Wolverine's Jackets
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Ok, alot of mis-information was passed around and I just went back and re-read ALL the posts through starting from page 1. Having all that information fresh in my memory, together with what I was told at Vanson this past weekend, this is the best explanation I could come up with:
I believe the screen-used X1 jacket was NOT horsehide leather but a softer version.
Jacket #2 IS horse-hide, no ifs, ands or butts about it. It was returned so, my guess is that two jackets were sent to production originally, the softer yellow striped one (#3) and this horse-hide red striped one (#2). Obivously, the harder jacket was sent back to Vanson. At this point in time, I believe that both jackets were made from the same patterns, just using different leather materials and different colored stripes. Thus, the patterning for jacket #2 is correct in it's cut and measurements.
I'm guessing MI9 dye was used for both jackets #2 and #3. Because of the difference in material, jacket #3 would appear to be darker. This is backed up by this picture:
If you look at the MI9 dyed swatch, this was NOT a swatch of horse-hide leather but something much more similar to the competition leather that Vanson now offers. Looking at the MI9 swatch and the MI9 dyed jacket #2 in person, I would absolutely agree that they both were dyed with the same color but the horse-hide jacket appeared to be slightly lighter in color compared to the MI9 swatch. The MI9 swatch was pretty dark... dark enough that I believe it would appear to be black on film under certain lighting conditions. You do see this in the picture above.
So, if a correlation is made here, that the MI9 swatch is closer in actual color to screen-used jacket #3... and you base your color selection for your jacket off of the MI9 swatch instead, then I would say that Walnut is the closest match to the MI9 swatch. The main difference between the two is that MI9 has a dark brown base color but it has red-hued veins throughout it, almost like marble. Walnut and Dark Brown do NOT exhibit this veining BUT B-3 Tan does. Could this veining eventually be acheived through weathering? Probably.
Now, with all this information I believe the correct choice in color would be Walnut. Dark Brown is just too dark and B-3 Tan is too light, it would be perfect if it had a darker value to it. I'd say with time, aging and constant use, the walnut color would eventually breakin and start exhibiting the veining pattern that MI9 has.
Just my $0.02,
- J.
I believe the screen-used X1 jacket was NOT horsehide leather but a softer version.
Jacket #2 IS horse-hide, no ifs, ands or butts about it. It was returned so, my guess is that two jackets were sent to production originally, the softer yellow striped one (#3) and this horse-hide red striped one (#2). Obivously, the harder jacket was sent back to Vanson. At this point in time, I believe that both jackets were made from the same patterns, just using different leather materials and different colored stripes. Thus, the patterning for jacket #2 is correct in it's cut and measurements.
I'm guessing MI9 dye was used for both jackets #2 and #3. Because of the difference in material, jacket #3 would appear to be darker. This is backed up by this picture:
If you look at the MI9 dyed swatch, this was NOT a swatch of horse-hide leather but something much more similar to the competition leather that Vanson now offers. Looking at the MI9 swatch and the MI9 dyed jacket #2 in person, I would absolutely agree that they both were dyed with the same color but the horse-hide jacket appeared to be slightly lighter in color compared to the MI9 swatch. The MI9 swatch was pretty dark... dark enough that I believe it would appear to be black on film under certain lighting conditions. You do see this in the picture above.
So, if a correlation is made here, that the MI9 swatch is closer in actual color to screen-used jacket #3... and you base your color selection for your jacket off of the MI9 swatch instead, then I would say that Walnut is the closest match to the MI9 swatch. The main difference between the two is that MI9 has a dark brown base color but it has red-hued veins throughout it, almost like marble. Walnut and Dark Brown do NOT exhibit this veining BUT B-3 Tan does. Could this veining eventually be acheived through weathering? Probably.
Now, with all this information I believe the correct choice in color would be Walnut. Dark Brown is just too dark and B-3 Tan is too light, it would be perfect if it had a darker value to it. I'd say with time, aging and constant use, the walnut color would eventually breakin and start exhibiting the veining pattern that MI9 has.
Just my $0.02,
- J.
LogansRunner
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Someone could pm me the correct details, and I could go back and edit the first post.
