New Star Wars films from Game of Thrones duo

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  1. alienscollection.com

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  2. Bryancd

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    CONTENT!!!!
     
  3. JoeG

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    Just saw this. Interested to see what they'll come up with. When they are adapting GRRM's material on Game of Thrones, they're great. When they veer away from the source material, the outcome has been mediocre at best. Hopefully they have better luck with Star Wars.
     
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  4. Mr Webber

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    Proven, quality writers, seems they have learned their lesson and have begun the readjustment. Good news moving forward.
     
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    D&D take a lot of flack from ASoIaF book zealots, but consider the amount of time GRRM had to map out his story for each book, and look at how little time (both in terms of episodes per season, and between seasons) D&D has to provide substance that match the depth of GRRM's books, and it's one hell of a task. As one of those that feels ADWD felt phoned-in and unnecessarily contrived, I've been fairly happy with their work after a subpar season 5, where they had to start finding their way with new material. Does it feel as weighty overall? No. And oh man, did the Arya/Sansa/Littefinger arc feel amazingly underwhelming to me this past season...but I think they could do a really good job. They certainly know how to stage a "moment" on screen.

    Despite what the article reads, anyone think this might also be an attempt to have a "Plan B" in Disney's back pocket, on the heels of TLJ criticism?
     
  6. Mr Webber

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    I think we are seeing the real next trilogy writers right there.
     
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    More excited about this.....them guys have skills

    J
     
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  8. CutThumb

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    Yes they do. And its the production team they would bring with them as well. Given the amount of SW material being made they would need to top up on staff. Plus they are very familiar with many locations near to those used in SW. I wonder if the Prequel GOT TV series project is now on hold.
     
  9. SethS

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    Commence countdown to the inevitable OMG THEY’RE DOING KOTOR unconfirmed freak out.
     
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    Benioff and Weiss have said they arent involved with that.
     
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  11. Thain

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    Still have yet to see GoT, so I haven't actually seen their work, but this is really great news.

    It does worry me that we're getting another trilogy so quickly. My dad's been warning me about Disney over-saturating the market with Star Wars and I'm getting very concerned that's what is happening. I'm all for more Star Wars, but the more money and energy that gets put into increasing quantity, the less energy is spent on creativity.

    How many trilogies are we going to have at once now? Rian's trilogy, now this new trilogy, potentially another Skywalker trilogy, and potentially more anthology films sprinkled throughout...
     
  12. Mr Webber

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    Think about it, theres only going to be one trilogy coming and it will be from these guys. This is just a corporate way to water down the inevitable announcement.

    ADDITION....Stuff like this doesnt just pop out of the blue for no reason. TLJ has under performed and created the most division in Star Wars history.
     
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  13. SethS

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    I don't think the hate for Rian exists outside of fandom. The B.O. for TLJ has given Lucasfilm no reason to doubt him.

    I think they are laying off on the connected-to saga spin-offs, and that Rian's trilogy and this one will be it for now. Alternating release years.

    Probably smart to move into more original territory after the derision caused by the ST.

    That said, if these guys come out and say their trilogy is about Obi-Wan, I wouldn't complain.
     
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    As someone who has been quite disappointed with Disney Star Wars, I have to say, this is a dream come true.

    I'm incredibly excited to see what they can come up with. Maybe it's in an Old Republic setting, maybe it's exploring the drama, backstabbing, and power plays between imperial officers. There are so many possibilities.
     
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    Yes, the notion Rian isn't moving forward with his trilogy is wrong, he's recently discussed the start of the writing process. I agree they are likely to let the Saga films take some time off, do two separate film trilogies, more SW Story films, and develop a TV show.

    Update, was finally able to catch the Disney conference call highlights. Not only are all of these projects moving forward but with MULTIPLE TV projects for their new streaming service.
     
  16. Bryancd

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    Here is Iger's actual quote from the conference call. Sounds like they are making "films" but not necessarily a trilogy.
     

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  17. Jaitea

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    Yes, while Rian draws with his crayons on the floor, the GOT artists prepare their canvas

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    Incorrect. Disney has a major studio division capable of generating a lot of film product year in and year out. They want more content, not less. They want more filmmakers creating that content for them, not less. And it's not just because they want these films in theaters. When they launch their own streaming service, all of these films, the one's Rian does, the one's these guys do, and more yet to come, all will be content for them to add to their ap. This quote from Iger today is very telling about their content strategy. He knows unlike Netflix which has to take on a lot of risk financing new content that's unproven, Disney has these ace in the hole. So if anything look for more names to be added to their creative rooster working STAR WARS projects, not less.

    "When you go to market with Star Wars movies, Disney movies, Pixar movies, Marvel-branded and branded television shows under those umbrellas ... that will give us the ability to probably spend less than if we had gone to market with a direct-to-consumer service without these brands," Iger said.
     
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  19. Mr Webber

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    Exactly. We got a full blown Backfire Effect going on. Its mostly associated with the fake moon landing crew but its relevant here as well.
     
