UFO Sightings

[Replica]

We've had this conversation before. Id recommend you pick up that book, you'll find it containsany answers to your questions, assuming they aren't rhetorical.

Anomalies are tracked in space, just as they are on earth. Radars don't work perfectly every time, false readings are relatively common and in space where double checking is visualy is virtually impossible they can't discern between radar malfunction or otherwise. As I said, look into the fastwalker incident.

Project sign was asked to be rewritten before made public - as not to cause alarm

You're right, turning off the transponder doesn't make it invisible to radar, I should have worded that better. It does make it very hard to track however.

And yes, I know you would say 100% of UFO sightings are explainable, precicely why i wonder why you bother commenting on UFO topics

 

[Lflank]

We've had this conversation before.

I expect we'll have it again.

Id recommend you pick up that book, you'll find it containsany answers to your questions, assuming they aren't rhetorical.

Anomalies are tracked in space, just as they are on earth. Radars don't work perfectly every time, false readings are relatively common and in space where double checking is visualy is virtually impossible they can't discern between radar malfunction or otherwise. As I said, look into the fastwalker incident.

But alas here's the problem--it's not just one set of radars. Several nations have space tracking radar systems--and they all operate independently, and constantly. And that doesn't even include the missile-defense radars run constantly by the US, Russia, and probably China. The odds of all of them just happening to simultaneously miss the target every time the aliens enter or leave earth, is ludicrously small. I simply find it impossible that any manned (or alienned) spacecrafts could constantly enter or leave earth orbit over a period of decades without being tracked.

Project sign was asked to be rewritten before made public - as not to cause alarm

That is the UFOlogy legend. I've seen no good evidence for it. Not do I see any reason why acknowledging the existence of space aliens would "cause alarm". Most people already believe it anyway.

And yes, I know you would say 100% of UFO sightings are explainable, precicely why i wonder why you bother commenting on UFO topics

Because, like the global warming "debate", the creation science "debate" and the ghosts/bigfoot/chupacrabra "debate", it's a great vehicle for demonstrating how real science works, and why real science is better at describing reality than pseudoscience.

The amount of pseudoscience that Americans swallow is staggering, particularly compared to the rest of the world. The idea that science is just a matter of opinion, and that we can pick and choose which science we want to believe is true and which science we want to believe is not true, is one reason why the US is declining rapidly as a scientific and technological force in the world.

Science must be defended. It is the ONLY reliably demonstrated way we have to learn about our world.

 

[Replica]

Firstly, sorry I can't quote specific parts - I'm doing this on an iPhone and I can't scroll down on imbedded text boxes...cursed flawed human technology!

Alrighty, well, as I said things get detected but not seen, by all nations. There isn't a live Internet feed of the worlds radars.

Why would the government cover it up? Mr. Kaku could answer that better than I could - check YouTube or I will and post some links later on.

There is references to several major rewrites to the conclusion of Sign, it comes down to weather or not you trust leaked documents. One thing that is well documented is project grudge's agenda, which is IMO more interesting than Sign's conclusions.

The major point I'm trying to get across is that UFOs and ETs are separate topics.

 

[Lflank]

Alrighty, well, as I said things get detected but not seen, by all nations. There isn't a live Internet feed of the worlds radars.

But they are manned 24/7, and recorded. Some of them because their task is to constantly monitor for nuclear weapon launches; others because they must constantly track everything in the sky so no satellites get whacked. And now we even have a large number of telescopes constantly scanning for Near Earth Objects so we don't get whacked by an asteroid.

There is references to several major rewrites to the conclusion of Sign, it comes down to weather or not you trust leaked documents.

Alas, the problem is that the field of UFOlogy is so fraught with so many (often very sophisticated and elaborate) fakes and hoaxes and falsehoods--everything from the "MJ documents" to the "alien autopsy film"--that it's impossible to take any such "leaked" document on faith, unless it can be independently confirmed, and it usually can't be. That difficulty is an entirely self-inflicted wound on the part of UFOlogists--if they'd stop faking so much stuff, people might trust them more.

The major point I'm trying to get across is that UFOs and ETs are separate topics.

Yes, but it's the ETs that everyone cares about.

 

[Lflank]

Firstly, sorry I can't quote specific parts - I'm doing this on an iPhone and I can't scroll down on imbedded text boxes...cursed flawed human technology!

