The end of JJTrek, finally?
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Cephus
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That's why I specified televised Trek. At least the even numbered TOS movies were decent. I honestly have no love for any other Trek series. It all became a neon nightmare.
This video is very educational, in terms of the current Star Trek cinematic universe:
It appears that they want to scale back to doing these films on the cheap with a glorified TV budget, like they did in the post-TMP era.
Remember the “army” of only a dozen borg suits seen in “First Contact”...?
Remember the special effects of “WOK and how it had 100% recycled shots of the Enterprise from “TMP” for the first half of the movie (until the first battle sequence)?
Remember the recycled TV sets from TNG being used as sets for the Enterprise in Trek V and Trek VI?
Ah, the glory days...
It appears that they want to scale back to doing these films on the cheap with a glorified TV budget, like they did in the post-TMP era.
Remember the “army” of only a dozen borg suits seen in “First Contact”...?
Remember the special effects of “WOK and how it had 100% recycled shots of the Enterprise from “TMP” for the first half of the movie (until the first battle sequence)?
Remember the recycled TV sets from TNG being used as sets for the Enterprise in Trek V and Trek VI?
Ah, the glory days...
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....and this time there is no Harve Bennet to pull the Mounts arse out of the fire........or is there?
robn1
Master Member
Well the TMP sets were all taken over by TNG, leaving Trek V with no options.
...and also the fact, that for series TV, the CG was done Amiga computers, and they used the Video Toaster editing system, which was bargain basement budget for its time. .
Oh there was plenty of bitching about 3 and 4 during that time, just was’nt immortalized on the Internet! :lol
Laspector
Master Member
Really? I was at the end of high school and on up into college during those times. I went to plenty of conventions and seem to only recall good things being said about them. Of course, that could just be selective memory on my part.
Other than possibly some gripes about the comedic aspects of IV, what were some of the other criticisms?
Other than possibly some gripes about the comedic aspects of IV, what were some of the other criticisms?
I don't remember bitching about 3 and 4 at the time they came out. I remember seeing both of them the day they came out and liking both of them and thought they were a great continuation of the TOS movies. Of course I also liked 5 and 6 but that is for another thread.
IV for me was a big WTF in my circle.
Changing gears into an environmental comedy with Spock yucking it up was stripping the gears, not fun at all for me.
Especially after III which I felt was epic, we got Spock back and I was ready for boldly going again into the final frontier with the old school
and got a sit-com instead.
OK for a TV series to have comedy episodes now and then but for movies I just was not wanting that at all. Some of it was very painful
to watch, all that double dumb ass stuff and "wessels", Scotty talking to the mouse. Very popular stuff I guess but for me... Ugh.
And people still are shocked... wahhhhh? you didn't like IV????? LOL
Perhaps I take Trek too seriously.
Changing gears into an environmental comedy with Spock yucking it up was stripping the gears, not fun at all for me.
Especially after III which I felt was epic, we got Spock back and I was ready for boldly going again into the final frontier with the old school
and got a sit-com instead.
OK for a TV series to have comedy episodes now and then but for movies I just was not wanting that at all. Some of it was very painful
to watch, all that double dumb ass stuff and "wessels", Scotty talking to the mouse. Very popular stuff I guess but for me... Ugh.
And people still are shocked... wahhhhh? you didn't like IV????? LOL
Perhaps I take Trek too seriously.
I completely agree.
Trek IV: Save The Whales is the least of the Treks for me and it has aged the worst with a horrible soundtrack that sounds like it was combined with the leftovers from an 80’s buddy cop comedy (the gratIng, horrible, saxaphone and synth keyboard) and a cheap animated movie. The jokes are “ok” but mostly fall flat for me now and 1986 is pretty hard on the eyes for anyone who was alive at the time.
Trek IV: Save The Whales is the least of the Treks for me and it has aged the worst with a horrible soundtrack that sounds like it was combined with the leftovers from an 80’s buddy cop comedy (the gratIng, horrible, saxaphone and synth keyboard) and a cheap animated movie. The jokes are “ok” but mostly fall flat for me now and 1986 is pretty hard on the eyes for anyone who was alive at the time.
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Kovnyn
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IV was my gateway into Trek also, probably the first movie in the series I saw. As a kid, I was 6 when it came out, I thought it was funny. Today, man, talk about corny and dated. It's the one old school Trek film I pretend doesn't exist. I can stomach TMP better than IV, and I don't like the majority of TMP.
KojiroVance
Sr Member
I can say with a perfectly straight face that I think being a Trekkie in the 70s gave you a different perspective on the TOS films. I just watched a KRON-TV raw film archive from teh opening of the Federation Trading Post on Telegraph Ave in Berkeley, talking about “a new film will start production in the fall” a good 3 yrs before TMP actually started.
I guess you had to be there, hearing about Trek starting up for YEARS with false hopes, false starts, rumours of wacky scripts, tales of contract disputes. When we finally got the cast together and got to see them trekkin’ again, it was a blessing.
I guess you had to be there, hearing about Trek starting up for YEARS with false hopes, false starts, rumours of wacky scripts, tales of contract disputes. When we finally got the cast together and got to see them trekkin’ again, it was a blessing.
Impressions as I watched them on theatrical release.
TMP - I liked when it came out. But I thought the huge budget = space battles galore. Still it was an epic film for the time - even though it wasn't much like ST OT as I knew it.
WOK - This is everything I wanted. It's still a textbook on how to do ST right on the big screen. Balance of Terror meets Space Seed. How to make an 11 million budget look like 25 million. I rewatched it many times in the theater by myself. Good times.
SFS - Hated it. How to make a 16 million budget look like 5 million. I guess it was going for the TV look, but why? I guess the part where the son gets stabbed is supposed to be suspenseful but the way it's shot makes it look amateurish. I missed Kirstie Alley. And why is Reverand Jim (from Taxi) a Klingon? He doesn't sound like a Klingon and he even carries over his signature dumbfounded facial expression.
TVH - Had it's moments but overall, meh. It looked better than SFS, at least and a lot of the jokes worked. But even for 1986 this was a bit too conveniently "on the nose" about the conservation message without actually making any logical argument. Did they have to use an entire ST movie for a World Wildlife Fund PSA? I'm pretty sure I facepalmed most of the time in the theater.
TMP - I liked when it came out. But I thought the huge budget = space battles galore. Still it was an epic film for the time - even though it wasn't much like ST OT as I knew it.
WOK - This is everything I wanted. It's still a textbook on how to do ST right on the big screen. Balance of Terror meets Space Seed. How to make an 11 million budget look like 25 million. I rewatched it many times in the theater by myself. Good times.
SFS - Hated it. How to make a 16 million budget look like 5 million. I guess it was going for the TV look, but why? I guess the part where the son gets stabbed is supposed to be suspenseful but the way it's shot makes it look amateurish. I missed Kirstie Alley. And why is Reverand Jim (from Taxi) a Klingon? He doesn't sound like a Klingon and he even carries over his signature dumbfounded facial expression.
TVH - Had it's moments but overall, meh. It looked better than SFS, at least and a lot of the jokes worked. But even for 1986 this was a bit too conveniently "on the nose" about the conservation message without actually making any logical argument. Did they have to use an entire ST movie for a World Wildlife Fund PSA? I'm pretty sure I facepalmed most of the time in the theater.
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