  20. Bryancd

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    These guys sound very excited!

    “In the summer of 1977 we traveled to a galaxy far, far away, and we’ve been dreaming of it ever since,” Benioff and Weiss said in a joint statement. “We are honored by the opportunity, a little terrified by the responsibility, and so excited to get started as soon as the final season of ‘Game of Thrones’ is complete.”

    Disney did not give a timeline for when these new Benioff and Weiss-penned films will hit theaters. On an earnings call, Disney CEO Bob Iger said that the two men had approached the studio with an idea a while ago. Even thought the duo made their name in television, Iger said they were not interested in doing something on the small screen.
    “Their interest was in creating a series of films that are ‘Star Wars’ based,” said Iger. “To my knowledge they didn’t express interest about a series.”
    Iger was mum on any plot details except to say that the writers and producers are “…focused on a point of time in the ‘Star Wars’ mythology.”




     
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  21. The Wook

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    I like Game of Thrones. But Game of Thrones is not Star Wars. So even if these guys are making fantastic writing contributions to GRRM's story--and I must confess, I don't know what content is his and what is theirs--my individual enjoyment of the series is no guarantee the duo would be successful writing a good Star Wars movie.

    The only way I could predict that, would be if I could assess their SWIQs. But with no opportunity to do that, all I can say definitively is that they've been recruited for this task by Disney, a studiio which has demonstrated thrice now, they have a hideously low SWIQ.

    So I cannot get excited about this. There are plenty of great writers in this world--and even the realm of sci-fi/fantasy entertainment--who could never make a good Star Wars movie, because they simply lack the requisite SWIQ to do so.

    I'd need an hour with each guy, to measure their SWIQs, and tell you whether or not they're up to the task.

    The Wook
     
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  22. Mr Webber

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    At least a good start at cleaning up the mess.
     
  23. The Wook

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    I almost always agree with you, Mr. Webber, but I cannot in this instance. I was fooled before by the recruitment of JJ Abrams. I was thrilled to have a guy of my generation, who grew up loving Star Wars, who was as lost by the SEs and PT as I was, at the helm of a new Star Wars movie. All his talk of a return to practical fx and makeup, etc. But he gave us an absolute steaming pile of schit, in TFA.

    So, just because LOST is so well done (albeit, unresolved), and ST09 a fun film, none of that translated over to his attempt at making a Star Wars film. Why? Because his SWIQ is abysmally low, and a high SWIQ is essential to making a good Star Wars movie.

    The Wook
     
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  24. Mr Webber

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    I agree with your disagreement. Its just that the bar has been set so low recently, the only way must surely be up. I dont want to see Star Wars fade away into over milked ,under prepared oblivion. I`m willing to give one more chance to guys that will not follow the same path.
     
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    In a related story, a lost tourist at Disneyland accidentally entered a room with a "Star Wars" sign on it , thinking it was part of the Star Tours attraction, and shot this video of Bob Iger.

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    The Wook
     
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  26. Mr Webber

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    LOL...Mr Backfire Effect himself...maybe second.
     
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  27. Jaitea

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    I hope that’s not a bull

    J
     
  28. egosheep

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    Interesting that they are developing multiple series of films with the same creative teams. I wonder if they will be shooting some back to back the way Cameron is doing Avatar? It seems like there is just not enough time for one director to be delivering these films every two years, if they have to be in full pre-production for another while one is shooting.

    Hope they will learn from their mistakes of the sequel trilogy and actually map out a good story for all the connecting movies before they start shooting. If only they had some kind of dedicated group of people inside Lucasfilm whose job depended on keeping the story straight.:facepalm
     
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  29. The Wook

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    It is a bull--that's how low the Mouse's SWIQ is. :lol
     
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  30. Mr Webber

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    Here they are. I dont think their jobs depend on it though which is probably why we are where we are right now.

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    I loves me some GoT. Still, I can't help but wonder if we're approaching "market over-saturation" with the Star Wars IP.

    EDIT - and now Iger announces “multiple” SW TV shows in the works for Disney’s upcoming streaming service. When do you suppose the Law of Diminishing Returns will start kicking in?
     
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  32. egosheep

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    Thanks Mr Webber. It's hard not to lay a generous dollop of blame for the current situation on the Story Group. They should have stopped putting comic book dialog under the canon microscope long enough to see if the story of the new trilogy actually made sense.
     
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  33. Mr Webber

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    None of them were even born when the OT hit, shows doesnt it.
     
  34. squirk

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    Sweet Christ, I ****ing hate “The Star Wars Show”.
     
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  35. Sluis Van Shipyards

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    I'm reserving judgement until I hear the time period they're set in. I'm completely done with any new post ROTJ SW.
     
  36. PantheraGem

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    Is there anyone who actually laughs at the "jokes", or finds the hosts even slightly tolerable?
     
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  37. squirk

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    Only sociopaths and the insane.
     
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    Quite so. No freak out, but I would love to see one of these projects be KOTOR-based.
     
