Tron Legacy Movie Review

Well, I saw it. Glad I saw it. Not really glad of what it was, but here I go.

The Good
• Jeff Bridges. CGI or not, he is still one of the most watchable actors ever no matter what role he plays, and I liked him a lot in this film.
• Father/Son dynamic. Thank GOD this was not a Steven Spielberg type of family drama. That would have made this film unwatchable.
• Olivia Wilde's character Quorra. Probably the best character in the film only because she's so consistent as a character while everyone else suffers from the story's plot holes. Olivia's acting, looks and style were all great and It was nice she wasn't bound as the romantic interest role and was treated like a person that actually mattered. No on-screen kiss got a little cheer from me.
• The Light Jets. Don't know what to say other than that was a pretty awesome sequence. I actually shouted "OH!" when Quorra delivered a head shot to one of the bad guys.
• No over the top shaky cameras. While there might have been some instances of this in some of the more fast paced action scenes, every thing else was very focused and tight which in today's world is a breath of fresh air.
• Sam. He wasn't an a&$hole. I kind of liked him as a character.
• Bruce Boxleitner. I would declare it wouldn't be a Tron movie without him even more so than Jeff Bridges.
• fantastic score by Daft Punk. I was so pleasantly surprised by the job they did that I immediately bought the soundtrack. I've never really done that for a modern movie in quite some time.

The Bad
• The story is inconsistent as fudge. The whole "Who paged?" plot point was confusing and really had a lot of contradictions. I think the ISOs could have been given a more broader role than simply being "They appeared, they were awesome, they are gone, and that's that.". And how exactly would Clu do damage in a world where he would have no powers of any kind?
• TRON himself. You spend all this time, effort and money making Jeff Bridges passable in a younger form, but all you did for TRON, the title character of the series is put him behind a gawddang helmet the entire time?! He looked great in the flashback, but putting him in that helmet even when he turned good was just a cop out. Also, his turning back could have been handled a lot better than just happening out of the blue. Did the writers forget about how Kevin brought Yori back when she almost faded out?
• The women. Despite the really good Quorra character, every female character in this film kind of gets the shaft the shaft at some point or another. Sam's mother dies, his grandparents die, Quorra *almost* dies, Gem gets detonated, and where the @%#$ is Yori?! I know she wasn't that much of a character in the original, but I still liked her a lot. What happened to her? Didn't she and Tron have a thing? What happened? I cared about these characters Tron: Legacy! I did! What happened?!
• The design. While I will give the real grid costume designs and color use a pass, a lot of the costumes and vehicle designs just bothered me. They were... how do I say this? Too practical. I miss how the Recognizers were made up of very sharp shapes that were never truly connected to one another. The new recognizers here just don't seem as menacing especially when they have rocket sounds instead of the very digital "rbrbbrbr" noise they used to make. Oh, jackets with one light stripe is CHEAP. Never do that again!
• No programs that resemble the MCP. I've got to admit, the only thing for me that was cooler than light cycles AND recognizers from the original Tron was the MCP. I loved his digital face and his very menacing voice. I was stunned when there was not one single entity in the Grid that looked remotely like the MCP. It was the epidemy of digital looking!
• No reference to the old Clu. One of my theories as to why this new Clu was the bad guy in Tron: Legacy was because he somehow found out that the old Clu from the first film was de-rezzed by the MCP because Flynn sent him on a suicide mission. So as the story went on and Flynn started doing much broader things, this new Clu didn't want to be another one of Flynn's expendable programs waiting to be de-rezzed. I liked that idea a lot more than what we got. Phft. Making the perfect world.
• Ok, I'll just come up and say it. I miss the animated spider drones during the light sailor from the original film. I would have put them scattered all about in the rocky canyon like areas in a heart beat.

