Things you're tired of seeing in movies

Solo4114 said:
I always thought gut wounds take a while to kill you, although I suppose it depends on whether you have sepsis or septicemia or just a through-and through in your stomach.

In either the case of sepsis or septicemia, it'd seem like a truly awful way to go, but I don't imagine it'd be that quick.

By that, however, I mean, like, a matter of hours, rather than a matter of minutes.

The Americans did a pretty good job with that, it seemed, when they had characters take knives to the abdomen. These guys lasted at least a little while before they died.
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Quigley Down Under made "good" use of a gutshot to advance the plot a bit. "Because if you don't tell me, I'll let you live." "I'm kinda new around here, so I'm curious. Do you think the dingoes will get you first, or the ants?"

Unless you're dealing with an "instant-kill" shot (brain stem or spine - C1 thru about T3, I think,) how quickly someone is going to die depends on quite a number of factors. Yes, someone can die instantly from a thoracic or abdominal wound - but I think Stephen King said it best in Survivor Type: "Sooner or later in every medical student's career, the question comes up: 'How much shock-trauma can the patient stand?' Cut to its base level, the answer is always another question: 'How badly does the patient want to survive?' "

Konking out from hydraulic shock? Depends on the bullet used and will to live.
Konking out from septicemia/peritonitis? Depends on the environment, innate resistance, and will to live.

I could go on.

(TANGENT: I'd love to see Survivor Type made as a short - but you know Hollywood would screw the pooch on it. Badly.)

Thoracic wounds can kill more quickly, through disturbance of the pleura and collapse of lungs (one-sided pneumothorax takes a while, bilateral PTHX happens much more quickly.) But, even a cardiac through-and-through isn't necessarily immediately fatal - you've got to wait for "vapour lock," essentially, and that can take up to ninety seconds, in some cases. Hypovolemia isn't an instant killer, I've some personal experience with that.
 
Solo4114 said:
Maybe Steyr made a sniper version? I dunno. It might also have been that I think the handle has an integrated 2x or 1x scope. Still, I'd figure something like an SVD would make more sense and still would've looked reasonably exotic back in the 80s.
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Steyr AUG - "Army Universal Gun." Kinda like the old Stoner 63 - you got it as a kit, and you could fit it out according to anticipated use (this can be done in a slightly limited fashion with the M4/M16 as well - Google "M4 SOPMOD" for an extreme example of the kit. Yes, it does exist - I was issued one. Yes, it's an extensive kit.)

The AR-10/AR-15/M16/M4 is actually a successor design to the Stoner 63 - still by Eugene Stoner - in an attempt to create a reliable (somewhat,) modular (very,) user-configurable battle rifle. I'd still rather have an M1 Garand - but the AR-10 in its original .30-06 was a damned fine shooter as well.

And, there is a belt-fed version of the M16/M4 that was in the inventory for eval - the Colt LMG (Light Machine Gun.) Lots of parts commonality, once you get outside the lower receiver, and it would accept belted ammo or box magazines.

Anyhow, I'm rambling.
 
Michael Bergeron said:
Superheroes.

ENOUGH WITH THIS GOD DAMNED SUPERHERO MOVIES!
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Yes, there are a lot of super hero movies these days so I can see how some people might think this way. I, however, am not one of them. I am in hog heaven with these super hero movies! I was born in the mid sixties and I was into comic books even before I could read. Before I even knew what numbers are, I was into super heroes. Even as a very young child I wished with all my might that some day we would get to see super heroes on screen in all their glory. I remember watching the Olympics as a kid and thinking "these gymnasts are the type of guys who could play Spider-man!" I loved the old Batman tv show but even then I knew it was not Batman done right.

When the first Superman movie came out I loved it. But even then I knew making a man fly onscreen was nowhere near making a Spider-man who could swing right. And I thought that 70s Spider-man tv show was God awful!! I remember the first time it was announced in Starlog that the Batman movie rights were bought and having to wait another 10 years before the movie was made. When the first Spider-man movie came out it was finally the end of a 38 year long wait for me.

I've already seen enough space movies, cop movies, cowboys, comedies, war movies, gangsters, etc to last me a lifetime. The days of actual good super hero movies is still really in it's infancy. I've read comics for almost 50 years and I wouldn't care if every single one of them was made into a movie, as long as it is done right. I'm all for it!!

Can I get a amen from ya there, fellow super hero lovers?
 
Laspector said:
Yes, there are a lot of super hero movies these days so I can see how some people might think this way. I, however, am not one of them. I am in hog heaven with these super hero movies! I was born in the mid sixties and I was into comic books even before I could read. Before I even knew what numbers are, I was into super heroes. Even as a very young child I wished with all my might that some day we would get to see super heroes on screen in all their glory. I remember watching the Olympics as a kid and thinking "these gymnasts are the type of guys who could play Spider-man!" I loved the old Batman tv show but even then I knew it was not Batman done right.

When the first Superman movie came out I loved it. But even then I knew making a man fly onscreen was nowhere near making a Spider-man who could swing right. And I thought that 70s Spider-man tv show was God awful!! I remember the first time it was announced in Starlog that the Batman movie rights were bought and having to wait another 10 years before the movie was made. When the first Spider-man movie came out it was finally the end of a 38 year long wait for me.

