G W Zipper
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I thought it was better on a second viewing. I was in the same boat as you, just saw it for a second time recently. Still a lot of problems, but somehow I was able to overlook some of them.
I thought it was better on a second viewing. I was in the same boat as you, just saw it for a second time recently. Still a lot of problems, but somehow I was able to overlook some of them.
I thought it was better on a second viewing. I was in the same boat as you, just saw it for a second time recently. Still a lot of problems, but somehow I was able to overlook some of them.
Was thinking about the release schedule today. If they keep doing a standalone on the off years, and develop another sequel trilogy, that means we have Rian's trilogy, a series from the GoT guys, a possible sequel trilogy, and standalones. It's just too many movies and there's no way they will be releasing two trilogies on alternating years. This leads me to think that perhaps the RJ trilogy will never happen and they are slowpedalling the news until after TLJ home video release cycle is done to avoid any bad press further affecting sales.
i was thinkin the same as egosheep but Bryancd makes a good point as well.
just got a bad feelin bout a whole johnson trilogy.although maybe his talents and ideas for a new trilogy without the restrictions of existing plot lines and character development might allow him to make amends for........ well my personal dissapointment in TLJ.
anyhow the best news i've seen recently is GOT guys doing this additional new trilogy.
What Disney needs is quality content that doesn't damage the brand, not just more quantity. Audience fatigue and brand oversaturation is a thing, and Disney may already be over the line. How do you see the schedule of the next 4 years shaping up? To me it seems like the only way this works is if any additional Skywalker Trilogy movies are put on hold, Rian does a new trilogy(old republic maybe) and GoT guys do loosely connected anthology films in between. I don't see them doing three SW movies a year or juggling separate connected storylines when there were average moviegoers who were expecting to see Rey and Finn in Rogue One. After the fiascos with Lord and Miller and Trevorrow, I'm not sure why it's so left-field to suggest that Rian may not end up making his trilogy.No. They have more then enough production capacity to have multiple films being made simultaneously, they have the capital requirements to fund these projects, and they are launching their streaming serivice in 2019 and all these films will eventually find a home there. Rian Johnson is working on a trilogy of films, these guys are working on a series of unrelated films which won't even go into pre-production until 2019 at the earliest due to their GOT commitments. Also they were initially approached to do tv development but they had some film ideas they pitched that were well received. The need for content is increasing not decreasing.
You're kidding, right? Just because it doesn't make The Star Wars Show doesn't mean there weren't production issues.His entire production went without a single hiccup.
What Disney needs is quality content that doesn't damage the brand, not just more quantity. Audience fatigue and brand oversaturation is a thing, and Disney may already be over the line. How do you see the schedule of the next 4 years shaping up? To me it seems like the only way this works is if any additional Skywalker Trilogy movies are put on hold, Rian does a new trilogy(old republic maybe) and GoT guys do loosely connected anthology films in between. I don't see them doing three SW movies a year or juggling separate connected storylines when there were average moviegoers who were expecting to see Rey and Finn in Rogue One. After the fiascos with Lord and Miller and Trevorrow, I'm not sure why it's so left-field to suggest that Rian may not end up making his trilogy.
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I would add he came in on time and on budget and delivered the number one global box office performer of the year. His entire production went without a single hiccup. He's very highly regarded at LucasFilm and isn't going anywhere.
Benihoff and Weis aren't doing a trilogy, it sounds like a few separate films.
People keep throwing around the box office numbers as if they're at all related to the quality of the movie. They might be, but just slightly.
If TFA an TLJ were 100% identical in story and cast/crew/etc, but didn't have SW or Luke/Leia/Chewie/Falcon attached to it, it wouldn't have grossed half, or maybe a third of what it did. You have to be honest about that.
I've never made a movie, but i guarantee you if you gave me E7 or 8 that i'd be able to garner close to the same box office numbers. STAR WARS in name is what sells the tickets at this point. To further illustrate that point, didn't BOTH of them score 200M before it was in theatres via presales? That's more than a number of movies made in their entire release. And that's not directed completely at you, you're not the only one who's push the box office numbers.
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Now, coming in on time, under budget and with no issues - that's a huge plus, no arguement there.
I'd also add that when he does a whole trilogy that i'd bet anything he has the full story mapped out before part 1 begins filming. He got no such luxury this time. He also won't have the OT to whiz all over this time either. Short of that, i'd have like TLJ a good deal more.
I know for people who don’t like TLJ they want retribution against Rian but that’s not going to happen.
I do not like what he did with Luke. Period. End of story. I do not seek retribution. I'd like IX to have a bit of a mea culpa aspect to it though.
As i've said, i don't think they have an over arching plan. They're making it up as they go along it seems. I hope that's wrong. I can admit to not like ESB at all when i first saw it. I was 9 and to me it was my heroes getting their butts kicked for 2 hours, the end. I came around after ROTJ when you see how it tied all together. I'm willing to wait til post IX to give a final verdict to 8.
This is, if 9 makes 8 more palpable - i fully believe it will be either damage control or simply JJ's idea. I don't think there was a plan at all for 9 when 8 was being written. It seems to have been, you finish 8 and we'll then start 9.