The Awkward
• From the very first trailer, I knew without a doubt that this movie was an alternate take on the video game TRON 2.0, a game I LOVED despite it's mediocre presence. It pretty much lifts everything from one of the main characters having a son (instead of Alan it's Flynn), the son getting zapped into the computer world, the son being forced to fight in light cycle races, the son being rescued by the female program DURING the light cycle game, the female program being taken out of the story part way, the son's dad finding a way to bring the female program back ect, ect. There are a lot of numerous story points that I just cried foul on because they all happened in Tron 2.0 and it was done a lot better in that game. It broke my heart that they didn't include the game as canon.
• Ok, I know there was a little nod to the Tron theme in the opening by Flynn, but it would have been so great to have heard Daft Punk pay some sort of homage to some of Wendy Carlos' music in some way shape or form that fitted with the score. Ever since Star Trek, I can't help but feel that modern movie composers are actually trying to not include a franchise's signature theme when they're composing a film unless it's at the very end credits when the movie is over. Tron Legacy didn't even have that.
• This had me laughing more than anything else because I could not take it seriously even in the context of the film. Our hero puts out Encom's new OS free online against the company's plan because they want to make a profit out of it. Nothing wrong with making a profit on a product even if it's nothing new. But here, Sam's actions of posting it free online is portrayed in a good light. Do Disney writers work in an irony free zone? Open sourcing your products in a DISNEY MOVIE?!
 
So it took anywhere between $275 - $325 million dollars to market Tron: Legacy and so far it has taken in about $45 million. Do we predict a global $1 billion dollar revenue? :confused
 
The Bad
• The story is inconsistent as fudge. The whole "Who paged?" plot point was confusing and really had a lot of contradictions.

No contradictions at all. Flynn said he didn't page Sam, it was Clu all the time. Clu paged Alan trying to get "anyone" to open the porthole again. That way he can do 2 things, hopefully draw out Flynn from hiding AND leave the Grid into the real world.

I thought the story line was well thought out and very tight.
 
Holy crap!! THAT MUCH in Marketing? WOW! Well I'm thinking it will pick up momentum this weekend as the holiday weekend is always busy for movies. This past weekend I think many are busy getting shopping done or waiting out the crowds to see it, but you never know. It could do worse or better than last week. I know statistically movies normally take in less on the second week, but there's been a few out there that have beat that statistic.

I'm sure word will get around. Whether it will even make back the original $170m film budget or not I have no CLU (hehe). I'm sure Disney is shaking in their boots right now though about it's intake so far. They sure did market the heck out of this film. I am actually surprised it did just over $44m. I was thoroughly expecting a $75-$100m opening based on how much it's been known and talked about. This number really surprised me.

Wonder how it will do in the international market...
 

They've forgot one that I noticed. When Flynn, Sam and Quorra are in the flyer, Flynn tells Quorra that when it comes to flying the flyer, he says, "It's all in the wrists." When it comes to the first film, after Flynn beats "Space Paranoids", a patron asks how he did it. His response is, "It's all in the wrists."

And here's some of the similarities between "Tron Legacy" and "Tron 2.0."

1. The story involves the son of a protagonist from the original film (in "Tron 2.0" it is Jet Bradley, son of Alan. In "Tron: Legacy" it is Sam Flynn, son of Kevin Flynn)
2. The original "Tron" arcade game turns up in both works (in both the video game and film, Encom released a "Tron" video game created by Kevin Flynn, which becomes an "arcade hit" in both stories).
3. Both son characters explore a lab with a laser after their father has mysteriously disappeared for reasons unknown (for the film, Sam finds Flynn's office in the arcade 20 years after his father disappeared to find out what happened to him. In "Tron 2.0", Jet goes to the digitizing lab after hearing his father's kidnapping to find out what happened to him).
4. A female program that works for the father of the son character saves the son character from the game grid during a Lightcycle competition (in the film, it's Quorra who rescues Sam from the Lightcycle game by taking him off the Grid. In the "Tron 2.0" game, it's Mercury who saves Jet Bradley by giving him advice on how to get off the lightcycle grid)
5. Both involves a program that cannot create programs, but can only repurpose them for their own needs (in "Tron: Legacy", CLU repurposes many programs for his army. In "Tron 2.0", it is Thorne, a computer virus/User infects programs that he wishes to use for his own purposes).
6. Both stories involve the son character going to a bar setting and ending up in a fight for survival (in "Tron: Legacy", it's Sam going to the "End of Line Club." In "Tron 2.0", it's Jet going to the "Progress Bar." And both bars include some heavy techno music.
7. Both stories involves the importance of the digitization process in order to get out of the system (Clu needs Flynn's ID Disc as it has the key to allowing him and any other programs to leave the Grid in the film. In "Tron 2.0", Ma3a carries the correction algorithms for digitization that allows for the digitization process to work properly going in and out of the system.
8. Both feature the name "Tron Legacy" (for the film, it is the title and "Torn Legacy" shows up after the film is completed. For the game, its the name of the upgraded version of the Tron protection program, to which Jet retrieves the source code for).
 