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Someone could pm me the correct details, and I could go back and edit the first post.
here is the pic i would use for color comp
the original leather would have been darker, but it would not have been real real dark, i would say that the jacket photo labeled #1 would have been the right color to start, then it was obviously beat up pretty good
so if you are aiming for a screen jacket you will need a pre-distressed brown, or you wil lhave to kill a new vanson to even come close.
the wested leather is just called "pre-distressed cow hide"
if you could find out more specefics it would work (or find one in vansons stock of leather)
the original leather would have been darker, but it would not have been real real dark, i would say that the jacket photo labeled #1 would have been the right color to start, then it was obviously beat up pretty good
so if you are aiming for a screen jacket you will need a pre-distressed brown, or you wil lhave to kill a new vanson to even come close.
the wested leather is just called "pre-distressed cow hide"
if you could find out more specefics it would work (or find one in vansons stock of leather)
I have this huge "keyring" of swatches that I was given at Vanson. I would say that B-3 Tan for the stripes is NOT a good choice. It's waaaay too dark. It wouldn't give you enough contrast with the GA2 leather. If anything, there's a swatch of Amber Tan that would be better.
However, the Gold swatch really isn't a bad color gold. It's not as yellow as the prior photos put up by KnightSaber would lead you to believe, there is alot more orange in there. I honestly would just stick to the Gold color for the stripes.
- J.
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However, the Gold swatch really isn't a bad color gold. It's not as yellow as the prior photos put up by KnightSaber would lead you to believe, there is alot more orange in there. I honestly would just stick to the Gold color for the stripes.
- J.
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The problem I see with H8ter's pic is that, that scene was filmed in a set with studio lighting. Remember they design the lighting so it matches the mood of the scene. I clearly remember the jacket's color being the same color as Wolverine's hair:coffe dark.
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The snow scene is the worst scene to look at anything. I listed, like, 1 million pages ago, in this thread, all the scenes were the jacket can be seen through-out the X1 movie. Being in dial-up, looking for that post will take me all day. Off the roof of my head, one of the best scenes is at the end, when Wolverine steals Cyclops's bike to go back to Canada. You can see the jacket in daylight there. Also, when the X-men are plotting Rogue's rescue inside Profesor X's office and in the room with the 3D map table. I listed way many more scenes.
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Even better, pop in the X-1 DVD and see for yourself.
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The snow scene is the worst scene to look at anything. I listed, like, 1 million pages ago, in this thread, all the scenes were the jacket can be seen through-out the X1 movie. Being in dial-up, looking for that post will take me all day. Off the roof of my head, one of the best scenes is at the end, when Wolverine steals Cyclops's bike to go back to Canada. You can see the jacket in daylight there. Also, when the X-men are plotting Rogue's rescue inside Profesor X's office and in the room with the 3D map table. I listed way many more scenes.
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The sandblasting would be to make it look worn-out, not darker. And yes, it makes it look lighter, but that should only be applied on certain areas, like were the seams meet, corners, seam boarders, etc. In fact, the sanding might be what reveals the soft brownish hues underneath the dark jacket.
Knightsaber
Sr Member
Well after everything that I have read, all of the pictures dijinn got, and all of the time that I have spent looking over screens from X1, I have come to the conclusion that the actual jacket used in the movie and the jacket Vanson has at their showroom are actually quite different...at least in the details.
1) I'm still convinced that the screen used jacket's waist stripes are thinner, like jacket #1
2) While jacket #2 has the snap back collar, the screen used jacket does not.
3) The screen used jacket has it's zipper pull on the left. After looking at an additional photograph, I have concluded that it is not a mirror image, but the pull IS on the left...Either that, or the collar tab is on the right...but which is more likely?
4) This may or may not be true, but the screen used jacket's chest zippers may have actually zipped UP to close, and not down. View post # 504 and look closely at the zipper...is it just my eyse?
I am making this post not to open a whole new can of worms, but to help show exactly HOW different the screen used jacket really is. If you want an EXACT screen accurate replica, you will have to have at least 3 of these (if not all 4) made specific to your order.
On another note, I can see now why there was so much confusion on both my end and Mike's end. See, he's looking at the jacket in the shop and thinking "That's what his jacket looks like" and I'm looking at the movie pictures available to me and think "That's not how is should be". They are two different distinct jackets. I may make a trip to Vanson next month or so and see if I can get a more screen accurate jacket made up. I still love my current jacket, but if I have a chance to get something closer to what was seen in the movie, then I will.
Oh, and a BIG thanks to djinn, for making the trip and getting all of the pics and info.
