Vader Versus Obi Wan (New ANH Version)
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Solo4114
Master Member
If cinema has a language, this redone scene is like a film that alternatingly speaks Queen's English and Klingon at random moments.
I don't have a huge problem with films that are shot in the modern "language." Quick cuts, pushes in, low angles, CGI, etc. That's all fine, when it's done uniformly and in context.
I don't have a problem with films shot in the older "language." Steadier cameras, wider shots, more straight-on angles, practical effects, etc. Likewise, that's fine in context.
Where this -- and Lucas' "special editions" -- fall apart is in trying to merge the two languages together. It's jarring. It doesn't really work. Film has a language, and your film needs to either speak a single language, or -- if it switches between languages -- that has to be a conscious and meaningful choice beyond just "It looks cooler this way in this sequence."
I don't have a huge problem with films that are shot in the modern "language." Quick cuts, pushes in, low angles, CGI, etc. That's all fine, when it's done uniformly and in context.
I don't have a problem with films shot in the older "language." Steadier cameras, wider shots, more straight-on angles, practical effects, etc. Likewise, that's fine in context.
Where this -- and Lucas' "special editions" -- fall apart is in trying to merge the two languages together. It's jarring. It doesn't really work. Film has a language, and your film needs to either speak a single language, or -- if it switches between languages -- that has to be a conscious and meaningful choice beyond just "It looks cooler this way in this sequence."
If it were entirely a reimagined scene without footage from the original film then I would like it more. There was so much changed that it was just too jarring to work as a whole which is why I have no love for fan edits of the films no matter who makes them. The new shots just never fit. It always amazes me that no one ever makes changes to the prequels or sequels. Those are the films that need work far more than the originals.
SonofJorEl
Well-Known Member
Too, too much. A little extra juice would have been fine, I guess. This is overkill. The voice over was unnecessary. The Vader suit didn’t match up well at all, and I’m no Vader expert.
No one is attacking you dude, but I’m surprised you were surprised at the responses from folks.
IMO Bigger and faster rarely equals better.
No one is attacking you dude, but I’m surprised you were surprised at the responses from folks.
IMO Bigger and faster rarely equals better.
cboath
Master Member
Much better version of the Mona Lisa.
The Mona Lisa is something that needs to be experienced. A photo doesn't do it. I've seen plenty of photos and images of it. Being in that room was a completely different experience. It was captivating beyond belief.
cboath
Master Member
Yeah, it matches up better with the PT, but, the PT did not exist at that time so the hate really wasn't known to any degree in 1975. And I mean, it was not really known by even George at that time. Not sure it was known during the prequels to be honest as it went from factor 2 to factor 100 in a heartbeat for no believable reason.
still better than original battle even the obiwan head looks weird
Solo4114
Master Member
Exactly. If you want to reshoot the entire sequence... I still think it won't "fit" with the rest of the film, but at least it'd hold together for the scene.
But taking sequences and modifying them for insertion into the existing film...it just doesn't work. It feels "put on."
I have this same problem with the "special editions." Doing things like erasing garbage mattes and cleaning up some of the sabre f/x is relatively minimal. But consider the intro to Mos Eisley from the Special Editions. The whole point of it is to draw attention to the fact that LOOK IT'S DIFFERENT NOW!!!!! WE EMBIGGENED THE F/X WITH MORE STUFF BECAUSE WE CAN!!! It takes an otherwise coherent piece of cinema and shoves some new visual in your face which does nothing to actually enhance the story.
The same is true of the re-added ANH Jabba sequence. That scene literally repeats lines from the Greedo scene. It's entirely extraneous, as is the shot of Fett looking directly at the camera. It's all there to lampshade the kewl technology that Lucas could finally use in 1997, which, sure, was remarkable back then, but now just looks stupid and like you're breaking the 4th wall.
Either do an entirely new film, or clean up technical goofs in the old one. Otherwise, leave it alone.
This all the way!!!
WHY IS THERE 2 THREAD'S OF THIS SAME VIDEO....
Tan Djarka
Master Member
It was interesting. I don't prefer it to the real version, nor do I think it's so bad that it shouldn't have been made. It's not something I'm excited about, one way or the other.
Egon Spengler
Master Member
I have no idea how to make something like this, and want to say the work they put into it is pretty impressive. I just don't like the over all look and end result. I also don't like how they cut out "I've been waiting for you Obi-Wan" and replaced it with that weird line. "Our long awaited meeting has come at last." sounds like a business deal.
Bigdaddy
Master Member
I watched part of it, nice tech work but extremely out of place with the original shots. Their channel only has videos relating to this scene unfortunately. It might be cool to see them cut together an original scene with Vader fighting a rogue Jedi shortly after ROTS. A live action Vader vs Ahsoka would fit this style of film and fighting much better.
I thought it was awesome.
Okay I got to see it in high quality for the first time. We are in the woods, bad internet, etc.
Holy crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it is even more awesome. I agree with some of the critics. Leave the beginning dialog the way it was, it does not fit in well with the tone or style of the original, and I don't know why they included only some of the original scenes happening at that time.
Having said that I need a copy of this on DVD big time. It's awesome and these guys did an amazing thing. Some of the effects that did not look so great looked much better in High Definition, which I thought would be the other way around.
Perfect, no. Awesome,...heck yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I love Ewoks so consider the source.
Peace.
BTW I watch a trailer for a movie I am really excited about maybe twice. I've watched this thing like 12 times.
These guys need to CGI in something for Luke to be hiding behind under the stairs in Jedi Also make the Jedi saber fight longer. Way!!!!! too short.
Holy crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it is even more awesome. I agree with some of the critics. Leave the beginning dialog the way it was, it does not fit in well with the tone or style of the original, and I don't know why they included only some of the original scenes happening at that time.
Having said that I need a copy of this on DVD big time. It's awesome and these guys did an amazing thing. Some of the effects that did not look so great looked much better in High Definition, which I thought would be the other way around.
Perfect, no. Awesome,...heck yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I love Ewoks so consider the source.
Peace.
BTW I watch a trailer for a movie I am really excited about maybe twice. I've watched this thing like 12 times.
These guys need to CGI in something for Luke to be hiding behind under the stairs in Jedi
Also make the Jedi saber fight longer. Way!!!!! too short.
jusdrewit
Sr Member
Very cool, but within the whole context of ANH it's a bit jarring as others have said. If they could you use that technology and just dial it down just a bit, have the fighting more in line with the duels in ESB/ROTJ, and even Vader's hall way scene in R1 I think it would flow better. The potential is there, but i think they just made it a bit too modern, ie; the cuts, the camera angles all weren't like it was shot ANH style.