The Bad
• The story is inconsistent as fudge. The whole "Who paged?" plot point was confusing and really had a lot of contradictions. I think the ISOs could have been given a more broader role than simply being "They appeared, they were awesome, they are gone, and that's that.". And how exactly would Clu do damage in a world where he would have no powers of any kind?

No Powers? He had what looked like a hundred thousand rabid followers at his beck and call, all ready to do damage! I think a man named Hitler had that kind of "lack of power" at one time too. :)

...and where the @%#$ is Yori?! I know she wasn't that much of a character in the original, but I still liked her a lot. What happened to her? Didn't she and Tron have a thing? What happened? I cared about these characters Tron: Legacy! I did! What happened?!

The Tron character in "Legacy" is an updated copy of the original program that Flynn brought to his personal Grid and not the original character on the Encom system. The Yori character I presume was unimportant enought that Flynn didn't need a copy of her in his new system.


• No reference to the old Clu. One of my theories as to why this new Clu was the bad guy in Tron: Legacy was because he somehow found out that the old Clu from the first film was de-rezzed by the MCP because Flynn sent him on a suicide mission. So as the story went on and Flynn started doing much broader things, this new Clu didn't want to be another one of Flynn's expendable programs waiting to be de-rezzed. I liked that idea a lot more than what we got. Phft. Making the perfect world.

Flynn gave the new CLU "free reign" to create the perfect system. He did this by removing what he saw as imperfections. The ISO's came into being from the Sea Of Simulation and were not programmed by Flynn. They just "magically" appeared and didn't have specific programming, like all the others on the new Grid. CLU saw this as an imperfection (Programs without programming?) and removed the imperfection.

Genocide in the name of progress.

I don't think it had anything to do with wanting to get revenge for the derezz of CLU version 1.0 :)

One question the film left me with was: What happened to Flynn?

I know they said reintegration of CLU into Flynn could/would destroy them both... did it? Or will Flynn perhaps reform?

People also questioned How Tron could be made into Rinzler. Easy answer from the film: he was repurposed!
Just like the army in CLU's personal goon squad. I imagine Tron was hurt when CLU staged his uprising, which in theory
would have made is Repurposing that much easier.

I think one of the major axes to grind that CLU had with Flynn was his ability to create new programs. Flynn was a user and could do that. I wonder if CLU, even though he had administration access and could build/control other programs, couldn't create programs from scratch. So he set out to "repurpose" all the stray programs he could and build his army.

CLU had a god complex... and daddy issues. There's a new field of psychology: computer counseling. :D
 
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(snip) Quorra was terrific. I actually really enjoyed the scenes in Kevin Fynn's "condo". That was all very Stanley Kubrick to me. In fact, when things slowed down and the characters were really talking about things, that's when it was a real movie to me. I really liked when Sam and Kevin met, reminds me of when I met my Mom. (snip)

The ISO concept was compelling. Yes it seems to be digital DNA. Remember they are in a supercomputer so conceivably from the DNA one could produce protein (protein isn't hard to model in a computer). But it is a good question how Quorra was reconstituted into the real world. Since apparently they used quantum teleportation it would be a 1:1 transfer of whatever she was in the grid, but hey, this is science fiction/fantasy :). One could only assume that as an ISO she was represented not only in terms of DNA. Oh, and I agree the data discs seem to be simply repositories for information, a "backup drive" if you will.

