saberlover
Well-Known Member
What I would like is to be able to call Vanson, say I want the Woverine X1 jacket, and $500 later and a month or so later have it show up........lol
Wolverine's Jackets
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mmvanson
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<div class='quotetop'>(h8ter18 @ Nov 15 2006, 07:47 PM) [snapback]1358479[/snapback]</div>
Well how about you order a standard size, recieve the jacket put it on and that 559.00 jacket does not fit, then you call me and tell me the problem and then I say "sure you can send it in for a repair" and then you ask me how much it cost and I say "all repairs to any particular garment is 60.00 hr" and then you say no thanks and now you have a jacket that doesn't fit when you should have had it made to your measurments seeing how they are all made by hand (no machines, real people)
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Well how about you order a standard size, recieve the jacket put it on and that 559.00 jacket does not fit, then you call me and tell me the problem and then I say "sure you can send it in for a repair" and then you ask me how much it cost and I say "all repairs to any particular garment is 60.00 hr" and then you say no thanks and now you have a jacket that doesn't fit when you should have had it made to your measurments seeing how they are all made by hand (no machines, real people)
mm
yeah but at $559 the jacket should be made to fit you, im not trying to get into a wested vs vanson argument here or anything, but when i ordered my jacket from wested they said, send us your measurments so we can cut the jacket so it fits you, and they didnt chanrge anything extra for it, i even had them alter their patteren some and they didnt charge me, also they told me if the jacket does not fit right that i can send it back and they will alter it (free of charge)
im sure your jackets are really nice, but these changes should be free, if someone wants the sleeves a little shorter, you are not using as much leather, so how can you charge extra for that? yeah i know they are made by hand, but so was mine......
im sure your jackets are really nice, but these changes should be free, if someone wants the sleeves a little shorter, you are not using as much leather, so how can you charge extra for that? yeah i know they are made by hand, but so was mine......
mmvanson
New Member
<div class='quotetop'>(h8ter18 @ Nov 16 2006, 10:03 AM) [snapback]1358804[/snapback]</div>
well I don't know what to tell you.............go to Wested and get a replica of a replica or go to Vanson and get a replica of the movie jacket from the company that made the movie jacket..
well I don't know what to tell you.............go to Wested and get a replica of a replica or go to Vanson and get a replica of the movie jacket from the company that made the movie jacket..
Knightsaber
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(mmvanson @ Nov 16 2006, 10:25 AM) [snapback]1358831[/snapback]</div>
Well said Mike. I don't think I would go to Vanson for an Indiana Jones jacket...
- John
Well said Mike. I don't think I would go to Vanson for an Indiana Jones jacket...
- John
<div class='quotetop'>(h8ter18 @ Nov 16 2006, 10:03 AM) [snapback]1358804[/snapback]</div>
OK, I don't work for Vanson but before this gets any uglier, keep in mind that typing out a post and then reading it on a forum does not translate as well as being able to converse with someone in person.
Mike: I have absolutely nothing against you, you're a great guy and I appreciate all the help you've made and offered but your posts are coming across a little abbrasive. I don't think you mean too, because talking to you in person, you have passion for your work and the company you work for and again, you are a great guy. I just don't want anyone who happens to read through this topic walk away thinking, "Man that Mike is a prick and I won't buy anything from Vanson now cause of his attitude." Believe me, Mike is anything but this.
h8ter18: In an ideal world we would all be able to afford Porsches or Ferraris or McLarens. But in the real world, certain manufacturers charge more for their products because they can... and certain manufacturers try to sell volume, albeit at a lower cost and quality. I don't walk into Prada and demand that they lower their price or throw in free alterations for a leather jacket that retails for $3,000 because I'm shopping at Prada. I know if I buy anything there, I will get bent over and have to pay for it. It's the same reasoning here... Vanson sells a quality product at a price point that they can move the item at. Sure, you can find it cheaper elsewhere and it's your perogative to do so, as well as voice your dissatisfaction with a company. And if you act on your dissatisfaction by not purchasing a jacket through Vanson, then more power to you.
