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Edwardowan
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Yes.. .yes, I do... I was 10 in 1977 ... oh, don't forget, there was another way to relive the film: Topps Bubble Gum Cards! I spent my weekly allowance on nothing but Star Wars cards! and I still have all of them.. .complete sets and some of the stickers. The Star Wars Poster Monthly too... those are the days.... now, I have the same feeling with ESB being that I was all but turning 13, you still couldn't see either film after it left the theater and you still only had the cards, action figures and magazines... ESB was great because at the time I lived on the border of Canada and it was cold and snowy... it made living through long winters bearable and more fun because now you lived on HOTH and you could imagine riding Tauntauns, avoiding Imperial Probe Droids, battling AT-AT Walkers and slashing off the arm of an occasional wampa!... yes, those are the days... then Return of the Jedi happened... I was 16 and more into girls and not so much into muppets and teddy bears.
GiovanniDekkers
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I'm hoping for some Mandalorian action in the next movie, or any other kind of Bountyhunter action, not that it's anything official I'm sharing here but these two , are among my favorite actor suggestions for Episode 7....focussing on a Mandalorian Clan as part of Episode 7 could add some great content.
I'm hoping for some Mandalorian action in the next movie, or any other kind of Bountyhunter action, not that it's anything official I'm sharing here but these two , are among my favorite actor suggestions for Episode 7....focussing on a Mandalorian Clan as part of Episode 7 could add some great content.
GiovanniDekkers
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He doesn't have to act, Mandos don't act , they fight, from what I saw in "Game of Thrones" he'd make a great Mando, he isn't the "Too much talk" guy anyway, he just has to do Mando stuff.As for Manu , that goes without saying.Seeing him fight a huge Star Wars creature.... seeing them both at it, I can picture that pretty clear...not that I'm gay or anything , I just like to see great action sequences.....fight stuff.
He doesn't have to act, Mandos don't act , they fight, from what I saw in "Game of Thrones" he'd make a great Mando, he isn't the "Too much talk" guy anyway, he just has to do Mando stuff.As for Manu , that goes without saying.Seeing him fight a huge Star Wars creature.... seeing them both at it, I can picture that pretty clear...not that I'm gay or anything
, I just like to see great action sequences.....fight stuff.
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
No way - The prequels squandered another opportunity. Anakin building C3P0 and the constant return to Tatooine was pathetic. He made the big universe small.
No way - The prequels squandered another opportunity. Anakin building C3P0 and the constant return to Tatooine was pathetic. He made the big universe small.
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Way. The PT was the story GL wanted to tell. You can disagree with the choices but nothing was squandered.
Way. The PT was the story GL wanted to tell. You can disagree with the choices but nothing was squandered.
Edwardowan
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I have to tend to agree there... although I even feel the dialog, acting and directing was less than desirable I always felt it was 100% George Lucas much like New Hope was... Lucas wrote and directed and in the end even finished editing the film New Hope... while I feel writing and directing assistance was much needed for the prequels (not to mention perhaps more location and less CGI sets) I relished in the fact that it was fully and purely George Lucas' story and concepts... he had his hand in every aspect of the film and while it can be argued, debated and criticized that he did so, it was George Lucas' vision and I went for the ride...
I too was disappointed in Phantom Menace when it first came out but over the years I have found a fondness for it and even back at first release I found much to enjoy and thought Liam Neeson was a fantastic Jedi.... I felt the "love scenes" in Attack of the Clones were very uncomfortable, laughable and there wasn't much chemistry, but I enjoyed the battles and though Count Dooku was really awesome... Many hated the CGI Yoda and his action scenes but I LOVED Yoda in the PT.... I really like Revenge of the Sith quite a bit and actually put that DVD in to re-watch often. It wasn't quite the story I had in mind for the PT but it was never my story to develop and write. The PT did not disappoint when it came to costumes, hardware and ship designs!
I recall long ago George stating that the reason he started with what became New Hope (the middle act of the story) was because he knew that was the most interesting and most action packed... he stated that the earlier stuff was "boring" Well, he was right but in the end he still brought quite a bit of action to it. Yes, the complexities of the story weren't there and the rise and fall of Anakin as a hero didn't really satisfy... I feel Anakin should have been a much loved and revered Jedi by all his peers and his tragic fall should have been a much more shocking and sad result of trickery and deceit by Palpatine... the way it played out you kind of don't really care if anakin turns and are just ready for it to happen already... which if I could own just one critique is that Revenge of the Sith should have been episode 2 and episode three should have been Vader in Armour hunting down the remaining Jedi and perhaps confronting Obi Wan yet again because even Vader tells Luke in ROTJ that " Obi Wan once thought as you did" so for me, I would have wanted to see Obi Wan making a move much like Luke eventually does in trying to talk to vader and get him to come back to the good side and defeat the emperor... blah, I think of this stuff till I'm blue in the face but in the end the Prequel stories is what came out of late 1990s GL... I wonder if they would have been the same if he did them back in the early 80's right after Return of the Jedi ? hmmmm...