(snip)

Kevin Flynn's cycle design is a masterwork, truly.

picking up on some points you made.

I thought the time spent between sam and his father in the 'apartment' worked really well. Flynn has spent years in contemplation, so to actually see his son again, he of course has father like questions

school
married
job

he wants to know that he's done well. and like a lot of people, as they get older, they lose their rebellious streak, less idealistic and more conservative, so as much as Flynn was a maverick in his own youth, he's grudging with what sam tells him of his life.

drop out
no real job
not married, but oh hey, I got a rescue dog.

Quorra discussing books with sam, and I loved the moment when she asks him if he knows Jules Verne and she gets all giddy excited asking what he's like. Olivia Wilde was excellent here.

The solar Sailer was a missed opportunity in terms of screen time. It slowed things up and could perhaps have been better spent on something else as far as plot goes.

now to my main point. the whole "how the hell does Quorra get out of the system?"

My take is that the computer back at the arcade has stored 2 persons worth of matter.

Kevin flynn and sam flynn.

so two go in, two can come out.

Quorra as in ISO, established as a plot point by flynn, has some sort of mystical computery DNA.

so, if we consider the laser in the arcade is effectively like a 3D printer in this sense, when something comes out of the grid, it reconstitutes matter in whatever pattern that person has.

so, it reconstitutes sam, and then uses Flynn's matter and constitutes it according to Quorra's pattern.

I totally buy that, so then follow the logic that CLU is misguided in his belief that he, and his army can leave the computer. I think the first tron movie established this can't be done. ISO's might be able to (due to flynn's explanation), but programmes can't and nothing can come out if there is no matter stored in the laser anyway.

however, CLU might have been able to do so, because he was in effect a copy of Flynn in the digital world, so CLU at least might have been able to come out of the computer, if he'd got through the portal.

as to where the next film goes. Tron Resurection doesn't seem out of bounds. Sam has a backup of the grid, he has the lab, he could if he wished, reset the grid anytime he felt like it, and go in and out as he wished.

would Flynn return? considering the explosion at the end, I'm struggling to see how they'd manage that, unless he remains as a programme within the system.

Also, how will Quorra adjust to life in the real world? as far as the real life grid is concerned she doesn't exist anyway, no SS number, no history, no birth, no anything, but hey, Sam is a multi million dollar whizz kid with pots of money, he should be able to swing that easy.
 
my main gripe with the film is a total lack (just about) of TRON himself.

we get a few seconds worth in flash back, and then rinzler becomes tron at the end.

my gripe with that is this

1. as soon as rinzler sees Flynn and regains himself, his helmet should have disappeared and we should have seen tron's face (this is at best a 3 second scene, they showed a young tron in the flashback, why didn't they do it for this moment?)
2. as soon as rinzler regains himself, he should have changed back to blue. THERE AND THEN not when he's sinking into the sea of simulation.

they could have foreshadowed who Rinzler was much earlier in the film, and also had Flynn say the line about CLU 'repurposing' programmes much earlier.

then we could have had a scene where Rinzler is seen in CLU's office with his helmet off. then we the audience know it is tron who has been repurposed, but Flynn doesn't

that would have been much tighter for me. it would also make the fate of Tron more tragic, and then also would have made his regaining himself and sacrificing himself for Flynn more meaningful.
 
my main gripe with the film is a total lack (just about) of TRON himself.

we get a few seconds worth in flash back, and then rinzler becomes tron at the end.

my gripe with that is this

1. as soon as rinzler sees Flynn and regains himself, his helmet should have disappeared and we should have seen tron's face (this is at best a 3 second scene, they showed a young tron in the flashback, why didn't they do it for this moment?)
2. as soon as rinzler regains himself, he should have changed back to blue. THERE AND THEN not when he's sinking into the sea of simulation.

they could have foreshadowed who Rinzler was much earlier in the film, and also had Flynn say the line about CLU 'repurposing' programmes much earlier.

then we could have had a scene where Rinzler is seen in CLU's office with his helmet off. then we the audience know it is tron who has been repurposed, but Flynn doesn't

that would have been much tighter for me. it would also make the fate of Tron more tragic, and then also would have made his regaining himself and sacrificing himself for Flynn more meaningful.