- John
1) I'm still convinced that the screen used jacket's waist stripes are thinner, like jacket #1
2) While jacket #2 has the snap back collar, the screen used jacket does not.
3) The screen used jacket has it's zipper pull on the left. After looking at an additional photograph, I have concluded that it is not a mirror image, but the pull IS on the left...Either that, or the collar tab is on the right...but which is more likely?
4) This may or may not be true, but the screen used jacket's chest zippers may have actually zipped UP to close, and not down. View post # 504 and look closely at the zipper...is it just my eyse?
I am making this post not to open a whole new can of worms, but to help show exactly HOW different the screen used jacket really is. If you want an EXACT screen accurate replica, you will have to have at least 3 of these (if not all 4) made specific to your order.
On another note, I can see now why there was so much confusion on both my end and Mike's end. See, he's looking at the jacket in the shop and thinking "That's what his jacket looks like" and I'm looking at the movie pictures available to me and think "That's not how is should be". They are two different distinct jackets. I may make a trip to Vanson next month or so and see if I can get a more screen accurate jacket made up. I still love my current jacket, but if I have a chance to get something closer to what was seen in the movie, then I will.
Oh, and a BIG thanks to djinn, for making the trip and getting all of the pics and info.
- John
Here's a quick collage of screengrabs I just took from the X1 DVD:
After reading Knightsaber's post, I have to agree with him on a few things:
1) He is correct, there is no snap back collar on the jacket in the movie. Look at the image in the top left.
2) I believe he is correct in stating that the zipper pull is on the left. Look at the top right image and you can make out the letters P-O-R-T on the label in the beer bottle. That proves the image wasn't flipped.
3) About the stripes being smaller... I compared the front of the stripes with the size of the zipper pull. They are both roughly the same length. If you look at the bottom right image, you can see that the front of the stripes are roughly the same size at the zipper pull. I've checked several images and this does appear to be the case. So, I'd say 1-1/2" for the front of the stripes is probably right in the ballpark. I'm still not sure about the rear width of the stripes.
4) About the zippers closing up instead of down... I need to research this abit more. In the 2 bottom left pictures, it looks like the zippers are closed but you don't see the zipper pull tab at the top. But if you look at the picture in the top right, you can see that the zipper pull tab is on the bottom and it looks like the pocket is open.
I'll do some more screengrabs tomorrow.
- J.
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After reading Knightsaber's post, I have to agree with him on a few things:
1) He is correct, there is no snap back collar on the jacket in the movie. Look at the image in the top left.
2) I believe he is correct in stating that the zipper pull is on the left. Look at the top right image and you can make out the letters P-O-R-T on the label in the beer bottle. That proves the image wasn't flipped.
3) About the stripes being smaller... I compared the front of the stripes with the size of the zipper pull. They are both roughly the same length. If you look at the bottom right image, you can see that the front of the stripes are roughly the same size at the zipper pull. I've checked several images and this does appear to be the case. So, I'd say 1-1/2" for the front of the stripes is probably right in the ballpark. I'm still not sure about the rear width of the stripes.
4) About the zippers closing up instead of down... I need to research this abit more. In the 2 bottom left pictures, it looks like the zippers are closed but you don't see the zipper pull tab at the top. But if you look at the picture in the top right, you can see that the zipper pull tab is on the bottom and it looks like the pocket is open.
I'll do some more screengrabs tomorrow.
- J.
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Knightsaber
Sr Member
HEY. Now those are some great screens you got there. I've been wanting to see some screens like that for a while. Back to the stripe length real quick, I agree that the width should be 1 1/2" at the zipper...I just think that the width at the back is much closer to 5" even. The taper just appears to be much less steep than on jacket #2. And with these screen grabs, how do we feel about the collar? Was the movie verison rounded or square? I'm pretty indiffernt about it, but just throwing it out there.
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Here's a quick collage of screengrabs I just took from the X1 DVD:
After reading Knightsaber's post, I have to agree with him on a few things:
1) He is correct, there is no snap back collar on the jacket in the movie. Look at the image in the top left.
2) I believe he is correct in stating that the zipper pull is on the left. Look at the top right image and you can make out the letters P-O-R-T on the label in the beer bottle. That proves the image wasn't flipped.