I have to tend to agree there... although I even feel the dialog, acting and directing was less than desirable I always felt it was 100% George Lucas much like New Hope was... Lucas wrote and directed and in the end even finished editing the film New Hope... while I feel writing and directing assistance was much needed for the prequels (not to mention perhaps more location and less CGI sets) I relished in the fact that it was fully and purely George Lucas' story and concepts... he had his hand in every aspect of the film and while it can be argued, debated and criticized that he did so, it was George Lucas' vision and I went for the ride...
I too was disappointed in Phantom Menace when it first came out but over the years I have found a fondness for it and even back at first release I found much to enjoy and thought Liam Neeson was a fantastic Jedi.... I felt the "love scenes" in Attack of the Clones were very uncomfortable, laughable and there wasn't much chemistry, but I enjoyed the battles and though Count Dooku was really awesome... Many hated the CGI Yoda and his action scenes but I LOVED Yoda in the PT.... I really like Revenge of the Sith quite a bit and actually put that DVD in to re-watch often. It wasn't quite the story I had in mind for the PT but it was never my story to develop and write. The PT did not disappoint when it came to costumes, hardware and ship designs!
I recall long ago George stating that the reason he started with what became New Hope (the middle act of the story) was because he knew that was the most interesting and most action packed... he stated that the earlier stuff was "boring" Well, he was right
but in the end he still brought quite a bit of action to it. Yes, the complexities of the story weren't there and the rise and fall of Anakin as a hero didn't really satisfy... I feel Anakin should have been a much loved and revered Jedi by all his peers and his tragic fall should have been a much more shocking and sad result of trickery and deceit by Palpatine... the way it played out you kind of don't really care if anakin turns and are just ready for it to happen already... which if I could own just one critique is that Revenge of the Sith should have been episode 2 and episode three should have been Vader in Armour hunting down the remaining Jedi and perhaps confronting Obi Wan yet again because even Vader tells Luke in ROTJ that " Obi Wan once thought as you did" so for me, I would have wanted to see Obi Wan making a move much like Luke eventually does in trying to talk to vader and get him to come back to the good side and defeat the emperor... blah, I think of this stuff till I'm blue in the face but in the end the Prequel stories is what came out of late 1990s GL... I wonder if they would have been the same if he did them back in the early 80's right after Return of the Jedi ? hmmmm...
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Lutso
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I disagree. The Mandalorians were cool back when "Open Seasons" was fresh, but ever since that detestable Karen Traviss started obsessing over the culture and going insane with it, I've heard and read too much to think very highly of them anymore.
People tend to ignore the fact that they ARE supposed to be WIPED OUT by the time of even the prequel trilogy, making Boba Fett one of the last. It seems a couple authors throw out a convenient retcon about Fenn Shysa, and suddenly the galaxy is brimming with them again. I realize that Giovanni has an explanation lined up for me, but honestly...arguing about canonical issues is becoming impossible these days in regards to SW, the EU is way too bloated to keep track of that stuff anymore. It's really up for personal interpretation as far as I'm concerned, you choose what you want to believe or not believe.
But back when I was into the books etc. the Mandalorians were wiped out before the Clone Wars, and I still find that story most believable. It makes sense. The reason Jodo Kast was such a big deal in the galaxy was because he was the only other besides Fett...and Fett killed him over it. LOL
Here's the deal; Boba Fett was cool because we didn't know much about him. He was a mysterious icon from a past culture. We knew more about Jango Fett than Boba, but he was still mysterious too, and therefore cool. With this relentless onslaught of books, comics, games, tv shows and wookieepedia articles on the Mandalorians, I'm sick to death of them. The romanticism is gone.
Imagine if you took Clint Eastwood's "Blondie" character and made a series of books and movies detailing his backstory, prying into every motive of his character. And not only that, but you found out that he was part of a secret culture of gunfighters that all looked and talked and moved exactly like him. Suddenly he's not that impressive anymore. But maybe some people would be into that, what do I know...
Rant over, just IMO of course, but I'll certainly pass on seeing them in Ep. VII.
