IN DEFENSE OF LUKE'S THINKING OF KILLING BEN!!!!
Alright kids, I saw it again last night.
I actually have turned my opinion a lot on this flick since my first viewing... And last night I was thinking about Luke watching his academy burn and then realized he'd have to work his way through that burning nightmare and find the bodies of his students... at that point I had a realization.
Luke was pretty justified in his wanting to kill Ben reaction...
NOW.... while Luke wasn't necessarily aware of the two examples from the prequels, let's look at the history of "Force Visions of the FUTURE!!!!"
LUKE
They were in pain.
YODA
It is the future you see.
LUKE
Future? Will they die?
Yoda closes his eyes and lowers his head.
YODA
Difficult to see. Always in
motion is the future.
Our introduction to seeing the future with the force... Luke's FIRST vision... was of Han and Leia on Bespin.
He has this vision, Yoda says the future is always in motion, but then uke finds out that Han was tortured, frozen in carbonite, and then spent 3 years working on freeing him. So from this one example, Luke must be pretty solid in his feelings that he can trust his senses.
We then have Anakin in the prequels having visions of his mothers death - which then happened - and a vision of padme dying in child birth... ALSO happened.
Yoda and the Jedi masters felt Anakin's future was too clouded and thus didn't even want to train him.
Rey saw that Kylo would betray Snoke, by just touching him, and wasn't wrong. Kylo saw Rey would turn, and we don't know that she won't at this point.
So when LUKE walks into Kylo's tent, because he sensed evil in him, then looks into his future and saw what Ben would become (which may have even BEEN the temple burning, and ALL HIS STUDENTS DEAD IN FRONT OF HIM - HAN DYING - PLANETS WITH MILLIONS OF SOULS DESTROYED... We only heard screaming)
Why is it so hard to believe that for one second Luke thought of killing him?!?!?!
We're talking millions of deaths. Suffering.
Best friends. Entire planets.
The rise of a new Empire.
The Rebels being snuffed out.
but he turned on his lightsaber and everyone is all "LUKE WOULD NEVER!!!!!!!!!"
Luke didn't do it, and it turns out THAT vision was correct as well... Ben did kill MILLIONS of people. MILLIONS.
From Luke's point of view, what he saw in Ben's future in that moment was to him a CERTAINTY... he has no reason to believe otherwise. He knows about the rise of Sidious, so he has been told of the events, and likely how it was foreseen as well.
Anyway, this may have been covered to death, but I haven't read every page of this thread and it really stood out to me last night.
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IN DEFENSE OF FIN'S SIDE QUEST!!!
Joking! that was just dumb. How would Maz know where the guy would be gambling a few hours from then... so dumb. Who was shooting the video of her fighting? Why didn't they seem to care that she could be killed at any moment while talking to her.
That whole thing was dumb.
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Well thought out, I can see your point, but I can't agree.
Also, Ben didn't kill millions of people. HUX killed millions of people, and Snoke gave Hux the go-ahead ("go, prepare the weapon"). Hux have the speech, which ended with the word "fire!". Kylo was busy looking for Han...
(Similar with Vader, people attribute the destruction of Alderaan to him, yet Tarkin was the military leader who gave the order. Vader wasn't even fond of the death star, but this is beside the point).
The reason I can't agree, in spite of your reasoning: I see the quote from Yoda to Luke "Always in motion is the future" as a lesson to mean you can't change what hasn't happened, it's futile. Don't try.
Add to that, there's a lot of story we're not filled in on; Leia suspected issues with Ben, hence the training with Luke. The darkness in Ben wasn't a surprise. There must have been countless opportunities for Luke to assess Ben, and consider options.
Ultimately I can see Luke snapping in the heat of the moment, but the audience isn't given enough information to have it make sense. And then, after that, to abandon the galaxy and let this known dark force user to run rampant, (and he surely must have known of and felt Snoke) and just give in? This guy who's call to action was watching his Aunt and Uncles smoldering corpses?
Theres just not enough story/information in the movie to back up his decisions, imo. These are things so out of character, that they required some exposition in order to have any gravity. That's the issues I have with that stuff...
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