3) About the stripes being smaller... I compared the front of the stripes with the size of the zipper pull. They are both roughly the same length. If you look at the bottom right image, you can see that the front of the stripes are roughly the same size at the zipper pull. I've checked several images and this does appear to be the case. So, I'd say 1-1/2" for the front of the stripes is probably right in the ballpark. I'm still not sure about the rear width of the stripes.
4) About the zippers closing up instead of down... I need to research this abit more. In the 2 bottom left pictures, it looks like the zippers are closed but you don't see the zipper pull tab at the top. But if you look at the picture in the top right, you can see that the zipper pull tab is on the bottom and it looks like the pocket is open.
I'll do some more screengrabs tomorrow.
- J.
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The Mantis
Sr Member
This is what I think (agree with Djjin):
Walnut color/cow hide/gold stripes
Done and done.
Walnut color/cow hide/gold stripes
Done and done.
aljf
Sr Member
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[/b][/quote]It looks to me that GA2 for the jacket and to get the rust look B3 Tan for the stripes ?? I still dont understand why you cant get a MI9 color for the jacket, not the hard bullet type leather just the M19 color. :unsure
Ok then GA2 and gold for the stripes
Thanks - J
aljf :confused
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ok
heres my take on the jacket
-zipper pull is on the left
-front pockets zip down to open, up to close
-stripe width, defintly thinner in the front then now on the vansons
-as far as color its kinda a crap shoot, it was a darker brown, but then destroyed, and then probably oiled
so it really just depends on who is looking at it, and what the lighting is.
im not knocking vanson but how can the maker of the jacket used not even know these details?
i mean come on, someone there made this jacket? do they not work there anymore? or did they just forget?
btw, where is vanson located anyways?
im not saying not to buy from vanson, but Wested has almost all of these minor details correct, the main problem with wested is the way the back is cut, the waist stripes end at the side seam.
what kind of leather does vanson use now? cow hide? they no longer use the real stiff leather? that was the only reason i wanted a vanson, cus i thought they used that real tough last forever stuff.
my .02$
heres my take on the jacket
-zipper pull is on the left
-front pockets zip down to open, up to close
-stripe width, defintly thinner in the front then now on the vansons
-as far as color its kinda a crap shoot, it was a darker brown, but then destroyed, and then probably oiled
so it really just depends on who is looking at it, and what the lighting is.
im not knocking vanson but how can the maker of the jacket used not even know these details?
i mean come on, someone there made this jacket? do they not work there anymore? or did they just forget?
btw, where is vanson located anyways?
im not saying not to buy from vanson, but Wested has almost all of these minor details correct, the main problem with wested is the way the back is cut, the waist stripes end at the side seam.
what kind of leather does vanson use now? cow hide? they no longer use the real stiff leather? that was the only reason i wanted a vanson, cus i thought they used that real tough last forever stuff.
my .02$
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Vanson is located in Fall River, MA. Just look on their website for their address and contact info.
The leather that they are recommending now instead of horsehide is this grade refered to as competition leather. It's definately alot more pliable than horsehide, the jackets I put on made of horsehide felt bulletproof. The competition leather is much more forgiving and will bend and conform to your body. But I don't think it's any less durable than horsehide because they make all of the full professional bike-racing suits out of the competition leather. If it's good enough for someone doing 100+ mph on a racebike, then it's good enough for me.
- J.
Vanson is located in Fall River, MA. Just look on their website for their address and contact info.
The leather that they are recommending now instead of horsehide is this grade refered to as competition leather. It's definately alot more pliable than horsehide, the jackets I put on made of horsehide felt bulletproof. The competition leather is much more forgiving and will bend and conform to your body. But I don't think it's any less durable than horsehide because they make all of the full professional bike-racing suits out of the competition leather. If it's good enough for someone doing 100+ mph on a racebike, then it's good enough for me.
- J.
So, after going through the X1 DVD thoroughly, this is what I've come up with:
Wolf Style
Competition Leather
Walnut Color
Gold Stripes
1-1/2" stripe width on the front
5-3/8" stripe width on the back
Walnut colored gussets
Front pocket zippers, zip up to close
Main Zipper pull-tab on the left-hand side
Collar tab rounded
Collar tab, no snap-back
After closely studying scenes from the movie, I'm pretty certain that the front pocket zippers close-up. I did some screengrabs to try and support this statement but just looking at a still of the pockets doesn't help because they always look like they are closed. You have to watch the action and see how the pockets bulge outwards to really notice that they are open. The previous collage of screengrabs I posted, shows the bulging out of the front pocket the best with the pull-tab obviously on the bottom. So, I'm pretty secure in stating that the front pockets zip up to close and down to open.
