3' Star Destroyer parts?

Discussion in 'Studio Scale Models' started by Krachenvogel, Nov 8, 2005.

  1. Krachenvogel

    Krachenvogel Well-Known Member

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    The great pics posted on Forbidden Plastic have got me curious about the identity of a few key parts used on the 3' Star Destroyer studio model (aka, the Devastator). I know how secretive the studio scale guys tend to be and I understand why, but I figured I'd ask anyhow. What I'm interested in are:

    -The two spherical sensor domes / shield generators on top of the bridge
    -The four small 'secondary' engine bells on the back
    -The main part of the turrets alongside the superstructure. There are four of them (the other side is apparently removed for the mounting armature), and the last one in line looks to be the commander's cupola from an M-60 (presumably the 1/35 Tamiya), but the other three are different. I'm thinking Italeri PzKpfw I turrets, or maybe Tamiya PzKpfw II turrets (though they're probably too small for that). I notice what appears to be a PzKpfw I hull top-center of the stern...

    Thanks for any input you folks might have.
     
  2. Boba Flint

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    -The four small 'secondary' engine bells on the back

    Those are small measuring cups. You can get them at any hobby shop. They are plastic with several kinds of measurments, ML, oz, cc, dram, etc.

    The turrests I have not really looked for yet.
     
  3. Krachenvogel

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    Someone on another board suggested that the sensor spheres could be a couple of those crystal-style door knobs that were popular in the 70's. Can anyone confirm or refute that? It didn't occur to me to consider sources beyond model kits.
     
  4. DARKSIDE72

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  5. Krachenvogel

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    Fascinating, thanks Darkside. That's a regular full-size doorknob, yes? I'm kicking around the idea of doing a studio-scale Devastator as a LONG term project, maybe build the hull and add greeblies at my leisure. I don't plan on sweating every single detail part, but there are a few signature features that are key, and those spheres are probably the most important in my mind. I'll have to check out HOBO and the local building salvage shops for knobs like that.

    Have correctly-proportioned blueprints of the 3-footer ever been published? I have little confidence in those from WEG supplements and the like.
     
  6. PHArchivist

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    Study the sensor spheres closely -- the spheres on the 3-footer have much fewer facets. The posted image has a number of facets that is closer to the spheres of 8-footer...
     
  7. DARKSIDE72

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    It has exactly the correct number. And amazingly is the exact size.

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  8. boatbuilder1

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    this is an Idea I had not tried cool nice job
    but I thing the door knob size would rule it out
     
  9. DARKSIDE72

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    Well they are not door knobs.
     
  10. Krachenvogel

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    Then what are they, cabinet knobs, or drawer handles or something?
     
  11. BB43MAN

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    Looks like some type of craft bead from Hobby Lobby or some other place. Could also be some type of chain-end ball on some psychodelic type of bead curtain from the 70's. Something like that.

    Maybe someone can get in touch with some ILM'ers and find out.
     
  12. rudolpht

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    Somewhat OT, but I have been looking for someone to buildup a 3+' Star Destroyer or Super Star Destroyer after salivating over the screen used at the Boston Museum of Science exhibit. I have tried the modelling boards, and I have contacted a few folks that have done build ups. I know it's a daunting, time consuming, and expensive task, but interested.
    Any pointers appreciated.
    Tim
     
  13. PHArchivist

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    Curtain rod end caps...
     
  14. PHArchivist

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    I was both correct and incorrect...

    The facets of the ANH and ESB models are different, but not so much in number. The shape/style of facets are different.

    And as Jaime clearly indicated, the image he posted does match the ANH.
     
  15. PHArchivist

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    Understanding the thread is about the ANH model, here is a shot oif the ESB sphere just for comparison:
     
  16. DARKSIDE72

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    Tell you what, I'll build you one at the same time I build mine. Say $40,000 and a couple of years build time. :lol

    Seriously though:
    Right now 98% of all donor parts have been positivly ID'd. A few are going to be building. 1.1 prints are being made by a very tallented artisan.
    One of the most common misconceptions made about the model is the size. Everyone keeps calling it a 3' star destroyer. The rear is in the 3' wide range, but the hull length is much longer than 3'.
     