I don't want to see this thread turn into an argument thread where people walk away with a bad opinion of Vanson because of some innocent statements that ultimately baited a representative from a manufacturer to respond. I'm not a mod here but hopefully, we can all be adults.
That all said... Vanson makes a quality garment and I do not have a problem paying more for "Vanson Quality". And after all the trouble they went through to help us RPFers out, a public backlash like this isn't the correct way to show them our appreciation.
Just my $0.02,
- J.
<div class='quotetop'>(mmvanson @ Nov 16 2006, 10:25 AM) [snapback]1358831[/snapback]</div>
OK, I don't work for Vanson but before this gets any uglier, keep in mind that typing out a post and then reading it on a forum does not translate as well as being able to converse with someone in person.
Mike: I have absolutely nothing against you, you're a great guy and I appreciate all the help you've made and offered but your posts are coming across a little abbrasive. I don't think you mean too, because talking to you in person, you have passion for your work and the company you work for and again, you are a great guy. I just don't want anyone who happens to read through this topic walk away thinking, "Man that Mike is a prick and I won't buy anything from Vanson now cause of his attitude." Believe me, Mike is anything but this.
h8ter18: In an ideal world we would all be able to afford Porsches or Ferraris or McLarens. But in the real world, certain manufacturers charge more for their products because they can... and certain manufacturers try to sell volume, albeit at a lower cost and quality. I don't walk into Prada and demand that they lower their price or throw in free alterations for a leather jacket that retails for $3,000 because I'm shopping at Prada. I know if I buy anything there, I will get bent over and have to pay for it. It's the same reasoning here... Vanson sells a quality product at a price point that they can move the item at. Sure, you can find it cheaper elsewhere and it's your perogative to do so, as well as voice your dissatisfaction with a company. And if you act on your dissatisfaction by not purchasing a jacket through Vanson, then more power to you.
I don't want to see this thread turn into an argument thread where people walk away with a bad opinion of Vanson because of some innocent statements that ultimately baited a representative from a manufacturer to respond. I'm not a mod here but hopefully, we can all be adults.
That all said... Vanson makes a quality garment and I do not have a problem paying more for "Vanson Quality". And after all the trouble they went through to help us RPFers out, a public backlash like this isn't the correct way to show them our appreciation.
Just my $0.02,
- J.
well said
and im not taking anything said as offensive, and i hope im not coming across like that either.
but the issues with the vanson jacket just seem ridiculous to me, your right about being the company that made the jacket, but why can another company make the jacket closer to the movie than you guys
i know you are helping out alot with this, but these are problems that shouldn't exist.
and as i said about the alterations, thats not an attack thats just how i personally feel, i would expect to go to JC Pennys and just get a standard medium jacket no mater how i fit in it for that price, but this is a quality made jacket at a high price and should be custom sized to begin with.
all of the complaints with the Wolvie jackets and hassle you could probably go to a local leather shop and have one made for you, for that price, and hand pick your leathers, it seems like we all know the pattern of the jacket and the little details we want.
again im not saying dont buy a vanson, im sure its a high quality kick ass jacket,
but being the original makers the consumer shouldnt have to tell you how to make the jacket look right.
and im not taking anything said as offensive, and i hope im not coming across like that either.
but the issues with the vanson jacket just seem ridiculous to me, your right about being the company that made the jacket, but why can another company make the jacket closer to the movie than you guys
i know you are helping out alot with this, but these are problems that shouldn't exist.
and as i said about the alterations, thats not an attack thats just how i personally feel, i would expect to go to JC Pennys and just get a standard medium jacket no mater how i fit in it for that price, but this is a quality made jacket at a high price and should be custom sized to begin with.
all of the complaints with the Wolvie jackets and hassle you could probably go to a local leather shop and have one made for you, for that price, and hand pick your leathers, it seems like we all know the pattern of the jacket and the little details we want.
again im not saying dont buy a vanson, im sure its a high quality kick ass jacket,
but being the original makers the consumer shouldnt have to tell you how to make the jacket look right.