Here's the close-up screengrab of the collar tab:
You can see the stitching around the corners trying to round them off.
And for those of you still deciding on what color to choose, here's some screengrabs at the end of the movie where Wolverine comes out of the X-mansion in the daylight. It's probably one of the better references for the color of the jacket... thanks for the headsup on where to look GuntahKela:
Hopefully, that has cleared up a few things.
- J.
Wolf Style
Competition Leather
Walnut Color
Gold Stripes
1-1/2" stripe width on the front
5-3/8" stripe width on the back
Walnut colored gussets
Front pocket zippers, zip up to close
Main Zipper pull-tab on the left-hand side
Collar tab rounded
Collar tab, no snap-back
After closely studying scenes from the movie, I'm pretty certain that the front pocket zippers close-up. I did some screengrabs to try and support this statement but just looking at a still of the pockets doesn't help because they always look like they are closed. You have to watch the action and see how the pockets bulge outwards to really notice that they are open. The previous collage of screengrabs I posted, shows the bulging out of the front pocket the best with the pull-tab obviously on the bottom. So, I'm pretty secure in stating that the front pockets zip up to close and down to open.
Here's the close-up screengrab of the collar tab:
You can see the stitching around the corners trying to round them off.
And for those of you still deciding on what color to choose, here's some screengrabs at the end of the movie where Wolverine comes out of the X-mansion in the daylight. It's probably one of the better references for the color of the jacket... thanks for the headsup on where to look GuntahKela:
Hopefully, that has cleared up a few things.
- J.
Knightsaber
Sr Member
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There were probably always 2 different versions. The one that made it in the film, and the one vanson has. It's not that they forgot, but are probably indifferent to the details. Think about it, Vanson is first and foremost a motorcycle jacket company. They're probably not concerned with which way the zips open, or which size the main zipper pull is on...until people like us come along...
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In my opinion, Vanson is still the best way to go for Wolverine jackets. It's not the minute details that make this jacket, but the sheer quality of the leather and craftsmanship. Wested has a decent jacket, I'll give 'em that, but it is NO match for Vanson.
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Yeah, it's cowhide...and this stuff WILL last forever. I compared it wity my brother's wested WoW jacket, and well...there is no comparison, trust me.
- John
There were probably always 2 different versions. The one that made it in the film, and the one vanson has. It's not that they forgot, but are probably indifferent to the details. Think about it, Vanson is first and foremost a motorcycle jacket company. They're probably not concerned with which way the zips open, or which size the main zipper pull is on...until people like us come along...
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In my opinion, Vanson is still the best way to go for Wolverine jackets. It's not the minute details that make this jacket, but the sheer quality of the leather and craftsmanship. Wested has a decent jacket, I'll give 'em that, but it is NO match for Vanson.
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Yeah, it's cowhide...and this stuff WILL last forever. I compared it wity my brother's wested WoW jacket, and well...there is no comparison, trust me.
- John
dragnink
Well-Known Member
The second photo looks too saturated with orange, here's the color-corrected version more close to what your eyes would see on the street. I used the denim shirt underneath the jacket to reference from.
Everyone's monitors are set up with different color temperatures/calibration, so results might vary. My "whites" are perfectly white on my screen running at 11000K.
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Everyone's monitors are set up with different color temperatures/calibration, so results might vary. My "whites" are perfectly white on my screen running at 11000K.
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So, after going through the X1 DVD thoroughly, this is what I've come up with:
Wolf Style
Competition Leather
Walnut Color
Gold Stripes
1-1/2" stripe width on the front
5-3/8" stripe width on the back
Walnut colored gussets
Front pocket zippers, zip up to close
Main Zipper pull-tab on the left-hand side
Collar tab rounded
Collar tab, no snap-back
After closely studying scenes from the movie, I'm pretty certain that the front pocket zippers close-up. I did some screengrabs to try and support this statement but just looking at a still of the pockets doesn't help because they always look like they are closed. You have to watch the action and see how the pockets bulge outwards to really notice that they are open. The previous collage of screengrabs I posted, shows the bulging out of the front pocket the best with the pull-tab obviously on the bottom. So, I'm pretty secure in stating that the front pockets zip up to close and down to open.
