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Totally agree with Cutthumb on this .. exact same feeling from me ...
I totally love ROTS now.You know what this movie made me do?? LOVE REVENGE OF THE SITH!!
I have a new appreciation for it.... It really is the best of the prequels. I find it to be a far better film than TLJ. Think about this for a second. In TLJ there is not a single lightsaber duel. Another new low for a Star Wars movie.
I just think it's such a waste of narrative potential to separate the old guard and the new into two completely separate camps. It would have worked a lot better if they would have used Han's death as the catalyst to unite our new heroes with Luke and Leia, have them battle it out side by side, and have our new heroes begin to outshine the old heroes after they've earned the reward at the end of their arc.
While I do agree with wishing for a more solid fellowship between the characters, I must point out that Rey isn't a point of a love triangle in this trilogy like Leia was for the OT.I totally love ROTS now.
You know what was great about infinity war? Because of it's payoff, it made the other films better. It connected a lot of dots. I even watched "the first avenger" the other night, and it's now better.
The last Jedi doesn't do this. It actually tears things down. I didn't like TFA much before but now it's way worse. Because the seeds it planted were wasted.
You know what bugs me? Abrams didn't have the sense to build our new characters into a "fellowship". Rey and Poe never even share screen time. And that broken relationship lasted through the entirety of TLJ.
Imagine is Leia and han didn't meet until the last scene in ESB.
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Ironic coming from somebody with Shatner as his avatar.Nah, you gotta stamp out the past and kill it. The new generation don't have to earn anything, they're privileged now.
I just think it's such a waste of narrative potential to separate the old guard and the new into two completely separate camps. It would have worked a lot better if they would have used Han's death as the catalyst to unite our new heroes with Luke and Leia, have them battle it out side by side, and have our new heroes begin to outshine the old heroes after they've earned the reward at the end of their arc.
Hamill once suggested in an interview that he thought the ideal entrance for Luke would have been at the end of TFA, during the fight between Finn, Rey and Kylo. There's that moment after Rey and Finn have been essentially bested and Kylo reaches out to "force grab" Rey's saber from the snow. Hamill said that as he was reading the script, he assumed the saber would fly through the air and land in Luke's hand.
Can you imagine it? That would have been one of the most rousing moments in movie history.
It would have but it also would have undercut the character of Rey, she never would have had the opportunity to discover it's The Force that's inside her, guiding her, as she did when Kylo Reminded her.
I know, Bryan, I get that part of the argument but I still think they could have made it work if they had chosen that path from the very beginning. Rey's potential could have been glimpsed in episode 7 and fully explored in the next two movies.
I just think that with a series this unique, and after a 35 year hiatus (for the OT characters), the writers had an obligation to find a way to make it work.
Yeah, I get that instinct but when JJ and Kasdan got the Arendt treatment they said every time they brought in Luke it shut down the new characters. I do think there was a top level story group decision that the new characters receive priority and the OT characters a supporting role, all the participants, including Mark acknowledge that was their marching orders. We can debate the merits of that decision but it was made and it's how the films are moving forward. Personally, I like the new characters and appreciate the OT crew helping them along the way, I never needed another Luke moment. Others will feel differently, clearly.
Fair enough. I doubt it will ever happen, but it would be interesting to see Arndt's outline someday.
Ironic coming from somebody with Shatner as his avatar.
Hamill once suggested in an interview that he thought the ideal entrance for Luke would have been at the end of TFA, during the fight between Finn, Rey and Kylo. There's that moment after Rey and Finn have been essentially bested and Kylo reaches out to "force grab" Rey's saber from the snow. Hamill said that as he was reading the script, he assumed the saber would fly through the air and land in Luke's hand.
Can you imagine it? That would have been one of the most rousing moments in movie history.
This. The entire premise of TLJ is to kill off the past and move on to something new. Yet, the very core of the entire story, the culmination and all important beats are Luke. The movie is about Luke's journey. About Luke's past, his current state and his return to "glory". Rey is pretty marginal. The rest is very much a filler. The movie tries to twist, change, alter the Luke character hoping to tone him down, but at the same time it still puts him out in the front, centre, he's under the bonnet, he is the engine of the entire movie. And even in this beaten, smeared and odd state Luke outshines and takes over everything every second he's on screen. I just don't get how disjointed this concept is.Luke is still shutting down the new characters. Now more than ever. Even if he wasn't doing it in the movies, he's definitely dominating the discussion outside of them.
Nevermind, he just likes to call people names.I don't get your point. Are you saying I didn't earn the avatar?
Mmmm, I'm with Bryan on this one TBH. When I first saw the movie in the theatre I thought there would be a green lightsaber igniting in the background during a fateful moment there or that the blue saber will fly to Luke, and in the back of my head there was a little thought that did not want that. Because the scene is really well constructed as it is, by that time we are full-on with these 3 new characters, we know exactly what they've been through, what's inside their heads, why they're fighting each other...by that point I really was won over by the characters and it would indeed have taken the momentum away if Luke showed up. This is why I didn't like the TLJ fight scene (or TPM duel for instance). Our heroes are just fighting...stuff. They're doing the boss-level fight, there's no emotional impact of the fight itself. The TFA duel has so much emotion and character-work going on, I like how it was built up..
As we hurtle toward Episode IX, the new characters will be thought of and discussed less and less, and the fate of Luke will be discussed more and more. I'm right in this, even if some don't want me to be.