I have a Blackberry--and I never got the hang of that whole "thumb-typing" thingie. Kids today who grew up with a smartphone in their hands can thumb-type away all day long, but me, I grew up in the era of rotary phones (I remember when push-button phones first appeared---woo hoo !!), so I'm not as tech-savvy as an average eight year old.

 

[BoSkarr]

Maybe we should hunt them down! LOL


It is scary.. all we need to do is pray to the Lord Our God that He may save us from any extra terrestrial beings that has
a bad plan for us..


I was scared on the last part.. the Red dots on the sky... They are so many! ...

Hunting them down could start a trans planitary war.
May God help us.
I got scared when he started talking about the safe areas and the government having us wiped out.
The point is there is something out there, and it ain't no man

 

[Lflank]

Speaking of space science, was anyone else dumb enough like me to get up at 3 am this morning to see the meteor shower . . . .?

Entirely worth it.

 

[moki34]

Well than you have never served in our military sounds like lol, When do you think it was built??? HAHAHA or even better when do you think the F-22 was built??? LOL the F-22 has been around for almost 15 yrs now. Most of the Air Force Planes that are still being used today were built back in the 50's lol.

When any of our Aircraft are built they go thru roughly about 10 years of testing at Edwards Air Force Base, Home of MOST of our testing. Air Force, Navy, Army, Marines and NASA.

The SR71 is so old now, it has been retired, there are only 2 that are still active for Air Shows now. Not to mention if you ever seen that plane prep for flight you would probably freak out as when it is fueled it leaks everywhere and once it takes off a KC-135 or KC-10 is always in the air to refuel it. so that once it gets to cruising altitude the seals engage from the heat build up thus causing the metal used to expand and seal. Thats how old that aircraft is and the technology used back then to create it.

I very much agree with with FastBurst; I was previously in the service and my area of employment was working on fighter aircraft. I served for 8 years in just that field and what I learned is that these arial machines are far more capable of things than what we see on t.v. We've all watched Top Gun and the old shows like The A Team and Air Wolf and saw the flying tricks of the trade but there is more to our aircraft than what everyone knows. I'm not at liberty to say what I saw, what I worked on or on what aircraft but I did witness amazing arial tactics that I thought were impossible by these things. I can say that the aircraft I worked on and the others around were directly designed and maunfactured back in the 50's to the 70's so with that in mind I have to say that with my knowledge that the SR-71 WAS developed in the latee 40 - 50's to hit the assembly line and took it's training flights in the early 60's. As for the UFO thing, I am a firm believer that we are not alone; there are more things in this universe that we know about or are told about by NASA or other agencies. we would be foolish to think or to even say that we are the ONLY beings that were ever created. Whether or not these E.T.'s are coming here to conquer or help us I don't know, but I'm trying to keep an open mind about their visitations here. I could be wrong but like myself I would first want to get to know what I'm visiting before I WANT to destroy it. Not everything kills first before they ask questions! In the end we're all entitled to believe what we want, as for myself I welccome these alien beings...I'd like to get to know 'em

 

[torredator]

Speaking of space science, was anyone else dumb enough like me to get up at 3 am this morning to see the meteor shower . . . .?

Entirely worth it.

Meteor shower?
where at?any video?

 

[Lflank]

Meteor shower?
where at?any video?

No video, alas. I counted about 15 meteors in 2-2.5 hours of watching.

It's the annual shower from Haley's comet--on one of its previous annual passes, some bits broke off and formed a cloud of tiny particles that we now pass through once a year, producing a meteor shower.

So you'll get to see it again same time next year.

 

[josephchoi]

why is it threads like these bring all these people who leave cryptic "i was there I saw, but i can't reveal what it is but it's pretty mindboggling!!" crap all over? If you can't reveal it why bother mentioning it in the first place? what's it supposed to prove?

 

[bendrago]

Yay, conspiracy theories !!

Well, my problem with ufo's is that there is not one shred of evidence to even remotely prove they are of alien origin,
and given the number of ufo sightings it would not be realistic to assume that there would be no hard evidence.
Or are we really to suppose that every piece of hard evidence happens to land conveniently right beside an army base
or similar so that the goverment can hush it up ... like in this age and time it would take more than five minutes to
get yourself onto internet or news if you would actually have some hard evidence ...

