32 inch ESB Millennium Falcon

[bwise]

Oh, and while I'm at it. Also on the cockpit side outer mandible wall, about midway between part A29 from the Su-85 kit and the horizontal grills parts A3 & A4 from the same kit is a half circular plate with 5 bolts and a central raised bump, runs about half the mandible wall in height, know the one I mean? You can see it sort of in one of Moe's pics.

http://www.m-moeslund.dk/Photos-falcon-big/gearbox-rightsidebig.JPG


Anyway it looks to me like it could be from the Tamiya KV-1 or KV1B kits, but the central dimple may not be pronounced enough to match, I don't have those kits yet. Can anybody confirm or deny this one? Thanks again.

Bill

 

[Clerval]

Just out of curiosity... those of you who are sticklers in doing this as the studio scale model actually looks... are you also going to put the signatures of the model builders on her...? I know, screwed up question, but it's late, etc etc etc.

 

[bwise]

Not me. I just want it to look the falcon.
Exactly like the falcon

 

[boatbuilder1]

question how many differant parts / kits went into making those tranny and gear box things from the looks in the chronicles book it seems at least 6 to 8 kit parts any ideas here besides the entex porsche.

its getting rough id in these parts I have limited knowledge of russian armor and exotic cars
cap

 

[moes1]

I have made my gearboxes from scratch. But I think they have been made from 10 parts. If one looks in The Cronicles one can see white styrene between the parts.
I figure that ILM scratch them too.

The same goes with my Ventilation rings, they are also scratched. They might be build from a machinegun ring or a big scale Tank hatch but they where pretty easy to build.

 

[bwise]

Hey Moe,

In my first inquiry I wasn't refering to the entex transmission gearboxes, I'm refering to the left-most black kit part in this photo

http://www.m-moeslund.dk/images-process/5oct05.jpg

My second inquiry was about the right-most part in this photo. My conjecture was that it's from a KV-1 or KV-1B tamiya.

In this photo I've found the L/70 Lang part, the 1/72 Sherman part and the SU-85 part A29. These outer 2 and the beige bulbous central part are still mysteries to me.

And by the way Moe, I have to say your photos have simply been invaluable. I feel like I owe you money for providing them for us.
Thanks
Bill

 

[boatbuilder1]

I have just finished scanning in the pics from chronicles on the falcon and I can definately see parts from badai king tiger on the right mandible side panel I think it is 1/24 but could be 1/48 I have to measure yet to be sure
also see leopard parts

hope this helps

cap

 

[moes1]

bwise

Your welcome...
Your right about the KV1, the SU85 (Same part in the SU122, T34) and the 70 Lang.
but you'll find the same part in all the Panzer Tanks as long they have the same "chassis".
The German's used the same platform and added different gunturrets on them.
The "teardrop" part in the middle, I don't know which kit it came from, I just got the cast by luck!
It could be the Entex Porsche....or not.

 

[DK424]

I'll second what bwise said about the pics. Thanks, Moe! I've been really successful at I.D.ing the parts on the left mandible side especially. I was surprised to find that chunk of Matilda engine deck stuck in there. Does anyone know if there are other KV-1/1B parts on the Falcon? I've been meaning to pick this kit up.

So. . . just what is that dark-colored part on the left in the picture linked above?

Dan

 

[boatbuilder1]

I think I have found a kit on the right mandible side but not sure up front there are two rectanulard parts with six rivets on them 3 at the top and 3 at the bottom I beleive these to be from the sdkfz 223 leichter but would like comfirmation

please

 

[bwise]

Where do you see matilda engine deck on the left mandible's outer wall? I see part C50 from the 1/35 tamiya obviously, and just to the right of it is part# 47 from the 1/72 airfix matilda, but I don't see engine deck. Am I missing it?

 

[boatbuilder1]

as far as the 32 inch falcon goes is it 32inches long or 32 inches in diamter a bit confused here I am just about to start my drawings and need info

please help

 

[DK424]

IÂ’ll give it the old college try, bwise! Look at the pic on Moes website of the left mandible side (the one with the 2 areas circled in red). In the space between the two circles, you see the pipe that runs horizontally about halfway up the sidewall. Above that pipe and slightly overlapping the red circle to the left you can see a rectangular piece with what looks to have 6 vertical ribs on it. ThatÂ’s the Airfix Matilda engine deck. ItÂ’s a little hard to see because the photoÂ’s a bit washed out, but those ribs are actually doubled and you can see some fine details on the right edge of the piece. When I printed the pic out, it printed a little darker and the details showed up a little better. Hope this helps. Still trying to figure out what the squareish part right below that one is. It looks familiar.