Knightsaber
Sr Member
I'll say this. For some strange reason, the jacket we see ON screen is not like Vanson's original pattern. Whether there was another pattern that has somehow been forgotten about or the person who put the movie jacket together decided to make it different, or the wardrobe dept. altered it themselves, Vanson's jacket is what it is. I'm not sure if they would be interested in making a new pattern to fit what is on screen, but it might stop all this craziness.
Mike, this might sound crazy to you because you only know what you are told...but I truly believe that there was another pattern...one like we see on page 23, with the slim waist stripes and colored piping around the chest zippers...It was VERY early on...The pictures are dated from '99 so that's a while back. I'm not sure if any of the art folks that worked back then are still around, but they might know. Maybe you can do some research on this jacket with the knowledge that it was made in '99 (if that date is right). Vanson still has the best jacket for what is seen on screen in my opinon. Wested is nice and they have a few of the small details, but it is lacking very key elements that throws the look off.
- John
Mike, this might sound crazy to you because you only know what you are told...but I truly believe that there was another pattern...one like we see on page 23, with the slim waist stripes and colored piping around the chest zippers...It was VERY early on...The pictures are dated from '99 so that's a while back. I'm not sure if any of the art folks that worked back then are still around, but they might know. Maybe you can do some research on this jacket with the knowledge that it was made in '99 (if that date is right). Vanson still has the best jacket for what is seen on screen in my opinon. Wested is nice and they have a few of the small details, but it is lacking very key elements that throws the look off.
- John
We will get back to our "criticizing Vanson's business practice" commercial right after this short interruption from our original "Wolverine jacket" discussion show.
mmvanson
New Member
<div class='quotetop'>(dijinn @ Nov 16 2006, 11:31 AM) [snapback]1358897[/snapback]</div>
OK, I don't work for Vanson but before this gets any uglier, keep in mind that typing out a post and then reading it on a forum does not translate as well as being able to converse with someone in person.
Mike: I have absolutely nothing against you, you're a great guy and I appreciate all the help you've made and offered but your posts are coming across a little abbrasive. I don't think you mean too, because talking to you in person, you have passion for your work and the company you work for and again, you are a great guy. I just don't want anyone who happens to read through this topic walk away thinking, "Man that Mike is a prick and I won't buy anything from Vanson now cause of his attitude." Believe me, Mike is anything but this.
h8ter18: In an ideal world we would all be able to afford Porsches or Ferraris or McLarens. But in the real world, certain manufacturers charge more for their products because they can... and certain manufacturers try to sell volume, albeit at a lower cost and quality. I don't walk into Prada and demand that they lower their price or throw in free alterations for a leather jacket that retails for $3,000 because I'm shopping at Prada. I know if I buy anything there, I will get bent over and have to pay for it. It's the same reasoning here... Vanson sells a quality product at a price point that they can move the item at. Sure, you can find it cheaper elsewhere and it's your perogative to do so, as well as voice your dissatisfaction with a company. And if you act on your dissatisfaction by not purchasing a jacket through Vanson, then more power to you.
I don't want to see this thread turn into an argument thread where people walk away with a bad opinion of Vanson because of some innocent statements that ultimately baited a representative from a manufacturer to respond. I'm not a mod here but hopefully, we can all be adults.
That all said... Vanson makes a quality garment and I do not have a problem paying more for "Vanson Quality". And after all the trouble they went through to help us RPFers out, a public backlash like this isn't the correct way to show them our appreciation.
Just my $0.02,
- J.