  17. Krachenvogel

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    I've started working on my own drawings for this project, and I was just wondering about that. The dimensions published in Chronicles and Lucasfilm Archives state that the model is 91 x 46 cm, but that doesn't seem to give the correct proportions - it looks too long and skinny. If the 91cm length is correct, the width should be more like 57 cm. Does anyone who knows the correct length and width care to share?
     
  18. DARKSIDE72

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    All measurements taken from those books are terribly incorrect.

    Sorry don't know anything about the metric system.
     
  19. Krachenvogel

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    91cm = 35.8"
    46cm = 18.1"
    57cm = 22.4"

    1" = 2.54 cm

    There's a photo I just remembered on p 42 of Chronicles which shows the internal frame of the SD next to a yardstick. Just by eyeball, the length from the rear bulkhead to the point at the front where the brim trench walls meet looks to be as much as 40". Overhang from the top and bottom hull pieces will increase that further, so the 4' figure might not be too far off.

    Does anyone have a scan of the photo I'm referring to? I'd like to drop it into CAD to do a more refined analysis.
     
  20. DARKSIDE72

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    Have the photo but the angle of the camera is off and the model is raised off the work bench considerably.

    The model is 4' 5" long...
     
  21. ShowCraft

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    So, has anyone been able to get their hands on these faceted sphere things? I'm curious to know what they actually are.
     
  22. DARKSIDE72

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  23. Krachenvogel

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    The most credible ID I have gotten is that they are drawer handles. They are approximately 1.15" in diameter, based on photos of the bridge and sizes of kit parts in the vicinity.
     
  24. ShowCraft

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    Found these the other day. $5.50 a piece at a local hardware store. Theyre the correct size and number of facets.
     
  25. Krachenvogel

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    Nice. What store did you find them at, is it a national chain?
     
  26. ShowCraft

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    Got them at Ace hardware, but Saw the same ones at Lowes yesterday. So they are probably available at Home Depot and other places as well. These new spheres are clearly made to better tollerances than the original ones used on the SD. The facets are more uniform in shape. However, with some sanding to knock down the sharp edges and slap on some thick paint, these spheres can look just like the sloppy ones ILM used 30 years ago.
     
  27. Krachenvogel

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    Thanks, Samos 3, I'll check my local shops this weekend.
     
  28. star-art

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    These are reproductions of antique knobs, fortunately for us they appear to be the correct size and shape. Is it me or do the unpainted knobs look perfect, but when painted all of a sudden the central layer of facets look too tall?
     
  29. Maths_Hal

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    I'm pretty shure they are "finials" (for lamps, curtain rods)
    I haven't found the exact match yet, but I have a couple of
    Lamp Finials (see pic)
    Maths

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  30. Krachenvogel

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    I found some of those knobs at my local Menard's, in with the cabinet hardware and such. There were three sizes, 30mm, 35mm, and 40mm. I got the 30mm, which is closest to my size estimate from the studio model. They are slightly oblate, but I don't think that will be evident once all of the support struts are built up underneath.

    BTW, the 35mm ones had elongated facets around the equator, like Samos 3's painted photo, but on the 30mm they are proportioned like the studio model.
     
  31. PHArchivist

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    Cool find. In a community where information is often graciously shared simply by asking, its got to be more rewarding to find it yourself.... The thread suggests these may have been previously identified, but you were able to enjoy the thrill of the hunt yourself.
     
  32. Krachenvogel

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    In starting this thread, I had asked about three parts - the globes, the secondary engines, and the turbolaser turrets. The engines (measuring cups) and globes (crystal knobs) have been identified, and I just managed to figure out the turrets for myself. They are the top of the turret from the Hasegawa 1/72 M4A3[E8] Sherman, turned around backward. It became clear to me once I got ahold of some of the detail parts that go on top.

    I thought I'd post that just to close the loop, as it were. Thanks to all who helped out here.
     
  33. PHArchivist

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    Congrats, man. Cool find.

    To recapitulate -- I'm sure some knew this already, but finding it yourself is all the more rewarding (and fun.).... Kudos.
     

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