But, and maybe I'm alone in this, I recognized Rinzler as Tron immediately. I think it was a combination of him being the "Big Boss" at the end of the games, and the helmet hiding his identity.

"Aww Hell." I thought, "Looks like a last minute redemption/self sacrifice arc."

If anything, I wish they had been more subtle with Rinzler, and LESS subtle about Flynn believing him to be deresed.
 
Starting at Rook 3 these are some great replies....interesting.

The question is how the Tron game could store the data needed to reconstitute a human being because if it could be stored, why couldn't it be transferred or copied? Plus it would require the "mapping" of Cuorra's DNA sequence onto whatever raw material the Tron game provided. If any ISO could come through to the real world then Clu's logical flaw was in creating an army out of programs rather than out of ISOs. The perfection inherent to ISOs stems from them being able to live in both worlds. The genetic code is a much more complex program than anything written for the grid.
 
well I knew it was tron too.

even before the film, but the film had enough little hints for the uninitiated to figure it out.

1. in the flashback, you see tron is wearing rinzlers outfit with the 4 dots on the chest, its just blue
2. if you don't pick up on that, when he's fighting for flynn to escape, he kills one attacker, and takes their disc, and for a moment, looks at them, realising two discs are better than one, and as flynn runs into the distance, adopts a rinzler-esque fighting stance

so for me, there was enough to foreshadow it, but I can't help feeling it was a missed opportunity.
 
well I knew it was tron too.

even before the film, but the film had enough little hints for the uninitiated to figure it out.

1. in the flashback, you see tron is wearing rinzlers outfit with the 4 dots on the chest, its just blue
2. if you don't pick up on that, when he's fighting for flynn to escape, he kills one attacker, and takes their disc, and for a moment, looks at them, realising two discs are better than one, and as flynn runs into the distance, adopts a rinzler-esque fighting stance

so for me, there was enough to foreshadow it, but I can't help feeling it was a missed opportunity.

The 4 dots... are a T.

Tron ALWAYS has that.

I was just hoping Rinzler would have been a double agent working for Flynn.
 
The 4 dots... are a T.

Tron ALWAYS has that.

I was just hoping Rinzler would have been a double agent working for Flynn.

now you're just being pedantically picky without contributing to the discussion. for the uninitiated in the audience. Rinzler has 4 dots on his chest because they see him the most. Tron is seen in a flashback for what? 4-5 seconds and even then he's moving a lot so most wouldn't pick up on it.

I already KNEW rinzler was tron. I know the 4 dots are a nod to the classic tron costume from the first movie. sheesh, move along.
 
Saw this movie over the weekend.
I gotta admit, I was never a big fan of the original Tron. While it may have gained popularity over the past 28 years, when I first saw the film I thought it was an incredible FX driven vehicle with mediocre story.

After seeing Tron legacy I did enjoy it more than the original.
Although the storyline was very similar to the original Tron , I thought the plot motivation was more rooted on an emotional level (Searching for his dad, rather than just evidence against someone who stole video game programs) , and the mood of the film was more serious than the original.
The story also played out a bit more smoothly as a monomyth than the original film.
The acting and dialog was OK ( a few cringe worthy scenes though....Mainly the scenes with Zeus.)
I loved seeing a bit of the "dude" come out in Bridge's performance.
The action scenes were great.....I never thought the action scenes in the original film ever held any sense of peril.

THe production design was amazing.

THe pacing was alright, except for a bit of exposition that went on a little too long.