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Your right, out of respect to the Vanson owners, and future Vanson owners I will only post when a question needs to be answered. Maybe this link will help explain how much work it takes to make a jacket, racesuit, and gloves ect........http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3017075767270283679&q=vanson+leathers
Thank You
<div class='quotetop'>(mmvanson @ Nov 16 2006, 10:25 AM) [snapback]1358831[/snapback]</div>
OK, I don't work for Vanson but before this gets any uglier, keep in mind that typing out a post and then reading it on a forum does not translate as well as being able to converse with someone in person.
Mike: I have absolutely nothing against you, you're a great guy and I appreciate all the help you've made and offered but your posts are coming across a little abbrasive. I don't think you mean too, because talking to you in person, you have passion for your work and the company you work for and again, you are a great guy. I just don't want anyone who happens to read through this topic walk away thinking, "Man that Mike is a prick and I won't buy anything from Vanson now cause of his attitude." Believe me, Mike is anything but this.
h8ter18: In an ideal world we would all be able to afford Porsches or Ferraris or McLarens. But in the real world, certain manufacturers charge more for their products because they can... and certain manufacturers try to sell volume, albeit at a lower cost and quality. I don't walk into Prada and demand that they lower their price or throw in free alterations for a leather jacket that retails for $3,000 because I'm shopping at Prada. I know if I buy anything there, I will get bent over and have to pay for it. It's the same reasoning here... Vanson sells a quality product at a price point that they can move the item at. Sure, you can find it cheaper elsewhere and it's your perogative to do so, as well as voice your dissatisfaction with a company. And if you act on your dissatisfaction by not purchasing a jacket through Vanson, then more power to you.
I don't want to see this thread turn into an argument thread where people walk away with a bad opinion of Vanson because of some innocent statements that ultimately baited a representative from a manufacturer to respond. I'm not a mod here but hopefully, we can all be adults.
That all said... Vanson makes a quality garment and I do not have a problem paying more for "Vanson Quality". And after all the trouble they went through to help us RPFers out, a public backlash like this isn't the correct way to show them our appreciation.
Just my $0.02,
- J.
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Your right, out of respect to the Vanson owners, and future Vanson owners I will only post when a question needs to be answered. Maybe this link will help explain how much work it takes to make a jacket, racesuit, and gloves ect........http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3017075767270283679&q=vanson+leathers
Thank You
saberlover
Well-Known Member
<div class='quotetop'>(h8ter18 @ Nov 16 2006, 03:03 PM) [snapback]1358804[/snapback]</div>
For the price you pay for the Vanson jacket, it should be made to fit the buyer.... Lots of attitude coming from this thred I see in the future.... The wested looks like nice jacket, and the price seems OK to me..... I got scared away from Vanson with the horror stories about the long waits, and lies and excuses about why/when the jacket will be made. Perhaps those issues could be addressed here as well.... I wouldnt mind paying 500 for a jacket from Vanson, but for that kind of money, I would expect to be treated like I was important.
I would like to see some nice pics of the Vanson jacket here, and the Wested jacket before I decide which to buy my self for christmas......
For the price you pay for the Vanson jacket, it should be made to fit the buyer.... Lots of attitude coming from this thred I see in the future.... The wested looks like nice jacket, and the price seems OK to me..... I got scared away from Vanson with the horror stories about the long waits, and lies and excuses about why/when the jacket will be made. Perhaps those issues could be addressed here as well.... I wouldnt mind paying 500 for a jacket from Vanson, but for that kind of money, I would expect to be treated like I was important.
I would like to see some nice pics of the Vanson jacket here, and the Wested jacket before I decide which to buy my self for christmas......
Knightsaber
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(saberlover @ Nov 17 2006, 01:21 AM) [snapback]1359572[/snapback]</div>
I thought we agreed there would be no more hating in this thread...
