Vader Helmet Color Template

<div class='quotetop'>(darthgordon @ Jul 20 2006, 07:32 PM) [snapback]1284879[/snapback]</div>
The reason for the flipped paint scheme in RotJ was that in a few scenes the film had actually been flipped during editing. I'm not sure the reason for this other than the fact that the editor felt that it matched up w/ the scene better that way.[/b]

Hey,

While it is true that, throughout the original trilogy, there were several occasions where the film was flipped in editing to help with with screen direction, that doesn't really apply to this situation. All of the photos of original ROTJ helmets were taken at various exhibits and have not been flipped. And even if they did, the whole paint scheme would be flipped, not just one portion.

So it's still unclear as to which paint scheme we should go with, if not both. Let's figure this out.

Later,

MJC.
 
Very helpful. Looking forward to getting my hands on one of these new reference disks when they become available. Thanks for the time put into this. :thumbsup
 
I sure hope these won't be limited only to the Reference Disc... was kinda hoping to be able to put them on my site when they were finished... wasn't just for the Reference Disc I started this project.
 
I hope so too :)....the progress has been terrific. I haven't had time to really go over them yet to find flaws but I think overall they look great....it's something that has been tried before but not to this level of quality... :thumbsup
 
Time to wrap this up. The final touches are currently being made and I guess the low-res versions will be posted here - & once Cantina_Dude and I have signed off on the templates the high-res versions will be sent off to SithLord to add to the Reference Disk.

There haven't been many comments regarding the accuracy of the low-res templates posted so far, so we're assuming that Cantina_Dude did right in the first go, but maybe it was not the best time to start this project... during the summer holiday and all... but still... no suggestions for alterations has been taken as acceptance of the proposed color schemes for the various helmets. Yeah... I think. :rolleyes

Seeing as there is more than one RotJ color template... maybe it would be in order to have a sort of vote on which one should be included on the Ref Disc... unless all versions will be included (though, wouldn't that be confusing, in a way.?) But still... since they "have" been made... why no include them all.?

Still interested in hearing your thoughts about this. Also... the "weathered" version of the ANH template, may be too much work, with too little interest in having one of those. Any thoughts on that too would be appreciated... as soon as possible... sooner would be better, as the project is about to be finalized. .)
 
Hey,

Here are what hopefully will be the final low-res images:

vaderpaintschemeANH-1.jpg


vaderpaintschemeESB-1.jpg


vaderpaintschemeROTJ1-1.jpg


vaderpaintschemeROTJ2-1.jpg


Enjoy.

MJC.
 
Wow....I think they look terrific. The lenses are great. I think the single ANH helmet is fine as it is....unless you'd like to add a black right tusk (Vader's right) ;). I think the two ROTJ versions are an important reference....one for tour and one for screen. Keep in mind that they had the two-step ring mount system as well for ROTJ...perhaps left over ESB helmets? Very likely....

One thing that is different between ANH and ESB/ROTJ....the black over the nose where it meets the silver on Vader's right side...over the U-shaped part of the nose....that black/silver boundary overlaps further onto the cheek than for ESB and I think even less for ROTJ. You've shown that boundary to be identical. I realize this is simply a painting scheme and I think it's great as that but thought I'd throw that little difference in...I'll look at these again more carefully to see if I notice anything else...

:cheers

Thomas


EDIT: ok I noticed Vaderdarth mentioned that difference over nose already...just caught that... :)
 
Ok for ROTJ the silver should be more gunmetal....it seems in screencaps that the silver is darker on the neck and cheeks than in ANH/ESB....whereas it's a lighter silver on the nosebridge/head.

So the nose on the ROTJ is a very light silver compared to the rest of the face and head....lighter definitely than the top of the head.

ROTJVaderb1.jpg



Check also the areas in red below for ESB...here there's clearly the gunmetal...

ESBpaintVad.jpg


Another photo....there is just a hint of grey there in that curved area between the cheek and mouth...like ANH...so that's great you have that...it seems to vary between ESB helmets a bit...

VaderESBcap2.jpg



Just a little technical note that you can't copyright the SW/ESB/ROTJ logos ;) :p. But of course, we know that it applies to the original artwork, not the logos....
 
Well I'm a little confused as to what you are getting at with a few things, so I'd like to clarify.

<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Jul 29 2006, 09:51 PM) [snapback]1290521[/snapback]</div>
Wow....I think they look terrific. The lenses are great. I think the single ANH helmet is fine as it is....unless you'd like to add a black right tusk (Vader's right) ;). I think the two ROTJ versions are an important reference....one for tour and one for screen. Keep in mind that they had the two-step ring mount system as well for ROTJ...perhaps left over ESB helmets? Very likely....[/b]
I do currently have the right tusk darker on the ANH template than the left tusk. I didn't want to have it out-right black, as I think it never really looked full on black on screen, it was always a bit worn. If people would prefer it as totally black, I can change it. As for the two ROTJ versions, I wasn't really thinking of them as one for the film and one for tour, as I know that the used both mounting systems for the film. I wasn't really trying to say that all low mount helmets had one paint scheme while all high mount helmets had the other, I just wanted to show both mounting systems and both paint schemes, so I just pick some combinations and went with them. Again, if people have some other suggestions for this, I can make it happen.

<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Jul 29 2006, 09:51 PM) [snapback]1290521[/snapback]</div>
One thing that is different between ANH and ESB/ROTJ....the black over the nose where it meets the silver on Vader's right side...over the U-shaped part of the nose....that black/silver boundary overlaps further onto the cheek than for ESB and I think even less for ROTJ. You've shown that boundary to be identical. I realize this is simply a painting scheme and I think it's great as that but thought I'd throw that little difference in[/b]
OK, well the black/silver boundary that you speak of isn't actually identical in my images. The ANH is farther on to the cheek than the ESB and ROTJ. Do you think the ANH should be even farther on to the cheek? And do you want it moved farther on to the nose for ROTJ? Let me know.

<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Jul 29 2006, 10:10 PM) [snapback]1290530[/snapback]</div>
Ok for ROTJ the silver should be more gunmetal....it seems in screencaps that the silver is darker on the neck and cheeks than in ANH/ESB....whereas it's a lighter silver on the nosebridge/head.
So the nose on the ROTJ is a very light silver compared to the rest of the face and head....lighter definitely than the top of the head.[/b]
It would be helpful if you could illustrate more clearly what exactly you mean by all this. It's a bit confusing with all the various "silvers" you speak of. From what I think you are saying, you're implying that there were several different shades of gunmetal used on the ROTJ helmet. I kind of doubt that they actually used different paints; I'd be more inclined to think it a trick of lighting rather than different mixes of colour. Let me know if that's what you are getting at.

<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Jul 29 2006, 10:10 PM) [snapback]1290530[/snapback]</div>
Check also the areas in red below for ESB...here there's clearly the gunmetal...[/b]
Is there an alternate suggestion in there, or are you just confirming that what I've done for the ESB is correct? Let me know.

Regards,

MJC.
 
Thanks guys, though, I must admit... imo, Cantina_Dude did most of the work... and I couldn't have done it without him... so... thanks man. :thumbsup
 
Everything's fine....it was the gunmetal difference that sort of caught my attention so I thought I would mention it. At this stage of the game it might require more research. At least on the ROTJ it seems lighter on the nosebridge and over the eyes...since that's under the helmet I doubt it's a lighting difference...you'd expect under the widow's peak to be darker, not lighter. The right tusk on ANH was black all over initially and then the front surface on the crown rubbed off a bit to reveal the lighter color beneath.

These really are so good already the points were more observations than essential changes...

All in all :thumbsup :thumbsup
 
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