I disagree. The Mandalorians were cool back when "Open Seasons" was fresh, but ever since that detestable Karen Traviss started obsessing over the culture and going insane with it, I've heard and read too much to think very highly of them anymore.
People tend to ignore the fact that they ARE supposed to be WIPED OUT by the time of even the prequel trilogy, making Boba Fett one of the last. It seems a couple authors throw out a convenient retcon about Fenn Shysa, and suddenly the galaxy is brimming with them again. I realize that Giovanni has an explanation lined up for me, but honestly...arguing about canonical issues is becoming impossible these days in regards to SW, the EU is way too bloated to keep track of that stuff anymore. It's really up for personal interpretation as far as I'm concerned, you choose what you want to believe or not believe.
But back when I was into the books etc. the Mandalorians were wiped out before the Clone Wars, and I still find that story most believable. It makes sense. The reason Jodo Kast was such a big deal in the galaxy was because he was the only other besides Fett...and Fett killed him over it. LOL
Here's the deal; Boba Fett was cool because we didn't know much about him. He was a mysterious icon from a past culture. We knew more about Jango Fett than Boba, but he was still mysterious too, and therefore cool. With this relentless onslaught of books, comics, games, tv shows and wookieepedia articles on the Mandalorians, I'm sick to death of them. The romanticism is gone.
Imagine if you took Clint Eastwood's "Blondie" character and made a series of books and movies detailing his backstory, prying into every motive of his character. And not only that, but you found out that he was part of a secret culture of gunfighters that all looked and talked and moved exactly like him. Suddenly he's not that impressive anymore. But maybe some people would be into that, what do I know...
Rant over, just IMO of course, but I'll certainly pass on seeing them in Ep. VII.
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Hehe. They're using clips from the best version of "A New Hope".
*THUMBS UP!
Hehe. They're using clips from the best version of "A New Hope".
*THUMBS UP!
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Jaitea
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GiovanniDekkers
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@ Lutso, don't worry about it, as far as the Clint Eastwood Cowboy character.......I remember guys like Franco Nero(Django, not that Jamie Foxx flick) and other great western characters played by John Wayne, Henry Fonda, James Coburn, James Fransiscus, (even Shalako with Sean Connery), maybe not as big as Clint, but they had their own part in Western Movie History.So if you're comparing the Fetts to Eastwood , there might also be Mandos or other kinds of bountyhunters based on other western Icons, why not.I like the idea very much , if it's done in a great way, a new band/brotherhood of Bountyhunters they don't have to be Mandalorians specificaly, but I like the Bountyhunter idea very much.It doesn't have to be all lightsabers all the time, or another badge of armytroopers, soo cliché , I want to see something fresh in a Star Wars Universe, but with recognizable aspects.I'm Willing to give Disney the Benefit of the Doubt, I'm saying Disney instead of Abrams, or they might aswell call it Abramsfilm instead of Lucasfilm right?
@ Lutso, don't worry about it, as far as the Clint Eastwood Cowboy character.......I remember guys like Franco Nero(Django, not that Jamie Foxx flick) and other great western characters played by John Wayne, Henry Fonda, James Coburn, James Fransiscus, (even Shalako with Sean Connery), maybe not as big as Clint, but they had their own part in Western Movie History.So if you're comparing the Fetts to Eastwood , there might also be Mandos or other kinds of bountyhunters based on other western Icons, why not.I like the idea very much , if it's done in a great way, a new band/brotherhood of Bountyhunters they don't have to be Mandalorians specificaly, but I like the Bountyhunter idea very much.It doesn't have to be all lightsabers all the time, or another badge of armytroopers, soo cliché , I want to see something fresh in a Star Wars Universe, but with recognizable aspects.I'm Willing to give Disney the Benefit of the Doubt, I'm saying Disney instead of Abrams, or they might aswell call it Abramsfilm instead of Lucasfilm right?
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Lutso
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As for the non-Jedi characters though, I agree with you 100% on that, and I think you'll find most people around here do as well...we are all tired of Jedi and clones. The real action is in all the down-to-reality citizens...the bounty hunters, the smugglers, the pirates. Definitely my favorite aspect of the EU and the various books comics etc. was the attention paid to the minor characters who were, for the most part, more interesting than the movie heroes.
Complain all you want about ROTJ but I personally thought seeing Jabba's crime ring was awesome.
Here's hoping for lots of blasters, starships, shady criminals and character development in Ep. VII!
You do make an interesting point with the western movie icons/Mandalorians, I didn't really think about it that way, but regardless of how cool a theory it is, I don't see it working very well in the context of the movies.
