Poll: What did you think of Star Wars: The Last Jedi?

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    Mar 13, 2018, 10:14 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3776

    I never got into the Dave Filoni Clone Wars, or Rebels and so never bought them.

    I bought TFA. I enjoyed it. It was the only Star Wars film since Return of the Jedi that came close to the OT (I mean let's be honest it was a soft reboot of ANH.) but it was fun. Not perfect, but fun and introduced us to characters that I was excited to get to know and perhaps even love. It had a lot of potential.

    I saw Rogue One once. I wasn't all that impressed, though there were parts I enjoyed and the space battles were pretty cool. I didn't feel the need to own it so I never bought it.

    I saw The Last Jedi once. Never again. I will not be buying it either. I'm voting with my wallet. If all Disney wants is my money then they won't be getting it. I won't even get it to complete the 9 series trilogy of trilogies. I sincerely doubt I will bother buying 9 either and not very likely I would buy Solo when it gets released.

    As much as I hate the prequels I would take any of them over The Last Jedi any day. I would take horrible forced love stories, boring political dialog, and unclear character motivations, all acted lifelessly in front of a bluescreen over The Last Jedi. At least they had an overall plot, some great production design and best of all, they didn't ruin Luke Skywalker, one of my most beloved cinema heroes since I was five years old.

    I know I said I would quit this thread but I think I'm just still in shock as to what this has come to. With every new article I read, it's evident how much disdain they truly have for their fanbase. I don't know about all of you fine folks here but I don't like being talked down to. I know Kathleen Kennedy and company are likely going to explain the dip in DVD/Bluray's, digital downloads, toy sales, and such on the fact that TFA was the first new Star Wars film in 10 years since ROTS, but that won't be the whole truth. If the sales dip it will be because they allowed Rian Johnson to make a bad film and they have tried to play it off as if audiences are either too dumb to get it or they must be sexist/ racist. I don't take to kindly to accusations like that for having a valid opinion about a bad movie.
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    Mar 13, 2018, 10:31 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3777

    One thing TLJ proved is that brand matters over content.

    Star Wars didn't need a reboot. TFA did so well at the box office because it was Star Wars. Period. It had the OG characters.

    Rogue One also - everyone knew what was going to happen, and it still brought in $$$.

    TLJ only backs that up. It deconstructed and demolished Luke, the Force, and everything else about the franchise right before our eyes. And it also brought in the bucks.

    It doesn't matter what the story is, as long as Star Wars is slapped on it = $$$$.

    Only now, a portion of the fan base is getting wise to it. Watch Solo tank, and watch Disney blame fans for that too.

    DVD sales of TLJ will be interesting to see



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    Mar 13, 2018, 10:36 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3778

    I agree with you to a point. Those rules don't apply in China for instance where TLJ did so bad that they pulled it from theaters. In fact they changed the name of Solo: A Star Wars Story to Ranger Solo to try and trick audiences into seeing it. They didn't even have the Star Wars name attached to it for fear that people there would avoid it like the plague.

    Whatever Star Wars movie soured our collective experience, be it TPM or TLJ, it was our love for the series that always brought us back in the hope that the next one would make up for that bad one. For some it became morbid curiosity, just to see how they wrapped it all up.

    I'm not sure even morbid curiosity can save them financially. If changing the name of Solo isn't clue enough....
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    Mar 13, 2018, 11:07 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3779

    Star Wars under GL was about fun,myth,sci-fi etc..under Disney it is about indoctrination,that is what I hope fans are wise too.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 12:05 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3780

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    TLJ only backs that up. It deconstructed and demolished Luke, the Force, and everything else about the franchise right before our eyes. And it also brought in the bucks.
    It brought in bucks, sure, but it's 736 million off of TFA. That's not in keeping with the narrative of it being a masterpiece delivered by the best director Lucasfilm has had the pleasure of working with. Disney and KK can keep up their maniacal grins, but how can this be seen as anything but a lukewarm success at best? If it had made another 500 million I could see them possibly standing by Rian but as it is now, he's toxic to the brand and his movie not only underperformed, it bitterly divided the fanbase. I think once the smoke clears off the blu ray release, RJ will exit stage left. It's not like there aren't 7 other SW movies being developed for them to hype.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 12:20 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3781

