X-Men First Class Movie Discussion

[Alan Castillo]

Some may get upset. Here. But that's here on the RPF. It's part of the reason of the site's very existance.

In the 'real world' most don't give a hoot, and are happy with "The Russians made it for me"

 

[BDK]

I was perfectly happy with "The Russians made it for me" with no other explination. I don't care about the history of the helmet just that it was in the movie.

 

[Alan Castillo]

Me too.







But the continuity relationship-thingy was still bad :lol

 

[rodneyfaile]

I Hopefully, there will be a direct sequel ..... X-Men in the 70s would be awesome.

That would be awesome!

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I still think its simply a gap in continuity and nothing that complex :angel

Well, we'll all know if they make more. Heck, they may try to explain what went wrong between Xavier and Mystique... or... they may actually make good on the director's claim that it is its own story and not related to the others.

Anyway, though I don't really acknowledge X3, it still showed the extents Xavier is willing to go to suppress/oppress mutants to make them fit in. He did it to Jean Grey, because she was too powerful... and he's doing it to Logan, as the memory loss keeps him from realizing who and what he is - keeping him calmer and not a menace to society (however... the Wolverine movie kinda showed him being EXACTLY the same, if not more of a ***** prior to the memory loss than after... so... hmm... where's that animal with claws).

 

[digger2307]

they may actually make good on the director's claim that it is its own story and not related to the others.

see I'm confused on this point. I have read several interviews and articles on First class and early on they say it is an in continuity prequel. Then others saying its not but it will have nods to the previous films. Then others saying its a total reboot, and then back to "yes its in continuity"

What they upto? do they just wanna keep it as open as possible so they can do what they want if they get funding for a sequel?

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Seems like it's to keep everything open, so they aren't confined, if they decide to do more. If First Class is the only one, it fits in nicely with the rest (in part) and can be left as in continuity.

 

[JLeezy23]

If they used up all continuity/history on this single film, than the sequel (if they decide) would kinda be lame cuz there would be no exposition to fill the gaps between this one and X1 and would probly be a flop. I think they have ideas on the leftover stuff for more movies, but just need a good story to write them into

 

[Yarko]

I am wondering if Magneto will order Emma Frost to perform a memory erase on Mystique because she refuses to fight against Xavier or hurt him somehow. That would explain a lot of things

 

[Alan Castillo]

I am wondering if Magneto will order Emma Frost to perform a memory erase on Mystique because she refuses to fight against Xavier or hurt him somehow. That would explain a lot of things

Hmmmm. Good 'idea'. But she'd have to do it on both of them. That would sort it out for me

 

[Jeyl]

Just saw X-Men First Class last night. Gotta say I enjoyed it a lot more than what my assumptions were going to be.

However, if I could point out one glaring flaw, it would be the film's discrimination towards mutants. It's not the mutants we should mistrust, it's mutant women. After all, it was only the female mutants who switch to becoming bad guys just moments after they've witnessed them murdering a lot of people in front of their very eyes (Magneto only attempting to). I guess that's a common mutant trait for women. Attempt to murder a lot of people, they'll join you 110%.

 

[firesprite]

Just saw X-Men First Class last night. Gotta say I enjoyed it a lot more than what my assumptions were going to be.

However, if I could point out one glaring flaw, it would be the film's discrimination towards mutants. It's not the mutants we should mistrust, it's mutant women. After all, it was only the female mutants who switch to becoming bad guys just moments after they've witnessed them murdering a lot of people in front of their very eyes (Magneto only attempting to). I guess that's a common mutant trait for women. Attempt to murder a lot of people, they'll join you 110%.

I posted this earlier, but it's a couple pages back so it might've been missed. Here's my opinion on it:
Angel made sense if you look at it in terms of the culture of the time. She was not only a woman, but a black woman who worked in a strip club. Chances are good that she'd heard her whole life that she would never have the chance to be anything more than what she wound up as... and here you have Shaw who is charming and tangibly powerful who is offering her the chance to rise above that as opposed to the more repressive Xavier who wants her to 'fit in'.