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  40. The Wook

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    I cannot exactly say there is a correlation between someone's SWIQ and whether or not they saw Star Wars in the summer of '77. Because I know a lot of people who possess a very low SWIQ, who did, in fact, see the film during its initial theatrical run. So, having seen Star Wars in '77 does not mean it's likely you possess a high SWIQ.

    However, this correlation does exist:

    If you do possess a high SWIQ, it is very likely you saw Star Wars in '77.

    The Wook
     
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    Disneys trying to get everyone that was * at RJs movie to come back to the franchise, while getting GOT audience, AND the real reason.... hey guys, were sorry the last film, and the next one are gonna suck,, but please bear with us as we get the GOT guys into this....... Also KK comes from the Producing realm,,,,so naturally most decisions are going to be business first
     
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  42. Mr Webber

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    Luckily I`ve never seen it, saw these guys on a You Tube video that was roasting the hell out of em.
     
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    We need a link to that.
     
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    I don’t want to be combative, but again, the box office has made it clear that the outrage for TLJ comes from hardcore fandom. The masses don’t really care. And Kathleen Kennedy is not a suit— she is a hands on film producer with over 30 years of experience. She has produced practically every hit Speilberg has ever had. This is not an “apology” move— it’s a decision to hire people known to fandom— just like JJ was.
     
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    So here is the list of existing content and the list of upcoming content compiled into one:

    -The Phantom Menace
    -Attack of the Clones
    -Revenge of the Sith
    -Solo
    -Rogue One
    -A New Hope
    -The Empire Strikes Back
    -Return of the Jedi
    -The Force Awakens
    -The Last Jedi
    -Episode 9
    -Rian Johnson Trilogy 1
    -Rian Johnson Trilogy 2
    -Rian Johnson Trilogy 3
    -GOT Trilogy 1
    -GOT Trilogy 2
    -GOT Trilogy 3

    Droids Cartoon

    Ewoks Cartoon

    An Ewok Adventure

    The Battle for Endor

    Gendy Tartovsky Clone Wars TV Mini series

    Dave Filoni Clone Wars

    Rebels

    2-3 TV Series for Disney Streaming

    Planned/ Rumored Films

    Boba Fett Stand Alone
    Obi-Wan Stand Alone
    Yoda Stand Alone

    Lobot- How to Aide a Miner
    Admiral Ackbar- Something smells fishy, like a trap!
    Yarna Del Gargan -How I became fat
    Jabba the Hutt -Please pass the frogs
    Greedo- A Rodian's Tale
    Bib Fortuna- Misfortune of a Major Domo
    Jawa Twin Suns Adventure Time!
    Sebulba Origin Film (Title Forthcoming)
    General Dodonna- The search for Cassian Andor
    3PO: The golden butt
    R2-D2bacca: The R2-D2 Chewbacca Duo Quest film
    Get 'Em Wormy! -Luke Skywalker's foolproof guide to bullseyeing Womp Rats
    Darklighter: Freedom Fighter!
    X-Wing Squadron: Porkins Strikes Back!
    TIE Pilot Training video: How to fly with sunglasses on
    Tauntauns in the wild! A Nature film
    Hitting all the high Nodes: The rise and fall of Figrin Da'an - A musical history
    Eecheewa! - A linguists guide to speaking fluent Ewok
    Cooking with Ketwol: The Cantina's secret bar recipes
    Klattu, Barada, Nikto: It's a pirates life for me

    And many, many more.....
     
  46. JD

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    This brings the Luke & Leia angle to a whole new light... I feel icky just thinking about it.
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  47. Lord Boron

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    The writing quality on GOT dipped considerably once they moved beyond the guidance of the books, so we'll see how this turns out.
     
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  48. Mr Webber

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    The box office for TLJ has made it clear that people were initially drawn in by the prospects Abrams had set up in TFA and the massive drop off is the result of total under delivery on those prospects. TLJ made exactly 100 million dollars less than TFA in China and the standard party line is that China doesnt care about Star Wars so the hard core fan logic hold`s zero water on that. Cant have it both ways.

    Waiting till over 80-90% of a movie has been filmed before throwing it all out and starting again does not suggest that the leadership is qualified for the job either just quietly.
     
  49. Mr Webber

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    It was something from a while ago so trying to find it now with all the critical videos of TLJ and Disney is like searching through Funny Cat videos.
     
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    You’re definitely right about the drop off, that had to have taken them by surprise. But I don’t think comparing it to TFA is the right benchmark. The hype of being what it was made it impossible to top, and I don’t think they expected it to do so. The first new SW movie, with the return of the OT cast? That was lightning in a bottle. It’s sitting a little below a billion domestic— nothing is going to touch that.

    Right now TLJ is out performing Rogue One, which most fans like, and no one called that a failure.

    You could be right, it’s hard to say cause the budget for TLJ hasn’t been determined publicly. But if it is in the same ballpark as R1 and TFA and they didn’t blow a wad on marketing, it’s turned a profit. Did it hit whatever mark Disney wanted it to? Who knows.
     

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