    Something tells me they will double down and just keep defending him. It's too late for them to fire him now after he made them all this money so I doubt that his trilogy is really in any danger of not being made.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 12:30 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3782

    Psab keel said: View Post
    Something tells me they will double down and just keep defending him. It's too late for them to fire him now after he made them all this money so I doubt that his trilogy is really in any danger of not being made.
    Doesn't it strike you as weird that they would announce a trilogy before his movie is even released? It seems like a pretty blatant PR move, and I admit it worked on me. I thought, "Damn, this movie must be something else!" But now I very much doubt it will get made. Lord and Miller were 2 weeks short of finishing principal photography when they got fired. It's easy to cancel his trilogy when so many other movies are being developed, you have IX next, GoT dudes, Simon Kinberg project, etc. There's no poster, no trailer, and no hype for a RJ trilogy. Maybe it will depend on how Solo does... if it flops it will shine a brighter light on the downward trend and negativity that TLJ ushered in.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 12:57 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3783

    I thought the same thing when I first heard . If they are planning a whole other trilogy with him then they must be incredibly confident in TLJ. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that they only announced it to get people even more hyped for Ep. 8, which worked on me and subsequently dashed my hopes. We will see though. After there was so much negative press with Lord and Miller getting canned and then Colin Treverrow getting canned, you gotta wonder what their mindset is now.

    If they even care about the negative reviews from fans (which I doubt as they will likely only respond if sales aren't as projected) then it begs the question, would they risk firing ANOTHER director, even after he made one Star Wars film? Who the hell knows.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 8:35 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3784

    Well maybe we'll get luck again, and episode IX will be the saving grace of the trilogy, like ROTS was for the prequels. Although admittedly, I enjoyed AOTC much more than TLJ.

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    Back in 2002 or whenever Attack of the Clones came out I was excited to see it because I loved the Phantom Menace (I was only 10). But I remember leaving the theater feeling suddenly disinterested and deflated about Star Wars as a whole to the point where I didn't even see Revenge of the Sith. Exact same thing happened when I saw the Last Jedi. I enjoyed both the Force Awakens and absolutely loved Rogue One so naturally i was eager to see this. But like Attack of the clones before it this film kind of killed my enthusiasm for the rest of the trilogy and Star Wars as a whole.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 8:56 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3785

    el toro said: View Post
    Well maybe we'll get luck again, and episode IX will be the saving grace of the trilogy, like ROTS was for the prequels. Although admittedly, I enjoyed AOTC much more than TLJ.
    We'll see as I'm not totally writing off episode IX yet. With the advent of this new trilogy I was finally getting a reinvigorated interest in Star Wars again after years of it being dormant. Then the Last Jedi came along and killed that interest like AOTC before it. That happen to anybody else?
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    Mar 14, 2018, 10:27 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3786

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    We'll see as I'm not totally writing off episode IX yet. With the advent of this new trilogy I was finally getting a reinvigorated interest in Star Wars again after years of it being dormant. Then the Last Jedi came along and killed that interest like AOTC before it. That happen to anybody else?
    Same here, I still say out of all the prequels I think TPM is the best (relatively speaking of course). Like you I was a kid when I first saw it and I liked it, although I felt that it wasn't really right but couldn't really put a finger on it. AOTC I straight away hated when leaving the cinema and I've only seen it once ever since when I had my "let's revisit the prequels to see if they're really that awful...they are" session a few years back.
    The difference is that my like for TPM is gone now and there are no happy nostalgic memories at all, so it's not an issue for me to just block out the prequels and ignore them. TLJ on the other hand has taken TFA with it down the drain for me and that's the part I'm most unhappy about.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 11:23 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3787

    Let's see. TFA was a rehash of ANH. To some degree, TLJ borrowed elements from both ESB and ROTJ. So, unless they do a retread of the prequels. Episode IX should be completely new territory. We may not like it, but it will be new
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    Mar 14, 2018, 11:48 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3788

    I feel the same. The announcement of a new trilogy had me excited. I spent a lot of time on the webs, diving back into all things Star Wars which lead me to the world of saber building, TCSS, FX Sabers and eventually to the RPF. The release of TFA came, riding the nostalgia train all the way to the bank. At the time, I was on board. It was clearly a soft reboot but it featured our beloved heroes and introduced some new mostly likeable characters, setting the stage for this new trilogy. Then RJ took a crap in his hand, threw it at the fanbase then wiped it on JJ’s face.
    At this point, curiosity will be my only reason to watch IX, although I question JJ’s ability to create a compelling conclusion and doubt anything will improve TLJ in the overall story arc ......sorry, I mean arc, there is no story.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 11:52 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3789

    If the bottom line is not to their satisfaction, Iger will personally give him the boot!