Here's the close-up screengrab of the collar tab:
You can see the stitching around the corners trying to round them off.
And for those of you still deciding on what color to choose, here's some screengrabs at the end of the movie where Wolverine comes out of the X-mansion in the daylight. It's probably one of the better references for the color of the jacket... thanks for the headsup on where to look GuntahKela:
Hopefully, that has cleared up a few things.
- J.
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i would say that the collar tab is not rounded, but is square.
as far as horse hide, why cant they use that anymore? thats pretty lame if you ask me. stupid rules
as far as wested leather goes, the War of Worlds jacket is made from lambskin, which should be much softer than cow-hide.
the X1 that i have from wested is cow hide, and i cannot sit down comfortably with the jacket zipped, it is pretty stiff stuff.
im really interested in the horsehide leather though, like colecash's jacket, i dont really care about being able to bend comfortably
i want it to last forever, and i bet it weathers better since its so rigid
as far as stripe color goes, look back around page 17 or so in this thread of a guy who get a wested, and used some oil on it, the stripe color was like a light tan when he put oil on it they turned an orangish color, so maybe keep that in mind when getting your jackets, i dont think this would happen to the gold color, but i could be wrong, try to oil up your swatch or something.
as far as horse hide, why cant they use that anymore? thats pretty lame if you ask me. stupid rules
as far as wested leather goes, the War of Worlds jacket is made from lambskin, which should be much softer than cow-hide.
the X1 that i have from wested is cow hide, and i cannot sit down comfortably with the jacket zipped, it is pretty stiff stuff.
im really interested in the horsehide leather though, like colecash's jacket, i dont really care about being able to bend comfortably
i want it to last forever, and i bet it weathers better since its so rigid
as far as stripe color goes, look back around page 17 or so in this thread of a guy who get a wested, and used some oil on it, the stripe color was like a light tan when he put oil on it they turned an orangish color, so maybe keep that in mind when getting your jackets, i dont think this would happen to the gold color, but i could be wrong, try to oil up your swatch or something.
Knightsaber
Sr Member
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Any Vanson jacket you get is made of top quality hide. When I first got my jacket it was VERY stiff. Now it couldn't quite stand up like Cole's, but trust me, the thickness of this leather is very impressive. I've broken it in a bit now and it's much nicer to wear than when I first got it. There is really no reason to have a super stiff jacket unless you plan on racing with it. Check out this link to the Vanson site: http://www.vansonleathers.com/signature_ga...ood_jackets.htm
I checked out your wested pics. If it is cow, it's definitely very different from Vanson's leather. The drape makes it look much softer. Like the way the collar tab falls outward followed by the body. Still a decent jacket though.
- John
im really interested in the horsehide leather though, like colecash's jacket, i dont really care about being able to bend comfortably
i want it to last forever, and i bet it weathers better since its so rigid
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Any Vanson jacket you get is made of top quality hide. When I first got my jacket it was VERY stiff. Now it couldn't quite stand up like Cole's, but trust me, the thickness of this leather is very impressive. I've broken it in a bit now and it's much nicer to wear than when I first got it. There is really no reason to have a super stiff jacket unless you plan on racing with it. Check out this link to the Vanson site: http://www.vansonleathers.com/signature_ga...ood_jackets.htm
I checked out your wested pics. If it is cow, it's definitely very different from Vanson's leather. The drape makes it look much softer. Like the way the collar tab falls outward followed by the body. Still a decent jacket though.
- John
Well, I just got off the phone with Mike from Vanson. He's been trying to log onto the boards and he's tried registering with 2 different e-mail addresses but he still can't login. He's been dying to answer some the points that have come up but just hasn't been able too. Anyway, he mentioned a few things:
1) The jacket that they have hanging in the store is NOT horsehide like I thought it was, it is MI9 leather. Now, I thought MI9 was a dye color but apparently, it's a type of leather that comes colored already. MI stands for Mirage (the type of leather) and then the number afterwards corresponds to a color. Here's a picture showing all the various MI leathers:
The jacket in the store uses MI9 and MI6 for the stripes.
