Muir provided them and has stated that these were not to be reposted.

 

[micdavis]

But this is nothing new. The day I joined jhyphen was in a war with guyraz (long before the pedophile thing) and there were polarized sides then... I'll bet there were others before that. And there have been nothing but a string of others since then.

While many like to claim they are all about "community" most here aren't. They have their little cliques that secretly plot and scheme and attempt to undermine others. People have even gone as far as creating new boards or "communities" so they can run things the way they want or create a place where they can dictate and play favorites with their friends... Community? No.. not really. A collective of people with a similar interest is more like it.

I understand your frustration with it, but this is how this board has always been. It has always been factions and infighting. To hope that everyone is some day going to hold hands and sing peace to the prop world is a pipe dream. This is how it is. This is how it will always be. As long as their is pride and greed, ego and a desire to be better than others... this is how the board will always be.

Thanks. Yes that IS how it IS. And this type of thread proves it.

It doesn't have to be that way but it definitely IS.

That's all I was saying.

 

[atacpdx]

Ironically though, I suspect had it gone the other way, there would be AA supporters now saying that the anti-AA folks needed to eat crow. So there are no clean hands here. Just fights. The anti crowd needs to be gracious in victory and the pro crowd need to eat their crow. Then everyone needs to move on. It won't happen that way, but that would be the adult way.

 

[SithLord]

Yes AA was contacted, and yes it sparked AA to produce on his own. But AGAIN it was the same individuals who came forward and said "wait a minute, this isn't screen accurate by a long shot".

So what is your point defstar?

Not to answer for Defstar, but you don't see the point?

AA was competition, pure and simple, because he turned them down. It had nothing to do with higher moral standards or ethics. I foresee that in the end the hobby will suffer because certain individuals believe they have a monopoly on TK armor and they will do anything to maintain that monopoly.

 

[SithLord]

Please stop being so dramatic. It has nothing to do with hate, your deflecting yet again.

If you think all this is just about "the attitude of how people attacked him from day one just because he was making TK stuff" then you really do not have a clue.

He wasn't attacked because he made trooper armor. There was room in the community for everyone to sell their wares, if anything it would have lowered prices. More competition, better deals for the consumer. I have suits from more than one maker, I have no alliances.

BS. The deals were broken and that's when the backstabbing began. The attempts at deals were made, fact. Their motto seems to be if you are not with us, you are against us. There is no room in this hobby for another ultra-accurate TK helmet. If BA started making copies of his helmet do you think the same anti-SDS group would welcome him with open arms? Give me a break.

He was questioned about why what he made from the supposed original undamage molds didn't match.

Questioned by people like me who purchased this resculpted recast innacurate rip off.

All valid questions, but his motives were insinuated from the beginning without proof. And if he made the originals, how could it be a recast?

And if you were following from the beginning you would recall that the people complaining first were not the other trooper makers, it was us trooper fanatics that KNEW something was wrong the minute we got our helmets.

I followed it even before it came onto the RPF. So you saw inaccuracies, big deal. You seem to forget the efforts made to help AA improve the helmets all courtesy of RPF members who gave themselves a pat on the back at the time.

It wasn't until later the other TK makers saw what we saw and knew something was wrong.

No, they were looking for something to incriminate AA, anything. And they found it and took it to LFL. So we can all be thankful for their foresight and contribution to the hobby. I think I'll do the same for the TK helmets makers here.

We ALL, not just the TK makers tried to warn everyone when we were getting conflicting stories and the run around.

Unfortunately we had people like you and a few others deflecting and muddying up the situation just because you didn't/don't like TE or Gino and would do anything to attack them.

Ya right. You have no idea the kinds of principles I was trying to defend here on behalf of the hobby. And I was defending AA long before it was found out that TE had betrayed the hobby, and you still support someone like TE.

And guess what, looks like we were right all along and yeah the hobby will be better for it.

With a statement like that it's clear you have no idea what's in store for the future of the hobby...

Thats what you get for lying to the ME, the prop collecting community, LFL and the courts.

In case you need reminding this is a prop forum, not a court room.

I'm well within my rights to discuss my point of view whether it deals with a stormtrooper helmet's accuracy or lack thereof, or of a legal case dealing with a stormtrooper helmet maker. If the legal discussions bother you then there are plenty of prop threads to enjoy here.

 

[Zenwalker]

My prediction about 'the hobby'. LFL is going to be super alert to all underground activity now after all the BS and money they sunk into dealing with AA. Then they're going to flood the market with substandard TK wares till the cows come home. They already have a lot of this lined up for market. If I was them that's what I would do. Good luck to you all!

 

[AnsonJames]

Zenwalker is correct.

AA not has not only told lies, he's put the spotlight on our hobby.
George Lucas will definitely keep a closer eye on the unlicensed items being produced.