    Psab keel said: View Post
    if sales aren't as projected) then it begs the question, would they risk firing ANOTHER director, even after he made one Star Wars film? Who the hell knows.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 2:13 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3790

    I bought the UHD advance digital release and I have to say....

    If any of you haven't seen it yet, the 95-minute documentary in TLJ with the Director's journey is quite a treat to see and probably one of the best more in-depth making-of featurettes I have seen in years for any film, probably since the Lord of the Rings Appendices. Whether you like the movie or not so much, it's a very cool behind-the-scenes look I wish they would do more often with films they've gotten so sloppy with making in supplemental content in more recent years.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 2:21 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3791

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    Let's see. TFA was a rehash of ANH. To some degree, TLJ borrowed elements from both ESB and ROTJ. So, unless they do a retread of the prequels. Episode IX should be completely new territory. We may not like it, but it will be new
    That's one thing I appreciated about Rogue One is that it didn't adhere to the usual Star Wars plot structure. Or atleast not as much as the TFA or TLJ. The benefit of being a singular film not connected to a trilogy (until the end anyway). Rogue One also reminded me most of the kind of Star Wars I grew up with. As in it was a bit more adult and serious opposed to the other new films which understandably seem more constructed to appeal to children. Not only the films but I remember Star Wars games from the 90's like Dark Forces and Shadows of the Empire were often pretty bleak and scary.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 3:28 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3792

    Listening to Rian rattle off his rationalizations in these TLJ featurettes is just infuriating. Can't really process them individually right now... so much wasted potential. It's like me writing a play on a Waffle House napkin and then getting Julie Taymor to take it to Broadway with no edits.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 5:06 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3793

    Tan Djarka said: View Post
    Let's see. TFA was a rehash of ANH. To some degree, TLJ borrowed elements from both ESB and ROTJ. So, unless they do a retread of the prequels. Episode IX should be completely new territory. We may not like it, but it will be new
    It's written and directed by Jar Jar Abrams, it will borrow heavily from something.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 5:54 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3794




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    Nobody puts Rey in a corner.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 6:16 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3796

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    Mar 14, 2018, 8:10 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3797

    I hate that fight scene, it is one of the worst choreographed movie fights I've ever seen.

    Jackie Chan once said that if you fight multiple opponents then you have to give them something to do or be occupied with when they are not directly engaging, which makes perfect sense.

    Here they gave them spinning around, "you're not actually fighting anyone at the moment, thats ok, go spin in the corner".

    They actually managed to make a lightsaber fight lame.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 8:26 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3798

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    I hate that fight scene, it is one of the worst choreographed movie fights I've ever seen.

    Jackie Chan once said that if you fight multiple opponents then you have to give them something to do or be occupied with when they are not directly engaging, which makes perfect sense.

    Here they gave them spinning around, "you're not actually fighting anyone at the moment, thats ok, go spin in the corner".

    They actually managed to make a lightsaber fight lame.
    This right here. But how many times have I heard this described as the best fight sequence in the whole saga? Choreography doesn't mean much if your characters are just going through the motions. The next time we see Rey after the fight, she's grinning in the gunner seat having the time of her life. There's no weight to anything she just experienced or heard from Kylo, and she makes it off the Supremacy like a 10th grader sneaking out of study hall.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 10:29 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3799

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    It's written and directed by Jar Jar Abrams, it will borrow heavily from something.
    Kylo, now thinking he's a big Sith Lord will probably take an apprentice and call him Darth Kelvin.
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    Mar 15, 2018, 4:53 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release) #3800

    @MooCriket. Dude, you’re on fire with your posts lately


    When the guard wraps that chain thing round Reys blade and pulls her to him, did anyone else think ‘turn it off you ****!’?

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