 

[DARTH SABER]

Just saw it tonight and loved it.
Through out the film I thought I was watching some kind of Connery era Sci-fi Bond film which never got released in the 60's.
Bacon's character even had a Bond type villian vibe, and the closing credits reminded me of the Bond credit intros.

 

[superDrool]

Just saw it tonight and loved it.
Through out the film I thought I was watching some kind of Connery era Sci-fi Bond film which never got released in the 60's.
Bacon's character even had a Bond type villian vibe, and the closing credits reminded me of the Bond credit intros.

Yeah it was a nice touch and breath of fresh air from that in-your-face action of today, they knew what they were looking for in terms of feel and look due to to it being a period piece, but in the end they were having a grand old time with those credits.

 

[dreaminspired]

I personally was disappointed in this movie, the only bit i did actually enjoy was the recruitment montage.

i had a hard time staying awake. i wasn't necessarily disappointed, but i expected way more than what i got after reading this thread.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

i had a hard time staying awake. i wasn't necessarily disappointed, but i expected way more than what i got after reading this thread.

So, just out of curiosity... what did you want more?

Guess there is truth to easily being disappointed if the expectations are too high. Which is usually why I don't read threads about a movie I'm going to see, until after I've seen it. Don't want to get spoiled and don't want my hopes jacked up unrealistically, even if the reviews are honest and true to the quality of the movie.

 

[dreaminspired]

i'm not really sure...
i definitely didn't like any of the villains except emma frost. sebastian shaw was ok but not really how i envision him outside of the comic books and in the real world. kevin bacon didn't help in adding to the illusion. every time he walked into a scene my mind kept saying "oh there's kevin bacon" and not "oh there's sebastian shaw".
that teleporting devil guy was just lame and way too much like nightcrawler to not make me wish it was nightcrawler the whole time. the dude with the tornado powers was so generic it was painful. "angel" hahaha.... nuff said.

prof x was awesome. magneto was pretty cool. banshee was sweet.
it was a little hard to believe that the kid could learn how to fly that quickly and be able to control it to the point where he was as big an asset to the mission as he was. in fact, it was pretty hard to believe that any of those kids would have been an asset to the mission considering how little they knew about their powers and how little time they actually trained before they left. (didn't one of them say they learned a lot this week? meaning they trained for a week?)

i liked the costumes, although i'm still waiting for someone to wear a mask... i mean, one of the only reasons that i've ever wanted to be a super hero was so i could wear a sweet-ass mask. i would think that those kids would feel the same way.

i guess i liked it now that i think about it. it just seemed lackluster and sort of hurried.
that's my critique... lackluster and hurried but good.

best x-movie by far.

 

[Crimsonnaire]

OK. First, wow! I had no idea there's a forum dedicated to movie discussions. I was looking all over the OT forum and wondeirng to myself, "Was this movie that bad that no one wants to talk about it?"

Alright, so reboot or prequel? Maybe the guy didn't know the meaning of the word, 'reboot,' or maybe the word, 'prequel,' was utterly absent from his vocabulary and just used 'reboot' to describe the meaning of 'prequel'? Because if this was intended to be a reboot, it's short a few sheets of a clean wipe. You don't use the same cast, same setting, same events to depict a reboot. Heck, by this standard of reboot, Star Wars episodes 1-3 could be considered a reboot of the 4-6 franchise... But, wait, some of you already do! Never at any point as a viewer did I interpret this film as a reboot, but simply a prequel. As such, I wrestled with the blunt inconsistencies. So Charles gets paralyzed, yet manages to walk by the events of X-men Origins: Wolverine at the expense of losing all his hair to the stress of trying, then gets paralyzed again. Magneto goes off on his own initiative, but Frost is captured by Stryker and subsequently freed by Wolverine after being drafted to Nam and getting his adamantium. Then he gets back with Charles to recruit Jean Grey, then leaves again. And between the end of First Class and X3, Moira develops a permanent Scottish accent, cause that happens, you know?