We're going to see a lot less fan made Star Wars items after this, it's a shame because as a rule they're a lot more accurate than the licensed products.

It is great to know Liz Moore sculpted the trooper helmet but it's also true to say nobody wins here except for LFL.

 

[exoray]

Ainsworth laid claim to 'designing' several of the helmets. In his statement he stated that he made the helmets and John Mollo then drew them afterwards.

As those of you know who have met John he is extremely talented and a real gentleman. He had to endure 2 days in the witness box being questioned on his honesty.

Realising his grave error in putting John's honesty into question Ainsworth changed his statement the following day. We watched Ainsworth being cross examined about this and the example of the Outlander helmet was brought into it. Ainsworth stated that he had no drawings from John but that they were both artists and John was a good communicator. The barrister asked how he had communicated and Ainsworth intimated that it was by telepathy

After a lot of squirming and intervention from the judge he finally conceded that he must have had a drawing.

As you are now becoming aware Ainsworth has sullied more than my reputation.

What a class act AA is, telepathy? :confused :confused :confused

 

[geordietrooper]

this is from todays hearing

COMPANIES COURT
RE A Company

COURT 52
Before MR JUSTICE MANN
Tuesday, 22 April 2008
At half past 10
Robed
TRIAL LIST
TLC 241/07 Lucasfilm Ltd v Ainsworth & ors Pt Hd

anybody know who ( & ors Pt Hd ) is ?? doh would it be his legal team ??

 

[Onigiri]

I...am...MR JUSTICE MAN!!!! *trumpets* ...how cool a name is that?
Well AA turned out not only to be a POS but from the sounds of hes a freakin loon. He attacked John Mollos credibility...infringed on George...assaulted Brian's credibility...and laid claim to Liz Moore's work. He is either pathological, delusional or sociopathic..perhaps all three...but on a bright note it seems he is telepathic Crushed by his own hubris (to which he has teh original molds...that he sculpted himself...after receiving the image telepathically...and fettleing the tumbledrome...)
*raises a glass to Liz Moore*
"Thank you, Liz, for the Stormtroopers...your legacy is now known to us and will be remembered,"

 

[AnsonJames]

I...am...MR JUSTICE MAN!!!! *trumpets* ...how cool a name is that?
Well AA turned out not only to be a POS but from the sounds of hes a freakin loon. He attacked John Mollos credibility...infringed on George...assaulted Brian's credibility...and laid claim to Liz Moore's work. He is either pathological, delusional or sociopathic..perhaps all three...but on a bright note it seems he is telepathic Crushed by his own hubris (to which he has teh original molds...that he sculpted himself...after receiving the image telepathically...and fettleing the tumbledrome...)
*raises a glass to Liz Moore*
"Thank you, Liz, for the Stormtroopers...your legacy is now known to us and will be remembered,"

Well said!

 

[Apollo]

Well looks like the truth is finally out.

I hope AA is left wearing a card-board box! :lol

 

[Lord Abaddon]

But this is nothing new. The day I joined jhyphen was in a war with guyraz (long before the pedophile thing) and there were polarized sides then... I'll bet there were others before that. And there have been nothing but a string of others since then.

While many like to claim they are all about "community" most here aren't. They have their little cliques that secretly plot and scheme and attempt to undermine others. People have even gone as far as creating new boards or "communities" so they can run things the way they want or create a place where they can dictate and play favorites with their friends... Community? No.. not really. A collective of people with a similar interest is more like it.

I understand your frustration with it, but this is how this board has always been. It has always been factions and infighting. To hope that everyone is some day going to hold hands and sing peace to the prop world is a pipe dream. This is how it is. This is how it will always be. As long as their is pride and greed, ego and a desire to be better than others... this is how the board will always be.

Well said Brak's, well said.

I do think though that it still is a "community" and like any community you have sophomoric people jumping up and down going "nyah nyah", "losers!", "told you so", "gotcha!", etc. because "their side" won.

Best to just walk around them, like the bullies on the playground or the guys hanging around the bars all the time, and go on with how you feel, your opinions, and enjoy the hobby.

 

[DARKSIDE72]

AA was competition, pure and simple, because he turned them down. It had nothing to do with higher moral standards or ethics. I foresee that in the end the hobby will suffer because certain individuals believe they have a monopoly on TK armor and they will do anything to maintain that monopoly.

That's a truly lame argument Thomas. Gino is and always has been as low key as anyone can get. Matt is the same way. Neither have advertised, made bold web sites, advertised in magazines, showed up at conventions with full tables of wares etc. AA painted a bulls eye directly on his forehead.

So what if they were turned down. Neither had seen what AA had, it was all talk between the parties. Once AA revealed what he had it was obvious he lied about the molds. The questions were asked by the community, spearheaded by TE and Gino. And who better to do so. You with your craptacular, headache inducing comparisons showing nothing time and again? Or people who own or have owned the real props?