If there actually was an alien species capable of interstellar travel that would mean they have technology that far FAR surpasses ours,
and that leaves us with a logical problem, given that they would be way more advanced than we are they wouldn't care less about our
military might, they would be capable to wipe us out of existence right from our orbit, and if they wouldn't be aggressive but would
like to be friends with us don't you think they would have manifested themselves already ?? or are we to believe they are somekind
of interstellar bullies that fly all the way to earth from god knows where just to blink a few lights to some people and then leave ?

In my opinion the reason we get ufo sightings is that a ) people want to believe in them (like say loch ness monster...) and b ) if we cant
understand something (eg. an odd natural phenomenon) we start to imagine something that might explain what we saw.

Btw, don't you think it is a bit odd that people started to see these humanoid shaped aliens after they first appeared in comics and movies

 

[munson]

... and if they wouldn't be aggressive but would
like to be friends with us don't you think they would have manifested themselves already ??

Let's just go off of this for a second. Look at the human species [and our history] as a whole. For one reason or another, we have proven that we are the deadliest species on the planet. Why would an advanced species want to make contact with us if we are this deadly? Why not observe the species and further try to understand them? As far as violence goes, the human species is just as violent now as it was centuries ago.

 

[Lflank]

Btw, don't you think it is a bit odd that people started to see these humanoid shaped aliens after they first appeared in comics and movies

A very good point. The appearence of the "space aliens" as described by "witnesses" tracks the appearance of "space aliens" in sci fi shows.
During the early days of space travel, "space aliens" were "little green men" who wore silver space suits and helmets (like Mercury astronauts). The stereoptypical "grey" that is so iconic for us now didn't begin appearing in "witness reports" until AFTER it was described in Betty and Barney Hill's book and particularly after it appeared in "Close Encounters of the Third Kind".

The notable fact that the appearance of the putative space aliens tracks closely the appoearence of movie and TV space aliens, indicates that the entire phenomenon is cultural, not physical reality.

 

[Lflank]

Let's just go off of this for a second. Look at the human species [and our history] as a whole. For one reason or another, we have proven that we are the deadliest species on the planet. Why would an advanced species want to make contact with us if we are this deadly? Why not observe the species and further try to understand them? As far as violence goes, the human species is just as violent now as it was centuries ago.

Black widow spiders are the deadliest spider in North America---yet we routinely live in the same house with them, and when they become too bothersome we simply kill them by the thousands with plain old ordinary bug spray.

Why would we be (despite our vaunted "deadliness") any more than a mere bothersome bug to an advanced space alien species?

Indeed, why would they bother with earth anyway? Why would they be any more interested in us than we are interested in an anthill? They travel all those lightyears just to impose a vast conspiracy on what are, to them, the equivalent of flatworms . . . ?

I view UFO/space alien stories as the same category as medieval religious stories. The stories of flying saucers sound like medieval angel visitation/miracle stories, while the descriptions of alien abductions sound just like medieval incubus or demon possession stories. And the whole mythology that has grown up amongst UFOlogists about "the space aliens want our DNA so they can make hybrids" is a modern-day reflection of the religious mythology about how the gods need us beause we give meaning to their existence.

Both medieval angel stories and modern space alien stories are just mythologies based on a misunderstanding of plain old ordinary mother nature--motivated largely by a deep-seated human need to feel "special".

The sad fact, alas, is that we just ain't that special. I see no reason why the space aliens would care two hoots in hell about us or what we do.

 

[munson]

Black widow spiders are the deadliest spider in North America---yet we routinely live in the same house with them, and when they become too bothersome we simply kill them by the thousands with plain old ordinary bug spray.

Why would we be (despite our vaunted "deadliness") any more than a mere bothersome bug to an advanced space alien species?

Indeed, why would they bother with earth anyway? Why would they be any more interested in us than we are interested in an anthill? They travel all those lightyears just to impose a vast conspiracy on what are, to them, the equivalent of flatworms . . . ?

I view UFO/space alien stories as the same category as medieval religious stories. The stories of flying saucers sound like medieval angel visitation/miracle stories, while the descriptions of alien abductions sound just like medieval incubus or demon possession stories. And the whole mythology that has grown up amongst UFOlogists about "the space aliens want our DNA so they can make hybrids" is a modern-day reflection of the religious mythology about how the gods need us beause we give meaning to their existence.

Both medieval angel stories and modern space alien stories are just mythologies based on a misunderstanding of plain old ordinary mother nature--motivated largely by a deep-seated human need to feel "special".

