Veronica Mars (Movie, Season 4...)

[Raza Crew]

I don't see what the problem is.

All kickstarter does is provide guaranteed markets. Any business would be foolish not to tap into that. Businesses are guaranteed a return, customers get inside access/extras/connection to their interests. It's a win win for all involved.

 

[Jeyl]

its basically extortion. Its a horrible use that seriously affects the principals that kickstarter was founded upon. Waner has 2 million dollars ..trust me

I remember listening to an NPR segment about how one of the most important rule for any show runner is to never spend your own money.

 

[ptgreek]

Veronica Mars Movie

I actually agree with that. Here's the thing.. Is Warner really saying we won't make the movie if the fans don't pony up 2 mil first?

 

[ptgreek]

Veronica Mars Movie

I remember listening to an NPR segment about how one of the most important rule for any show runner is to never spend your own money.

They aren't making this movie for 2 mil. Their P&A will cost more then that

 

[booksandcorsets]

I actually agree with that. Here's the thing.. Is Warner really saying we won't make the movie if the fans don't pony up 2 mil first?

Well, it's been almost 6 years since it's been off the air... I'm pretty sure if they were excited about it they would have made it already. Rob Thomas and Kristen Bell have been pretty upfront with their discussions with the studio.

 

[ptgreek]

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I understand what you are saying. Again .. Doesn't any body find it odd that Warner needs 2 million from you to make a movie.. And if they don't get it, they won't make it?

 

[booksandcorsets]

I understand what you are saying. Again .. Doesn't any body find it odd that Warner needs 2 million from you to make a movie.. And if they don't get it, they won't make it?

Again, I look at this as them using Kickstarter to gauge interest in this property, which has been dead for six years, ever coming back. In six years a lot happens and most fan bases dissipate quicker than that. Look at this as Rob Thomas and Kristen Bell proving that the market still wants this movie rather than asking for money. I think the speed in which it was funded and the internet going crazy about this as a possibility is going to prove to WB the interest level WAY MORE than the actual money.

 

[ptgreek]

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This could also be the biggest publicity ploy ever. Do you know where the mass amount of donations actually come from? Example. I knew someone that started a kickstarter campaign .. They had funding with an exception. They were told to start a kickstarter asking for the total sum.. But if they reached only half they would match it. It suddenly looked as if they were reaching their goal in record time. The project has yet to become real.
My point is that 2 mil is such an arbitrary number. Why 2 million? What would that be spent on knowing just advertising would cost that? Sorry for the skepticism, but I've seen similar things. Kickstarter can be used as a publicity tool as well. Seems to be working well here

 

[Solo4114]

It's $2 million to gauge the intensity of the fan base. Also, Kickstarter, as I recall, requires that its projects deliver physical goods/benefits to the people who kick in. So, whether that's a free movie ticket, or a digital copy of the movie a few days after release, or a copy of the shooting script or whatever, you get something out of it.

Also, you should really take a look at the Kickstarter page for this. Tehre's actually a ton of stuff that they're giving away, including all of that. So it's not simply "GIVE ME $2 MILLION OR I NEVER MAKE YOUR FILM! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!"

Fans get something out of this in addition to JUST the film being made.

And yeah, Kickstarter probably is being used as a publicity tool here, as well as a means to figure out whether they have a built-in audience.

And...so what?

I mean, think about it a second. If Fox said "We're starting a kickstarter to get Serenity 2 made," and they gave away the same kind of stuff, depending on the level of contribution, even if they never had a theatrical release and only did direct to DVD/BR, who cares? That's kind of the point of this.

I see this as a benefit for everyone. Studios, which are notoriously risk-averse and would be just as happy to greenlight the next crappy Michael Bay Explodofest, get a sense that there's a real, devoted fan base out there. If the project never gets made, then the pledges never get paid to the studio. So if, in development, the whole thing goes belly-up, no money. But if they follow through and deliver, they get the money. Meanwhile, fans get to encourage studios to actually take risks and cater to more niche audiences.


How is ANY of this a bad thing?

 

[ptgreek]

well honestly the Kickstarter page reads strange as well. According to Robs intro the 2 mil is for the funding of the movie. Warner owns the rights but will give him their blessing and distribution if he raises the money. Kristin Bell is on board but that is it for now, He is promising a summer shoot, but doesnt have anybody else on board and he plans on doing it for around what an Ultra Low budget film costs, expecting all those to take low pay. if you read the fine print, some of the promised items might require paperwork because you cant promise certain items without a deal in place yet. So what Im seeing now is that Warner apparently isnt asking for a specific sum..Rob is. And if reached, Warner will give their blessing to use the license and then profit off the distro. But is Rob saying he intends on making this film for 2 million and he plans on shooting ( without casting and crewing up ..or without a script) right away?
Ive worked on enough films to know that this sounds like developmental rhetoric. Hell ..ive been part of that Rhetoric. Im a fan of Robs .I absolutely loved Party Down. I would love to see this movie ..so if this helps, so be it. I just can help it when i read things that sound strange a bit off

 

[booksandcorsets]

Funded. So excited!

 

[RareBlueMonkey]

Thanks for the heads-up. I'm in! (and it looks like they have reached the goal with 30 days to go)

 

[Risu]

I don't think they're even trying to suggest that they're going to make the movie for $2 million. If I read correctly, the $2 million goal was JUST to prove to WB that there's enough interest and that people will pay to see the movie. I doubt they'd make it for mess than $10 million. I'm excited about this, and it could mean more campaigns like it in the future. Something Firefly related possibly, or Party Down (if they aren't already making that one). The kickstarter money goes toward the production, but it definitely isn't the whole budget.

 

[ptgreek]

from Rob's own posting

Keep in mind that the more money we raise, the cooler movie we can make. A two million dollar fundraising total probably means cross words are exchanged at the class reunion. Three million? We can afford a full-on brawl. Ten million? Who knows... For some reason the Neptune High class reunion takes place on a nuclear submarine! A Hobbit shows up! There’s a Bollywood end-credit dance number! I’ve always wanted to direct Bill Murray. We’ll figure out something cool. Hey, if that total goes high enough, I’ll bet the good folks at Warner Bros. will agree a sequel is a good idea.

in otherwords ...we will make the movie for 2 ..but the more you give the more you get.

You are right though i'd expect them to make it for over ten. that excludes post production and distro, which im assuming Warner would want in on

 

[ptgreek]

Ha ..i know i appear combative ..its strange when you re-read your own threads. Im happy for the fans for sure. im going to leave it alone and will watch intently ..im curious how this could change crowdsourcing, but im happy that good writing and fun characters get to see life again

 

[RareBlueMonkey]

...I'm excited about this, and it could mean more campaigns like it in the future...

So there's still hope for that Gilligan's Island movie! opcorn

I do agree that this is an interesting development. For fringe audience material, this could be great. An online petition to a studio is one thing, but a check for a few million dollars of fan-base $$ to 'kickstart' development is probably pretty compelling.

 

[Lord Boron]

Free money for a billion dollar studio without having to pay interest or pay back investors thier cut of the profits. Must be nice.

 

[Risu]

Well it's not like WB isn't the douchiest of studios. They did start the whole 1 month delay on Netflix and redbox DVDs thing.

 

[Jeyl]

Thought this was funny.

 

[ower]

why does Warner need your money to make a movie to make more money off you.

I guess that's what I don't understand either, you're paying to have it made, then your going to pay to see it, then probably buy dvd\blu-ray\beam to your brain via google glass. The execs are going to laugh all the way to the bank. Little to no risk and they get all the reward.. well i guess the fans get a reward by getting their movie made.