As for the non-Jedi characters though, I agree with you 100% on that, and I think you'll find most people around here do as well...we are all tired of Jedi and clones. The real action is in all the down-to-reality citizens...the bounty hunters, the smugglers, the pirates. Definitely my favorite aspect of the EU and the various books comics etc. was the attention paid to the minor characters who were, for the most part, more interesting than the movie heroes.
Complain all you want about ROTJ but I personally thought seeing Jabba's crime ring was awesome.
Here's hoping for lots of blasters, starships, shady criminals and character development in Ep. VII!
Jaitea
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She can talk about all the movies and games she wants, but I'll be danged if I accept her as a good part of them.
Bad voice acting, character pretty much exists solely for indulgence and the thought that BioWare actually put effort into replicating her face over creating an in-game face for Tali. Oooo, you were definitely one of the problems Jess.
She can talk about all the movies and games she wants, but I'll be danged if I accept her as a good part of them.
Bad voice acting, character pretty much exists solely for indulgence and the thought that BioWare actually put effort into replicating her face over creating an in-game face for Tali. Oooo, you were definitely one of the problems Jess.
seelsa73
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I am not one of those people who are sick of Jedi, in fact I find them fascinating and awesome. I'm sure there will be plenty of non-Jedi characters in Ep VII, but if you're looking for a Star Wars film completely devoid of Jedi, you'll probably be waiting for a LONG time, I'm sorry to say.
I am not one of those people who are sick of Jedi, in fact I find them fascinating and awesome. I'm sure there will be plenty of non-Jedi characters in Ep VII, but if you're looking for a Star Wars film completely devoid of Jedi, you'll probably be waiting for a LONG time, I'm sorry to say.
Edwardowan
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yup, having a star wars film without a Jedi component is like making Spaghetti without oregano ... its an important element that makes SW what it is!
I think many just felt the Jedi in the Prequels were just too powerful. too omnipresent... but I think that was the point... they got so big, so powerful, so complacent and so arrogant that it was easy and the right time for a Sith to swoop in and turn the galaxy against them... he even was able to get them to turn against each other in a way since the jedi had mistrust of Anakin and Anakin was tricked into believing the jedi were turning against him and holding him back... The Sith planted the seed and it didn't take much for the jedi to pretty much destroy themselves. One really has to look at the prequels as a story about the jedi and their failure and fall from grace... it was a different time... a time before the empire so it had to be different which I appreciate. now, the acting and dialog could have been better... the plot perhaps more complex and intriguing but ya, it showed how and why thousands of Jedi that were guardians of peace for a thousand years could suddenly become all but extinct. the PT story about the Jedi had to be told.
yup, having a star wars film without a Jedi component is like making Spaghetti without oregano ... its an important element that makes SW what it is!
I think many just felt the Jedi in the Prequels were just too powerful. too omnipresent... but I think that was the point... they got so big, so powerful, so complacent and so arrogant that it was easy and the right time for a Sith to swoop in and turn the galaxy against them... he even was able to get them to turn against each other in a way since the jedi had mistrust of Anakin and Anakin was tricked into believing the jedi were turning against him and holding him back... The Sith planted the seed and it didn't take much for the jedi to pretty much destroy themselves. One really has to look at the prequels as a story about the jedi and their failure and fall from grace... it was a different time... a time before the empire so it had to be different which I appreciate. now, the acting and dialog could have been better... the plot perhaps more complex and intriguing but ya, it showed how and why thousands of Jedi that were guardians of peace for a thousand years could suddenly become all but extinct. the PT story about the Jedi had to be told.
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I don't waste my life playing video games, I just think she is fun and I enjoy a lot of the Nerdist efforts. Chris Hardwick is a solid entrepreneur.
Back on topic I agree Jedi and Sith are what major motion picture SW should be concerning. Again, this "Large Universe" theory is based solely on the wonderful imaginings of fans, it's not actually in the 6 films. The CW did provide a narrative opportunity to explore that concept and I would suspect Rebels and other non film content in the future will as well.
I don't waste my life playing video games, I just think she is fun and I enjoy a lot of the Nerdist efforts. Chris Hardwick is a solid entrepreneur.
Back on topic I agree Jedi and Sith are what major motion picture SW should be concerning. Again, this "Large Universe" theory is based solely on the wonderful imaginings of fans, it's not actually in the 6 films. The CW did provide a narrative opportunity to explore that concept and I would suspect Rebels and other non film content in the future will as well.
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