I've already seen enough space movies, cop movies, cowboys, comedies, war movies, gangsters, etc to last me a lifetime. The days of actual good super hero movies is still really in it's infancy. I've read comics for almost 50 years and I wouldn't care if every single one of them was made into a movie, as long as it is done right. I'm all for it!!

Can I get a amen from ya there, fellow super hero lovers?
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And what are the odds of that? Granted, I'm not overly fond of the superhero genre (I tend more toward action/adventure, with heroes being ordinary people in extraordinary circumstances,) but Hollywood screws up everything it touches.

I still can't quite forgive Verhoeven for what he did to Starship Troopers...
 
Jon Kelley said:
The AR-10/AR-15/M16/M4 is actually a successor design to the Stoner 63 - still by Eugene Stoner - in an attempt to create a reliable (somewhat,) modular (very,) user-configurable battle rifle. I'd still rather have an M1 Garand - but the AR-10 in its original .30-06 was a damned fine shooter as well.
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You sure about that? I always though that the AR-10 was always chambered for .308/7.62x51 from the get go and not .30-06 since its competitors in the bid to replace the M1 Garand were also all chambered for 7.62x51 and all modern versions of the AR-10 are also chambered for 7.62x51.
 
Riceball said:
You sure about that? I always though that the AR-10 was always chambered for .308/7.62x51 from the get go and not .30-06 since its competitors in the bid to replace the M1 Garand were also all chambered for 7.62x51 and all modern versions of the AR-10 are also chambered for 7.62x51.
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Eugene Stoner originally designed the AR-10 in .30-06, and it has been rereleased as the "AR-10 Original," I believe. The popularity of the M1A/M14 resulted in downsizing it to accept .308, then it was knocked down again for Vietnam to .223 to increase ammo loadout (which was dumb - because the M14 and M1 were both more useful in the dense foliage of Vietnam.)

Submission for trial (roughly contemporary with prototypes of the M14) resulted in Stoner scaling the rifle down slightly to accept 7.62x51mm ammo (vice the 7.62x63/.30-06 it was originally designed for,) but I believe various untested ideas resulted in the rifle being found unsuitable for type acceptance by DoD - and the M14 won. (Civilian version of the M14 is the M1A - the difference being that the M14 is, as I recall, a select-fire battle rifle. Both are essentially the M1 Garand, scaled down slightly, some modifications, and altered to accept a box magazine instead of the en block clip.)

These "untested" ideas got tested and either rejected/replaced or refined for utility, and the rifle got scaled down again to accept 5.56x45 ammunition. In some ways, this was a mistake (but this is the same DoD that decided that we should standardise with the rest of NATO and make the M9 pistol in 9x19mm Luger general issue. There's a reason that most PDs have been shifting away from the 9mm in favour of the .40 Smith & Wesson or the 10mm Auto - the primary effect that being shot with a 9mm had on me was p***ing me off very badly. Hurt once the shock wore off - but I'd dispatched the threat by then.

(It should be noted that the 9x19mm Luger and the .45ACP are contemporary - the 9x19 was finalised ca. 1903, the .45ACP ca. 1905. But, I digress.)

While the 5x56x45mm NATO round is of marginal utility once the environs get nasty, at least the AR platform is modular. The AR-15/M16/M4 can be altered to accept any cartridge .50 calibre or less, case head sized same as 7.62x39mm, .45ACP, or 7.62x51mm or smaller, and with an overall length of 2.25" loaded or less (I've seen, fired, and handled AR-15/M16 rifles chambered in anything from .22LR up through .50 Beowulf, and the 6.8mm SPC is rapidly gaining ground, since it is more useful at limited ranges - say, 300m or less - than the 5.56x45mm. The .300 Whisper is also gaining ground for short-range tactical use - call it 125m or less.)

But, I recall seeing the original promo video for the AR-10 (filmed with Gene Stoner "storming the beach") and it was definitely using .30-06/7.62x63 ammo. This factoid was also pointed up by the narrator.

Considering Gene Stoner was himself a Marine, and would therefore have carried the M1 Garand, perhaps he was starting out by working with a cartridge he knew well, before modifying the design? That's what I'd likely do.
 
I'm tired of movies that show the moon in extreme close orbit around Earth. You know when the moon looks as big as holding a trashcan lid at arms length? The moon has only been somewhere around that close right after it formed.
 
Gentlemen, I humbly request you start a gun discussion thread. I don't object to the subject but your OT tangent is dominating the thread.

My next entry: characters taking a comedy slapstick fall (or similar physical misfortune) and yelling "I'm okay!" from off screen. Appears over and over and over. The line wasn't funny the first time. Still baffled by it.
 
p51 said:
How about the Wilhelm Scream for cats? That standard cat howl you hear every time there's a cat sound to be made? It's used for comedic effect a lot when someone's stumbling around somewhere off camera...
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Out in the desert? Time for the eagle/hawk sound.

Sent from my Etch A Sketch.
 
Prophecies. Most of the time a movie's story won't explain where it came from, who wrote it and why it should be considered a trusted source to begin with. It comes off as one of those writing schticks that tries to make a character appear more special than they have any right to be and have the writing come off as clever when the characters do the things that the prophecy said they would do.
 
p51 said:
How about the Wilhelm Scream for cats? That standard cat howl you hear every time there's a cat sound to be made? It's used for comedic effect a lot when someone's stumbling around somewhere off camera...
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In this classic animated short there's a cat that does a human Wilhelm scream and it's actually pretty funny. Skip to around 3:38 and 7:00 for the cat.


 
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