TE left the board because he was trying to let people know the truth but the so called wanna-be snob elitests bashed him at every opportunity.
Did LFL contact him, yep they sure did. If I recall it was Sansweet initially. What was he going to do, try and help AA? Yea right:lol AA had already hung himself with his flaunting.

Ethics? Who lied to the public from the get go? (The same lies told to TE and Gino) Who changed their website to cover up those lies? Who recast MR's stand? Who recast GF's armor? Who made up all these stories and stole a dead persons prop legacy? Who was stupid enough to think he could thumb his nose at LFL? It was all Andrew Ainsworth who thought 30 years had gone by and no one would remember or care about the facts.
He thought he could fabricate whatever story and wares he wanted and get away with it.
He's a POS re-caster, thief, and liar at best and LFL took him down. How can anyone defend that?

 

[Onigiri]

Actually Mike thats NOT what I see. Suprisingly enough I dont see a lot of NYAH NYAH directed at individuals (other then AA himself). I see some folks still trying to find some way of defending him or of redirecting attention at others. Now with AA in the sack its become a "well what about Gino and TE theyre just as bad" argument. For that I say start a seperate thread. THIS thread is about AA. He is a proven slime ball REGARDLESS of how anyone feels about anyone else good or bad. Its like when everyone was getting on Joeys case on FRIENDS about being in a porno and then he shouts out "Chandlers got a third nipple" to get everyone going somewhere else. This isnt about Gino, TE, GF et al. Its about what a low life piece of POND (probably made by AA) scum. Im not nya nyaing anyone who supported him PRIOR to all this but woe be to anyone who continues to be an AA apologist or to try and misdirect away from this...I dont want any Hillarys all of teh sudden saying "I didnt vote for the war"....lol

Well said Brak's, well said.

I do think though that it still is a "community" and like any community you have sophomoric people jumping up and down going "nyah nyah", "losers!", "told you so", "gotcha!", etc. because "their side" won.

Best to just walk around them, like the bullies on the playground or the guys hanging around the bars all the time, and go on with how you feel, your opinions, and enjoy the hobby.

 

[Darbycrash]

Actually Mike thats NOT what I see. Suprisingly enough I dont see a lot of NYAH NYAH directed at individuals (other then AA himself). I see some folks still trying to find some way of defending him or of redirecting attention at others. Now with AA in the sack its become a "well what about Gino and TE theyre just as bad" argument. For that I say start a seperate thread. THIS thread is about AA. He is a proven slime ball REGARDLESS of how anyone feels about anyone else good or bad. Its like when everyone was getting on Joeys case on FRIENDS about being in a porno and then he shouts out "Chandlers got a third nipple" to get everyone going somewhere else. This isnt about Gino, TE, GF et al. Its about what a low life piece of POND (probably made by AA) scum. Im not nya nyaing anyone who supported him PRIOR to all this but woe be to anyone who continues to be an AA apologist or to try and misdirect away from this...I dont want any Hillarys all of teh sudden saying "I didnt vote for the war"....lol

You hit it right on the mark Onigiri:thumbsup.

 

[Lord Abaddon]

Actually Mike thats NOT what I see. Suprisingly enough I dont see a lot of NYAH NYAH directed at individuals (other then AA himself). I see some folks still trying to find some way of defending him or of redirecting attention at others. Now with AA in the sack its become a "well what about Gino and TE theyre just as bad" argument. For that I say start a seperate thread. THIS thread is about AA. He is a proven slime ball REGARDLESS of how anyone feels about anyone else good or bad. Its like when everyone was getting on Joeys case on FRIENDS about being in a porno and then he shouts out "Chandlers got a third nipple" to get everyone going somewhere else. This isnt about Gino, TE, GF et al. Its about what a low life piece of POND (probably made by AA) scum. Im not nya nyaing anyone who supported him PRIOR to all this but woe be to anyone who continues to be an AA apologist or to try and misdirect away from this...I dont want any Hillarys all of teh sudden saying "I didnt vote for the war"....lol

Actually Don I'm not talking about you. You've been clear on your focus against AA but if you read some of the posts prior you'll see the attacks are clearly the "nyah nyah" kind pointed directly at those who hoped AA was he claimed. And while I am one of those I have no intention of misdirection (besides, I've had my say about all that long before). I'm interested to find out the conclusion of this and just what he has or has not lied about and what is interpretation by others and just how far his involvement went.

 

[tk1780]

Man, reading tis is like watching a bad car wreck. Your horified by what
is going on but unable to pull your eyes away from it. I have no doubt that AA will not / can not win this, but I have to admit some of the things I am hearing / reading were real shockers.

For some reason I dont think the " shocks " are over with either, more likly to follow. :unsure