Well, have you followed this thread all the way through? If you did, you would know that there were no lies or exuses, only the truth about why the jackets were taking so long to be put through. Let me run it down real quick for you. The jackets were originally made in a special leather called MI9. Due to an unforseen shortage in teh leather market, the MI9 became EXTREMELY hard to get a hold of. This left Guntahkela waiting a year and still no MI9 leather. SO, Vanson put the order through with octagon leather...this is the only thing that might have been a flaw on Vanson's part, however there was NO intent to deprive or mislead us. I got a hold of Mike and he worked hard with me to get the jacket done in GA2 brown...much better. Everything is now, more or less, straightened out (some of us might be nit-picking a bit), but if you want a Vanson, just pick your colors, call up Mike and you'll have it in about 8 to 10 weeks. It's the busy season, so it might be a bit longer than the standard 6-8. Here is a picture of my Vanson jacket that I had done in GA2 leather with Gold trim and GA2 gussets.
PS: Mike is a great guy and he has definitely gone the extra mile, talking to the art dept, pattern folks, and trying to get the run down on this jacket. I've had nothing but a positive experience dealing with him personally.
- John
I thought we agreed there would be no more hating in this thread...
Well, have you followed this thread all the way through? If you did, you would know that there were no lies or exuses, only the truth about why the jackets were taking so long to be put through. Let me run it down real quick for you. The jackets were originally made in a special leather called MI9. Due to an unforseen shortage in teh leather market, the MI9 became EXTREMELY hard to get a hold of. This left Guntahkela waiting a year and still no MI9 leather. SO, Vanson put the order through with octagon leather...this is the only thing that might have been a flaw on Vanson's part, however there was NO intent to deprive or mislead us. I got a hold of Mike and he worked hard with me to get the jacket done in GA2 brown...much better. Everything is now, more or less, straightened out (some of us might be nit-picking a bit), but if you want a Vanson, just pick your colors, call up Mike and you'll have it in about 8 to 10 weeks. It's the busy season, so it might be a bit longer than the standard 6-8. Here is a picture of my Vanson jacket that I had done in GA2 leather with Gold trim and GA2 gussets.
PS: Mike is a great guy and he has definitely gone the extra mile, talking to the art dept, pattern folks, and trying to get the run down on this jacket. I've had nothing but a positive experience dealing with him personally.
- John
here is my wested
which i may be selling here shortly (buying a house) so i'll know in a few days if im going to keep it or not.
incase anyone is interested it is a medium sized jacket, i can give you the exact measurments if you are interested.
again its a great jacket, you can see that the waist stripes do not go as far around as the vanson other than that its a pretty accurate jacket
which i may be selling here shortly (buying a house) so i'll know in a few days if im going to keep it or not.
incase anyone is interested it is a medium sized jacket, i can give you the exact measurments if you are interested.
again its a great jacket, you can see that the waist stripes do not go as far around as the vanson other than that its a pretty accurate jacket
saberlover
Well-Known Member
How stiff is the Vanson jacket now since the original leather is no longer available..... I kind of liked the armor/bullet proof stiffness rfrences that were used to describe the original leather. How stiff is the leather in your jacket?
Rupert_Angier
Sr Member
Knightsaber,
could we get a few pics of the jacket from the back? :confused
could we get a few pics of the jacket from the back? :confused
saber,
my jacket (wested) is not real real stiff, not like the horsehide vanson was using, it is made from pre-distressed cow hide, it wears nice, but still has some sturdyness to it
not having touched a vanson i cant compare the two, but they are both cow hide.
the leather around the collar is about .200" thick, so i would say the leather is actually .100" thick, since it is doubled at the collar
so 3/16" is the thickness of the collar about this thick | |
my jacket (wested) is not real real stiff, not like the horsehide vanson was using, it is made from pre-distressed cow hide, it wears nice, but still has some sturdyness to it
not having touched a vanson i cant compare the two, but they are both cow hide.
the leather around the collar is about .200" thick, so i would say the leather is actually .100" thick, since it is doubled at the collar
so 3/16" is the thickness of the collar about this thick | |
<div class='quotetop'>(saberlover @ Nov 17 2006, 08:00 AM) [snapback]1359621[/snapback]</div>
It is still bullet-proff.
It is still bullet-proff.
