Who killed James Bond ?

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Alan Castillo

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At the very least I could see DC starting to show more moments of RM's detachment & humor as time passes.

And for the love of heavens, gimme wild, "yeah, right, like that's possible, as iiffff - duh", gadgets !

You know, machine-gun blazing, rocket-launching , hovercraft gondolas with exorcist-neck on-looking pigeons :lol

God I miss RM :lol
 

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IMIM2

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Bond is a spy, not an assassin. A spy with a fine taste, and sophisticated gadgets, womanizer, but can kill cold-bloodedly when necessary. Isn't that how the novel portrayed him?
New JB is more like an assassin, muscle-driven action packed scenes. Maybe it a transformation process toward the real Bond, like batguy mentioned.
So JB is not killed, but live, die, repeat (in other words: reboot)

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Michael Bergeron

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Bond is a spy, not an assassin. A spy with a fine taste, and sophisticated gadgets, womanizer, but can kill cold-bloodedly when necessary. Isn't that how the novel portrayed him?

In the novels (there are many of them) Bond is a spy, yes, but also an assassin if that makes any sense. He embarks on vendettas and he most certainly "gets dirty" doing it, killing by any means required. He has very fine taste, almost nothing in the way of gadgets, he womanizes, but not nearly as much as the films.
 

Solo4114

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Bond is a spy, not an assassin. A spy with a fine taste, and sophisticated gadgets, womanizer, but can kill cold-bloodedly when necessary. Isn't that how the novel portrayed him?
New JB is more like an assassin, muscle-driven action packed scenes. Maybe it a transformation process toward the real Bond, like batguy mentioned.
So JB is not killed, but live, die, repeat (in other words: reboot)

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In the novels (there are many of them) Bond is a spy, yes, but also an assassin if that makes any sense. He embarks on vendettas and he most certainly "gets dirty" doing it, killing by any means required. He has very fine taste, almost nothing in the way of gadgets, he womanizes, but not nearly as much as the films.

Michael Bergeron's explanation is accurate. Bond typically gets involved with one woman, or two at the absolute most, and not always in accordance with the film formula of "good babe" and "bad babe."

Bond has fine tastes, but mostly as a means to distract himself when he's bored or feeling introspective, and partially because he lives a dangerous life and figures he might as well enjoy eggs over hard and worry about a bullet, than worry about cholesterol that he probably won't live long enough to have kill him. He's also not all-knowing about everything. His knowledge of the finer things in life is that of an enthusiastic consumer, rather than a walking encyclopaedia.

As far as gadgets...he doesn't have any in the Ian Fleming novels. Maybe something like a briefcase with a hidden compartment, but nothing like the high-tech stuff from the films. Bond gets out of scrapes using his mind and his body, not his Bond Utility Belt or Bond-Ray Vision.

And as for being a spy vs. an assassin, he's both. Many of his assignments are about getting information on something, but he ends up having to kill during them. In other assignments, though, he's absolutely tasked with killing. I think it's the novel version of Goldfinger where he thinks back on his last assignment which was an assassination mission, and thinks about what it was like to put a knife through the heart of a man and smell his rank, final breath.

Another thing from the books that is lost in the films is Bond's tendency to criticize himself. This is, in my opinion, where Craig's performance comes in. Bond's allies do get killed, and he's angry and a bit remorseful for it. But you don't see that in almost any of the films. Certainly he never openly blames himself, but Craig allows guilt and frustration to play across his face in his performance. The only other Bonds where this happened that I can think of were Connery in Goldfinger, and Dalton in Licence to Kill.
 

Wes R

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Hate to say it but us fans killed him by letting the studio get away with worse and worse scripts. Just like we let them get away with bad movies in general and remakes/reboots.
 

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ripleys clone

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I wanted to ask a question. I haven't read every post that has been written. But aren't the latest 3 Bond films prequals before he became more of the 007 agent? I'm a Bond fan (not hardcore) but it's not the actor to me it's the movie that made the actor rememberable! Octopussy, View To A Kill, Her Majesty's Secret Service, Die Another Day, & a few others.
I'm just asking because I haven't seen Casino Royale, Quantum of Solice, or Skyfall. I figured since Money Penny & Q are such different people & well Q for one thing! ;)
 

Michael Bergeron

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I wanted to ask a question. I haven't read every post that has been written. But aren't the latest 3 Bond films prequals before he became more of the 007 agent? I'm a Bond fan (not hardcore) but it's not the actor to me it's the movie that made the actor rememberable! Octopussy, View To A Kill, Her Majesty's Secret Service, Die Another Day, & a few others.
I'm just asking because I haven't seen Casino Royale, Quantum of Solice, or Skyfall. I figured since Money Penny & Q are such different people & well Q for one thing! ;)

It's a reboot of the series. Not a prequel. :)

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Bigdaddy

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I was in a "big" store the other day and saw TMWTGG peaking out of the 5 dollar bin, even though it was DVD and not BR I figured "It's only RM anyway". ;) I pulled it out and saw another familiar box, then another...and another :facepalm
The new editions are highlighted, (the order is chronological, not a ranking system! :lol )
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(Not pictured but in the HD digital library: Dr. No, FRWL, GF, TB, YOLT, OHMSS )
Previously I only had the "Best Bonds" IMO, (Connery, Lazenby & Craig in that order...WTH, tack Myers on the end too! :lol) but I still want the entire collection so I picked up 7 more. :)
Watched TND yesterday for the 1st time, it was...more enjoyable than expected :), but I'll give my opinions in another thread.
 

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SSgt Burton

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(Putting this here instead of the "Bond 24" thread as I felt it was more appropriate)


Well over the last couple of weeks I decided to give OHMSS another chance, and I have to say for a product of its time, it IS a pretty good Bond film!

I guess a combination of it being late at night, and I suppose me being in not the most "open" of moods produced my original reaction; I was far too harsh on both the film and George Lazenby.

Lazenby certainly is no Sean Connery, but frankly none of the following actors were either. He does have some pretty good "Bond" moments (such as referring to M as "that monument" when handing in his resignation), and he IS great in the action scenes. I still think his best acting moment is at the skating rink hiding from Bunt and her henchmen.

The film still does run a wee bit too long, however it (and Lazenby) have moved up the chain a few notches for me- probably on the same level as The Living Daylights- decent Bond tale beating half of the Moore films and a couple of the Connery ones.


Kevin
 

Michael Bergeron

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(Putting this here instead of the "Bond 24" thread as I felt it was more appropriate)


Well over the last couple of weeks I decided to give OHMSS another chance, and I have to say for a product of its time, it IS a pretty good Bond film!

I guess a combination of it being late at night, and I suppose me being in not the most "open" of moods produced my original reaction; I was far too harsh on both the film and George Lazenby.

Lazenby certainly is no Sean Connery, but frankly none of the following actors were either. He does have some pretty good "Bond" moments (such as referring to M as "that monument" when handing in his resignation), and he IS great in the action scenes. I still think his best acting moment is at the skating rink hiding from Bunt and her henchmen.

The film still does run a wee bit too long, however it (and Lazenby) have moved up the chain a few notches for me- probably on the same level as The Living Daylights- decent Bond tale beating half of the Moore films and a couple of the Connery ones.


Kevin

I think Lazenby could have really gotten the hang of it if he had done a couple more, there are some great scenes in there. Glad it won you over! :)
 

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