The sad fact, alas, is that we just ain't that special. I see no reason why the space aliens would care two hoots in hell about us or what we do.

Exactly. We believe that since we're the most advance species on earth and we created such wonders, that an advanced species would want to contact us. I believe that they would study us for an extended period of time, if they come here.

 

[hellonearth]

well i may make an enemy or two with this but, and i am sorry, but for those of you who can sit and watch a whole bunch of **** like this, and just sit back and laugh?! you are in denial.

i'm not saying every damn vid that pops up on youtube is hard proof, but that vid was, to say the least, disturbing.

i too own the tool album that has that call at the end, and while my skepticism wondered where it came from (when i heard it on the album), there is a deep DEEP fear in that mans voice. and hearing it in full context only amplifies my certainty.

now, add that with these "portals" opening up in the sky and i'd say there is definitely something goin' on.

i do believe in aliens, i DO NOT believe every little story i hear or every little, may or may not have been hoaxed, video that comes up.

i do think many in the world could be confusing there experiences with other things, suggested images from the media, etc. who knows, maybe they're all true, but i doubt it.

what i do know is from very early on, our civilization has experienced and documented (in there own way) events that seam a hell of a lot like what we see today. this really isn't anything new in man's history.

i've read countless books on the subject, only taking in the facts, and i am absolutely certain, that something is aware of our existence, from "out there." what their intentions are, i do not know, but i will personally never be able to take anyone, that has been presented with the "FACTS" and blows them off without concern, seriously.

for anyone that truly to the depth of their soul, does not even see "aliens" possible, the possibility of a much more advanced race somewhere else in the universe, not possible?! you are mistaken.

they've already within the first year of their newest space telescope found hundreds of planets that "could" harbor life (as we know "life") not to mention, somewhere in the universe there could be lifeforms other than carbon based, and to think that is not possible you are also in denial.

i DO NOT mean to dis anyone that feels one way or the other, whether you claim to have experience, proof or otherwise. i'm just stating how i, undeniably, feel, and from what few things i've witnessed with my own eyes, on top of all the evidence (whether you wanna call it that or not) i can't feel any other way about this.

there is something going on and it's not just the united states gov. playin around, and if they are playin around, it's with toys and tech they did not come up with.

i'm sorry i love all of you but i just can't see how after all this time, there is still people out there that can't even consider the possibility, let alone the (to me) blatantly obvious reality.

there will always be debunkers and disbelievers whether it's because it interferes with there religion or otherwise, and i'm sorry i just can't listen to these "excuses" anymore.

we aren't alone, and we will have to deal with that eventually, whether that's the 2012 end that the mayans foresaw, or whatever, do you honestly think this ****** up world could last forever without something taking over? dispite the tiny little sects of goodness, this world is TOTALLY ****** UP! and i almost welcome such a change. good or bad. ∵

 

[bendrago]

Let's just go off of this for a second. Look at the human species [and our history] as a whole. For one reason or another, we have proven that we are the deadliest species on the planet. Why would an advanced species want to make contact with us if we are this deadly? Why not observe the species and further try to understand them? As far as violence goes, the human species is just as violent now as it was centuries ago.

Yes we are extremely violent and stupid as a race, we destroy the planet we live in, can't get much more stupid than that I dont understand what that has to do with aliens tho,
even if we would believe just 1% of ufo sightings that would mean that aliens have visited earth for hundreds of years, so how long are they going to actually study us then ? or
are you implying we are just some sort of galactic big brother show ?
And if there were aliens coming here to study us why is it that we see them ? wouldn't that be just plain stupid to show themselves to us at the same time they are trying not
to be seen ?? again we come against the fact that if there were aliens capable of interstellar travel their technology and their intelligence would be so far beyond ours that
keeping out of sight of humans would be no feat at all.

 

[xdmray]

i feel like i am taking crazy pills! i want to jump in, but what can i say that Lflank can't say better?.... carry on.

 

[Hecatomb]

I bet if aliens existed, they'd be all like:

"Ha! The video with my spaceship in it has more than 5 million views on youtube, and yours only has 2 million!"
"You got lucky, that video isn't all blurry like the rest."
"Lucky? Do you want me to kick your ass?"
"Oh come on, we're not uncivilised barbarians like those humans."
"Right, let's get high."