Did everyone spot the gun shield from the Tamiya Flak 38 (single gun) in this area also?

The 32” would be the length. I have the diameter estimated to be about 24”, but I’m still working to nail that down precisely.

Dan

 

[bwise]

Hey Dan,

yeah I figured that was the piece you meant but the detail didn't look quite right to me. The photo is kind of washed out. But I think you're probably right.

As for the Flak 38 peice, do you mean some chopped piece of part F14? That's the only piece from the Flak 38 I see that has the small rivets detail I see. I just can't make out much detail in that area, the chronicle pictures are too glancing an angle and covered up with the morser karl piece that Moe points out is missing, and these other photos are a bit washed out.

I assume you've found the 1/35 Matilda turret part C30 and the 1/72 matilda part 47 to the right of it. There are also 2 1/20 JPS Mk III parts right there as well, parts D29 and D39. I'm still working on the frontwards half of this mandible. Although I did find piece 15 from the Nelson and and the discussion here revealed part 53 from the airfix matilda right n top of it.

As for measurements, the Lucafilm archive shows the ESB falcon's dimensions at 61 x 76 x 21 cm, which should be 24.0147 x 29.9213 x 8.26772 inches, where I'm assuming the length is it's greatest dimension. Ultimately I'm hoping the various parts will help me determine the scale independently.

Bill

 

[boatbuilder1]

thanks for the measure ments I was beginning to think I was getting the cold shoulder or put on ignore ...................

why then is it called the 32 incher if it even isn't 30 inches long ????????????

 

[moes1]

To all of you who are about to make building plans.
Here's some advise: Don't think about the measurements to begin with only the shape. Get the basic shape right. Find all the invisible "gross lines" in the ship. Then upscale it later.
My Falcon is a bit bigger than 32" long.

The Cronicles might have the measurements wrong - printerror. There are many flaws in the Cronicle, fx. there is a picture in the section about the Snowspeeder where we see Luke in a cockpit. The Cronicle say it's the Snowspeeder cockpit but it's the X-Wing.

 

[DARKSIDE72]

The length is over 32". As Moe stated. It's closer to 33". The chronicles is wrong. NEVER take the publications measurements as being accurate. They are very vague at best.

 

[Rogue Studios]

I have to echo what Moes1(Morten) and Darkside(Jaime) have said to be careful when using some of these photo references fron Chonicles etc. I realize you have to use whatever you can get but also continue digging for info and details it will only help in the long run. I think Morten hit it right on the head when he said work out the basic shape and then go from there because as you start looking at it more and more details will surface about the shape and design...you'd be amazed all of the stuff that happens when the hull first intersects at the mandibles. Take Care and happy building.

 

[DK424]

Yeah, that must be the right Flak 38 part - flat, roughly U-shaped, sitting on the side that gets a bit of it chopped off. Don't have my notes with me at the moment. Spotted all those other parts you mentioned bwise, but what is it about that left mandible side? I can't seem to get much further forward of that Rodney part either. Ha! And to think I was doing so well. . .

Now as far as dimensions go. . . I learned a while back to take the measurments in the books as "suggestions". That's probably how it started getting referred to as the 32" Falcon. At C2, Lorne Peterson kept calling it the 2-footer. Say, since there seems to be a few of us in here working up plans, how about comparing some notes? Certain sections are easy to measure, because of kit parts in those areas, while some of the more sparse areas are a little trickier. A good example would be the round quad-gun deck. The only part I've found is the Flakvierling piece, and it's been a challenge determining the diameter of the deck based on this single part. So far I have a measurement of about 5.52" diameter (14 cm) for the top surface with the window at 2.37" diameter (6 cm). I think I'm pretty close, but I'd be curious to see how close we all are.

Dan

 

[boatbuilder1]

the two ends look to be sherman front glacious plates
and the middle deck seems to be the british scorpion

any one care to refute this ??????????

cap
sorry I thought the reply would go to the one just below the pic of the sherman seen on page 11 can some one please confim this ?