Other than these, yeah, loved the movie. High five with all of you. Bring on more, baby!

 

[AdamNightmare]

OK. First, wow! I had no idea there's a forum dedicated to movie discussions. I was looking all over the OT forum and wondeirng to myself, "Was this movie that bad that no one wants to talk about it?"

Alright, so reboot or prequel? Maybe the guy didn't know the meaning of the word, 'reboot,' or maybe the word, 'prequel,' was utterly absent from his vocabulary and just used 'reboot' to describe the meaning of 'prequel'? Because if this was intended to be a reboot, it's short a few sheets of a clean wipe. You don't use the same cast, same setting, same events to depict a reboot. Heck, by this standard of reboot, Star Wars episodes 1-3 could be considered a reboot of the 4-6 franchise... But, wait, some of you already do! Never at any point as a viewer did I interpret this film as a reboot, but simply a prequel. As such, I wrestled with the blunt inconsistencies. So Charles gets paralyzed, yet manages to walk by the events of X-men Origins: Wolverine at the expense of losing all his hair to the stress of trying, then gets paralyzed again. Magneto goes off on his own initiative, but Frost is captured by Stryker and subsequently freed by Wolverine after being drafted to Nam and getting his adamantium. Then he gets back with Charles to recruit Jean Grey, then leaves again. And between the end of First Class and X3, Moira develops a permanent Scottish accent, cause that happens, you know?

Other than these, yeah, loved the movie. High five with all of you. Bring on more, baby!

My thought process on reboot/prequel:

They reboot the series in the sense that all of the awful storylines from the earlier movies are no longer canon to this storyline. However, some of the actors portraying the X-Men were awesome. This gives them the opportunity to keep the good and boot the bad. As long as we get Kelsey Grammer back as Beast "the adult version," and keep Hugh Jackman and Rebecca Romijn, I'll be ok with some overlap and continuity exceptions.

 

[digger2307]

i'm not really sure...
i definitely didn't like any of the villains except emma frost. sebastian shaw was ok but not really how i envision him outside of the comic books and in the real world. kevin bacon didn't help in adding to the illusion. every time he walked into a scene my mind kept saying "oh there's kevin bacon" and not "oh there's sebastian shaw".
that teleporting devil guy was just lame and way too much like nightcrawler to not make me wish it was nightcrawler the whole time. the dude with the tornado powers was so generic it was painful. "angel" hahaha.... nuff said.

prof x was awesome. magneto was pretty cool. banshee was sweet.
it was a little hard to believe that the kid could learn how to fly that quickly and be able to control it to the point where he was as big an asset to the mission as he was. in fact, it was pretty hard to believe that any of those kids would have been an asset to the mission considering how little they knew about their powers and how little time they actually trained before they left. (didn't one of them say they learned a lot this week? meaning they trained for a week?)

i liked the costumes, although i'm still waiting for someone to wear a mask... i mean, one of the only reasons that i've ever wanted to be a super hero was so i could wear a sweet-ass mask. i would think that those kids would feel the same way.

i guess i liked it now that i think about it. it just seemed lackluster and sort of hurried.
that's my critique... lackluster and hurried but good.

best x-movie by far.

Sorry to say it man but January Jones as Emma Frost was by a mile the worst thing about this film. I wish they had got there first option Alice Eve to play her. Azezal is meant to be like nightcrawler becoz hes nightcrawlers dad, and mystique is his mum (hence teleporting and blue skin).

Agreed on riptide tho, he was pretty uninteresting.

In regards to training they make no real comment on how long they actually trained for, so could have been a week or a month who knows. The main premis of the film is the relationship between charles and erik.