Torchwood Season 5

I agree about the depressing thing, but acknowledge that it's a me thing rather than an objective criticism. I think CoE and MD were good drama, but the premise was just so bleak that it wasn't fun to watch.
 
TheDoctor said:
Torchwood was at it's best when it was fun with dramatic elements.
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Agreed! When they make it as depressing as Miracle Day, then adding in the fun and quirky side of Jack seemed a little too forced.
I'd love for it to go back to the earlier style, but I'm not sure it'd be possible to capture that feeling without Ianto, Owen or Tosh.
 
I thought Children of Earth was about the finest science fiction television ever made, but I liked Serenity too! I know people get so attached to the characters, they're resistant of change. I view character sacrifices as both necessary and bold. I hated Miracle Day because I thought the show lost its way. I thought they got Jack all wrong and his character became completely opposite of everything established until now. If they'd have known Miracle Day would be so awful, I wish they would have just ended with Children of Earth. It sucks seeing a show reach it's zenith with one season and then find it's nadir with the very next. IF they bring back Torchwood, I hope they remember what made it work.
 
Miracle Day was a typical American television spin straying away from what made the British version great. Examples: Life on Mars, Being Human, Shameless, Top Gear...
 
You're right. I think too much was changed based on "hey look, we're making it for American viewers now!!" forgetting the fact that US audiences had already been enjoying the show the way it was.
 
Miracle Day killed it.

Please GAWD let it be dead.

It was good when it was good, but the bad taste from last season...............it would take a Gwen nude scene to wash it away. :lol
 
wuher da brewer said:
I thought Children of Earth was about the finest science fiction television ever made, but I liked Serenity too! I know people get so attached to the characters, they're resistant of change. I view character sacrifices as both necessary and bold. I hated Miracle Day because I thought the show lost its way. I thought they got Jack all wrong and his character became completely opposite of everything established until now. If they'd have known Miracle Day would be so awful, I wish they would have just ended with Children of Earth. It sucks seeing a show reach it's zenith with one season and then find it's nadir with the very next. IF they bring back Torchwood, I hope they remember what made it work.
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Character sacrifice can be a good thing IF
- It means something - i.e. their death was felt far beyond the episode they died... Tosh, Ianto, Owen... they're barely mentioned and most of their deaths were fairly pointless. That was the biggest problem with Ianto's death is that it was completely pointless (and I really don't think Torchwood is deep enough to get into the whole "death is pointless" thing).
- It advances the plot in some meaningful way. Again, none of the character deaths did that.
- It is Gwen. Sorry, I just really don't like Gwen... she was tolerable in the first two seasons (barely) because you had the other characters. With Miracle Day making her into the MAIN character, it just doesn't work.

"Children of Earth" was some very fine Science Fiction, but it was completely inappropriate for Torchwood. It would be like Doctor Who (with Matt Smith) suddenly launching into a dramatic World War 2 epic about the Holocost (in the style of Schindler's List). That's "Children of Earth". If we dump The Doctor on a planet where everybody is starving, sick, and poor, then take away his Tardis and Sonic Screwdriver and tell him the world will slowly burn to death... that's "Miracle Day".

IF they do a Season 5, the only way they can redeem themselves is to give Jack a new team, let them save the world against an unknown aggressor, and don't give us any dramatic, sacrificial, "scare you intellectually" crap. Maybe Jack can team up with the "missing" Torchwood. Leave out Gwen and leave out "the world is going to die" sort of thing.
 
Capt. Jack Harkness MUST come back, in SOME form or fashion! Do you hear me?!? He MUST COME BACK!!! :cool
Oh yeah: Screw Starz
 
So most folks want Jack back, but aren't so keen on Torchwood (at least, not if it's like Miracle Day)?
Simple answer, bring Jack back into Doctor Who.


While we're at it, now might be the time to suggest a spin-off for The Doctor's daughter as a possible replacement to The Sarah Jane Adventures.

PS: Sad news about RTD, I had no idea.
 
Angelus Lupus said:
So most folks want Jack back, but aren't so keen on Torchwood (at least, not if it's like Miracle Day)?
Simple answer, bring Jack back into Doctor Who.


While we're at it, now might be the time to suggest a spin-off for The Doctor's daughter as a possible replacement to The Sarah Jane Adventures.

PS: Sad news about RTD, I had no idea.
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I don't think it's necessarily "Torchwood" that's the problem. Season 1 & 2 were good, and Children of Earth was excellent - it's just time to move it away from being terribly depressing and back to something a bit less... dramatic.

I see Miracle Day as an old episode of Twilight Zone. Someone found a Magic Genie and said "I wish for more Torchwood like Children of Earth!" What the person wanted was something that was written as well and had a storyline that kept you interested and guessing. What the Genie granted was something that was even more depressing, more hopeless, and, more Gwen. It ends with the wisher down on their knees in the rain shouting "NOOOOOOOOOO!" while the Genie laughs.

As for the suggestion of bringing Jack back to Doctor Who.... I don't know. If it's just an episode or two, it's a tease and not enough. If it's as a companion... it would be one long innuendo (at least you didn't notice as much in Torchwood because the whole show was hyper-sexed... Who is another matter - it's supposed to be a 'family' show).

Jack got his start on Who, and I do like to see him back occasionally, but I think Jack needs to be in his own show for the character to reach his potential. Miracle Day took that potential and flushed it straight down the toilet.
 
I LOVED the first 2 seasons of Torchwood, and Children of Earth wasn't bad. I didn't like Miracle Day but it was better than nothing I guess. They can't just end it there - Rex coming back like that? They have to give us something to wrap it all up!! PLEASE!
 
mathgrad85 said:
I LOVED the first 2 seasons of Torchwood, and Children of Earth wasn't bad. I didn't like Miracle Day but it was better than nothing I guess. They can't just end it there - Rex coming back like that? They have to give us something to wrap it all up!! PLEASE!
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I have to admit... That WAS a classic Whoniverse ending. :cool
 
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