2) The jacket in the store that is made of MI9 leather is numbered S1. The "S" stands for single. The jacket used in the movie was numbered S2. Both were made off of the same patterns at the same time. The S2/movie jacket was 100% made of horsehide, NOT cowhide. Horsehide comes in 3 colors: tan, brown and black. Horsehide is NOT dyed, it's whatever the natural color of the horse is. Obviously, brown is the horsehide used in the movie. I believe Mantis spoke with Dawn (ex-Vanson employee) who stated the jackets made for the movie were cowhide. Mike was pretty adamant that the movie jacket was horsehide.
3) Mike acknowledged the detail differences in the jacket as has been pointed out in the last couple of days. He did say the movie jacket obviously doesn't have a snap-back collar. He's not sure what's going on with the front pocket zippers either or the front zipper mechanism being on the left-side of the jacket. His theory for the left-handed zipper pull is that the jacket probably went out on the right-hand side. ALL men's jackets have the zippers on the right-hand side. During the weathering process, production probably broke the zipper off. Now when the zipper mechanism gets broken off, the side that was permanently attached to the zipper-teeth widens up and you can't get it back on correctly. But, the other side of the zipper mechanism retains it's original shape. Mike thinks that the costume department permanently reattached the zipper mechanism to the left-hand side and since the zipper is never used, it wasn't much of a loss.
Now, that said... taking all of Mike's points into account, I went ahead and ordered my jacket like this:
Wolf Style
Walnut
Walnut colored gussets
Gold Stripes - 1-1/2" in front and 5-3/8" in back
Front pockets zip up to close
No snap back on collar
The only thing I didn't go with is the left-handed zipper. In garments, left-handed zippers are for women and right-handed zippers are for men. I'm used to a right-handed zipper and since I plan to wear this jacket day in and day out to break it in, I'll stick to what I'm used too.
- J.
1) The jacket that they have hanging in the store is NOT horsehide like I thought it was, it is MI9 leather. Now, I thought MI9 was a dye color but apparently, it's a type of leather that comes colored already. MI stands for Mirage (the type of leather) and then the number afterwards corresponds to a color. Here's a picture showing all the various MI leathers:
The jacket in the store uses MI9 and MI6 for the stripes.
2) The jacket in the store that is made of MI9 leather is numbered S1. The "S" stands for single. The jacket used in the movie was numbered S2. Both were made off of the same patterns at the same time. The S2/movie jacket was 100% made of horsehide, NOT cowhide. Horsehide comes in 3 colors: tan, brown and black. Horsehide is NOT dyed, it's whatever the natural color of the horse is. Obviously, brown is the horsehide used in the movie. I believe Mantis spoke with Dawn (ex-Vanson employee) who stated the jackets made for the movie were cowhide. Mike was pretty adamant that the movie jacket was horsehide.
3) Mike acknowledged the detail differences in the jacket as has been pointed out in the last couple of days. He did say the movie jacket obviously doesn't have a snap-back collar. He's not sure what's going on with the front pocket zippers either or the front zipper mechanism being on the left-side of the jacket. His theory for the left-handed zipper pull is that the jacket probably went out on the right-hand side. ALL men's jackets have the zippers on the right-hand side. During the weathering process, production probably broke the zipper off. Now when the zipper mechanism gets broken off, the side that was permanently attached to the zipper-teeth widens up and you can't get it back on correctly. But, the other side of the zipper mechanism retains it's original shape. Mike thinks that the costume department permanently reattached the zipper mechanism to the left-hand side and since the zipper is never used, it wasn't much of a loss.
Now, that said... taking all of Mike's points into account, I went ahead and ordered my jacket like this:
Wolf Style
Walnut
Walnut colored gussets
Gold Stripes - 1-1/2" in front and 5-3/8" in back
Front pockets zip up to close
No snap back on collar
The only thing I didn't go with is the left-handed zipper. In garments, left-handed zippers are for women and right-handed zippers are for men. I'm used to a right-handed zipper and since I plan to wear this jacket day in and day out to break it in, I'll stick to what I'm used too.
- J.
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yeah i have to fold it over like that (and have been for the past 2 months) to get it to stay down
if not it looks like this
also i just noticed something in those X1 screen grabs
the left arm of logans jacket appears to be missing the top stripe, lets see who goes all out for a screen accurate jacket with that detail
yeah i have to fold it over like that (and have been for the past 2 months) to get it to stay down
if not it looks like this
also i just noticed something in those X1 screen grabs
the left arm of logans jacket appears to be missing the top stripe, lets see who goes all out for a screen accurate jacket with that detail
