what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader quit

[Wolfsburg]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

But following the logic of their mission, there was really no need for capital ships on the staging ground at all.

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Yeah, I'd say there was plenty of need.

 

[Krull]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

@Solo4114:actually I'm more on about things like Vader taking his helmet off,if he was this scarred,gruff,dangerous person it would have been much,much better.

Or things like the storm troopers using lightsabers and a few other things.

What SW is is amazing for the most but there is more they could​ have done.

 

[Egon Spengler]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Because ROTJ, more than any other SW film, is simply a merchandising machine with absolutely no interest in logic, character, story or continuity.

You mean the prequels right?

 

[Riceball]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Au contraire. Capital ships force the Empire to focus on them. Send fighter and bomber squadrons to attack them, send whatever capital ships are there to attack, target all primary laser banks on them, etc. This, in turn, allows the opening for the fighters to fly into the superstructure and destroy the core.

The Empire's focus has always been "big." This was ultimately their Achilles heel. They never saw the "small" threat coming until it was too late. So, hey, why expect them to suddenly wise up at Endor?

Not to mention that destroying the shield generator wasn't the end goal, it was merely one part of the overall mission which was to destroy the second Death Star. So without capital ships it wouldn't have mattered if they took out the shield generator or not because there would have nothing up in space to attack the Death Star, one shuttle and a handful of commandos certainly wasn't going to do it.

 

[eifion]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

I have a soft spot for RotJ because it's the movie I have the earliest memories of. However, it does look cheap and rushed in many ways.

The painted background Falcon;
Ford phoning in his performance;
Ewoks (yep the prequels rot started here);
The Endor "back door" bunker was a cheap way to avoid realizing a complex Imperial installation.
Han's duck and cover in some bushes before the shield gen blows up is laughably bad.
Battle of Endor was just a "faster, more intense" retread of ANH's DS attack.

I really enjoy Vader and Luke's arc though and the Emperor stole the show. The speeder bike chase is one of my standout moments in the entire OT too.

 

[astroboy]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Not to mention that destroying the shield generator wasn't the end goal, it was merely one part of the overall mission which was to destroy the second Death Star. So without capital ships it wouldn't have mattered if they took out the shield generator or not because there would have nothing up in space to attack the Death Star, one shuttle and a handful of commandos certainly wasn't going to do it.

But just like ANH, the attack on the death star wasn't about an actual assault on the death star. It was about a single torpedo in the exhaust port.The only difference between these two missions was the force field and the fact that the small fighter could actually fly into the exhaust port

 

[dascoyne]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

When I first saw Endor I kept thinking, "they're just running around in Muir Woods ... WTF?"
That's the problem with growing up in the SF Bay Area.

 

[astroboy]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

When I first saw Endor I kept thinking, "they're just running around in Muir Woods ... WTF?"
That's the problem with growing up in the SF Bay Area.

Do you know if there are any remnants from the filming locations? Is the bunker still around?

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[Wolfsburg]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

I wanna say I actually read once that one of the panels used to make up the "bunker" was actually found on a farm a few years ago?

 

[dascoyne]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Do you know if there are any remnants from the filming locations? Is the bunker still around?

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Since it's a national park I really doubt it.

I wanna say I actually read once that one of the panels used to make up the "bunker" was actually found on a farm a few years ago?

You might be thinking about the Mos Eisley cantina doors which were discovered on some farm by Gus Lopez and on display at Rancho Obi-Wan. I think they were being used as a gate to an animal pen, or something.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Do you know if there are any remnants from the filming locations? Is the bunker still around?

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There was an article by Brandon Alinger (I think... who founded this site) on trying to find the CA Endor locations in SW Insider years ago. They found the site and someone found parts of the bunker being used as yard fencing near the location.

 

[Wolfsburg]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Since it's a national park I really doubt it.

You might be thinking about the Mos Eisley cantina doors which were discovered on some farm by Gus Lopez and on display at Rancho Obi-Wan. I think they were being used as a gate to an animal pen, or something.

http://thestarwarssaga.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/12cantinaband.jpg

Maybe that's it but what Sluis says sounds familiar too.

 

[blewis17]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Here's the story on the Endor bunker panels
http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=51441


Gus Lopez with some of the panels

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Meanwhile, I'd been ruminating on the capital ship thing. Then Mara Jade's Father posted this screen shot from the season two teaser over in the Rebels thread:

...And that made a lightbulb go off. In the Prequels we saw freghters and cargo haulers converted into warships by the CIS. The Republic only had corvettes and frigates. The Acclamator landing craft were part of the purpose-built materiel for the clone army. The outbreak of war allowed Palpatine to have larger ships built, and we got the Venators. After he got emergency powers, I imagine he wasted no time in making "more and bigger" a priority. We know from the Rebels-ANH-ESB throughline that there was a decade or so of refinement to that model of Star Destroyer. And we know from ESB there were variations even when they appear at first glance to be identical. It makes sense to me that, for convenience of construction and maintenance, all the shipyards are working with the same parts suppliers to build ships to the same general template.

In the US Navy you don't see a bunch of widely divergent carrier classes. You see one (with minor variations between vessels) that then gets supplanted by another that looks very similar at first glance.

Meanwhile, the Rebels would likely only still have whatever was around and easily acquirable pre-wars. Except for the couple big cruisers, but since the EU has been set aside, we don't know that they're made by the Mon Cal, or that they were converted passenger liners. For all we know, they could have been purpose-built in secret by the Sullustans.

So yeah. I don't have any problem with the Empire having only a haldful of ship types and general uniformity. Contrariwise, I wish they'd taken time to get more of a rag-bag assemblage in the Rebel fleet, rather than a bunch of corvettes and Nebulon-B's (and transports, as this thread was started to address), with a couple big cruisers.

--Jonah

 

[Riceball]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

It would have been nice if they gave the Imperials a little more variety as well. As cool as Star Destroyers were it's kind of hard to imagine the entire Imperial fleet consisted of nothing but Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers. Granted that SDs were extremely powerful and could act as sort of a USN LHD or LHD on steroids they can't possibly be cheap and would probably be gross overkill for completely peaceful and secure worlds or complete backwater worlds where nothing happens. That's one of the things that I like about Rebels, we actually get to see a class of Imperial starship that's not a Star Destroyer and for that matter, doesn't look like a scaled down version of one either.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

I think it's just because it's a movie. It's more of an impact to show a Star Destroyer showing up than an Imperial custom corvette.

I would just like to congratulate the RPF for making a 5pg thread about background transports in a SW movie. :lol

 

[astroboy]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

^and we haven't even mention all those miscellaneous kitbashed ship from the end of ESB. They're like that relative no one knows who seems to end of at all the family reunions

 

[Riceball]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

I think it's just because it's a movie. It's more of an impact to show a Star Destroyer showing up than an Imperial custom corvette.

I would just like to congratulate the RPF for making a 5pg thread about background transports in a SW movie. :lol

True, but it wouldn't have hurt to have shown a few smaller vessels that served as escorts to the Star Destroyers, in fact, I think a cool scene to have done would have been to show a medium sized cruiser launch TIEs or near some TIEs and then show a Star Destroyer pull up above or next to it.