And I do agree that Tron should have been utilized more in the film.
I think his identity should have been kept a secret until the end of the film.
It would have been better to have built up Tron's reputation as a badass program through out the entire film by having him carry out more of CLU's dirty work...Also have Kevin Flynn trying to convince him to crossover through most of the film , with some Dialog like - "You know you were designed as an independent program....You were supposed to prevent these things from happening." etc.


THis would have made for a better ending by having him finally reveal himself as Tron at the end, and then have him end up helping FLynn (Would have been cool to have some dialog between Flynn and Tron in regards to their previous encounter in the first film).

For a minute in the film I thought some of the programs were going to make their way into the real world (Would have been interesting to see a lightcycle race through real city streets)

One thing I did enjoy were the little easter eggs and the sense of 80's nostalgia during certain scenes.

-During the games, on the top of one of the screens we see the word "CRAY"

-When CLU is in Flynn's house we see a small statuette of BIT.

-FLynn's kid saying "Now that's a big door!"

- Kevin Flynn acting very "Dudish"

-80's video game sounds sprinkled through the soundtrack

-FLynn's house looked very much like Dave's house in 2001: A Space Odyssey

- Journey played on the Juke box when Flynn's kid walks into the arcade.



Anyhow -

Did I enjoy the film - it was entertaining.
Did I think is was great - Not particularly
Did I think it was better than the first Tron - Yes
Do I think it was better than most sci-fi crap out today - Yes


On a side note, maybe it's just me, but couldn't take my eyes off of Quorra everytime she appeared on screen.
Ive seen Olivia Wilde on several episodes of House, but she never looked this good.
 
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now you're just being pedantically picky without contributing to the discussion. for the uninitiated in the audience. Rinzler has 4 dots on his chest because they see him the most. Tron is seen in a flashback for what? 4-5 seconds and even then he's moving a lot so most wouldn't pick up on it.

I already KNEW rinzler was tron. I know the 4 dots are a nod to the classic tron costume from the first movie. sheesh, move along.

Lil deffensive there? I didn't mean to sound like I thought you were a moron. I thought maybe you just didn't know.

I knew the first time we saw him in the trailer on the lift with CLU. Anyone who is a big fan of the first one would know that.

The audience I was with was young. And clueless as to who Tron was. Let alone where he was in this movie.

But something shoulda seemed not right the moment Rinzler said, "what? You're a user!"

And the gurggling? Rinzler doesn't have a head. The helmet IS his head. That's why you don't see Trons face after his flashback fight with CLU. (where CLU seems to sever his head)

Think of him as a backwards Vader. :lol
 
After reading some posts on here regarding some questions I thought Id offer some of my interpretations -

- How do the ISOs help humanity?
From what I saw in the film, the ISO posses a digital equivalent of a DNA code.
In the film we see Flynn is able to fix Quorra's arm by simply using her DNA code on her ID disc.
Im assuming that study of the ISO's digital code would make it possible to fix the same types of problems in the real world.
Someone has cancer, simply rewrite their DNA and get rid of the cancer.
Someone loses an arm or a leg, simply rewrite the code which can repair the arm or leg, etc.


-Is Flynn still alive?
It seems Flynn gave Quorra his ID disc near the end of the film. His DNA code and all his information (up until he gave the dic to Quarra) should be on the disc.
It wouldn't be hard to put that info back in the grid to reconstruct FLynn, and then reintegrate him in Human form back in the real world with the same method that Quorra was brought to the real world..

-How is tha laser able to create Quora in the real world?
People are made up of atoms so It would seem logical that the laser merely takes atoms and recreates her based on the DNA structure on her ID disc.

THose are just my assumptions though.
 
well referring to my earlier post. flynn stated ISO's had DNA of sorts, and you see Quorra's on her disc when he's repairing her arm.

so it implies she has a DNA structure a computer could use to construct her in the real world. the only caveat being it has to use matter already stored in the laser to reconstruct it when it uploads to get out.
 
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