Things you're tired of seeing in movies
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Riceball
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Fight scene that are shot so tight and cuts so quickly that you can't tell what's happening.
Wirework for characters who are not using magic/superpowers and are not being propelled by an explosion or something. Mystique rotating head to toe in the the first X-Men comes to mind. And Romeo Must Die, but I think we covered that a few dozen posts ago.
Chameleon Effects that have the surface as like little panels all the time drives me nuts. Take a look at Mystique or Viper (the Tv Series). Just about any time they have a effect like that it always ends up being little panels or particles that flip over or obscure the surface. Another thing that drives me nuts are when you have someone that can change their appearance and they end up morphing into something twice the size they actually are... like on Once Upon a Time... she transforms into a dragon 10x her size and mass? Really? If that were true, then the dragon would either be hallow, or when she transformed into human form she'd be seriously compacted to the point she couldn't move. At least Grimm has the transformations somewhat right... when they transform they don't change mass.
p51
Sr Member
I have personally seen people get hit by the shock wave of high explosives. Only their clothes move, if that.
I once got my K-pot ripped off by a JADAM dropped way too close because the laser targeting designator was lasing a bush between us and the intended target and it blew all the canvas off our Humvee and shattered all the windows. But nothing went more than 2 feet or so. The ideathat a person would be thrown several feet is ridiculous.
In movies where a hand grenade tosses someone out of a hole is laughable, I've seen plenty of grenades go off and all they do is create a small puff of brown smoke and hardly even move dust around. Their lethality is in scattering all those tiny metal fragments all over.
Solo4114
Master Member
To be fair, in Once Upon a Time, you're dealing with magic, which means "Rules don't apply, except what we tell you the rules are." In Grimm, you're still grounded in the real world, mostly, but there's magic, too. Given that Grimm comes to us from former Buffy creators, and Once Upon a Time comes to us from former LOST creators, I'd say it kinda tracks.
Well even Magic has to follow the rules of Physics! All magic really is is just technology and understanding of physics beyond our comprehension. If we went back in time with a lighter from today it would be seen as magic. Now if the dragon ended up being like a hologram or something, that would make sense, but I doubt it would be able to eat anyone or do any real damage except breathing fire which from that standpoint would mean that a flame thrower would be hidden in the holographic projection and anti-gravity would have to allow it to fly around with the evil queen flying around inside the illusion somehow. But once broken down into the laws of physics, there really isn't much magic at all.
Riceball
Master Member
While that may be true in real life in terms of a fantasy world like Grimm and Once Upon a Time magic is truly magic and not just highly advanced technology. I'd argue that magic in these two shows is no different than magic in Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, or D&D; would you argue that in any of those examples that magic is anything but magic?
No... I just don't believe in magic... "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C.Clarke ... so going on the assumption that magic does not exist, logic dictates that it it would have to be some kind of advanced technology. So many charlatans have been debunked... sure they have been elaborate illusions, but true magic doesn't exist... no matter how nice and pretty they make it look in fantasy shows and movies.
Victor3
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Riceball
Master Member
Either that or she got a whole lot denser since her normal body mass would have to go somewhere.
Solo4114
Master Member
Um...no it doesn't. That's what makes it magic and not "unexplained science."
Bingo.
Magic in these shows is stuff that purposely defies the laws of physics. Grimm sort of grounds its Wessen as real people, but then you have episodes like the one about La Llorona which are truly unexplained phenomena that defy physics.
Do you have to believe in something to pretend it's real? Because that's all that's going on in these shows. We're pretending that something which we know isn't real exists and plays by its own rules. It's not meant to be convincing us that, no, seriously, Wessen exist or there really is a Storybrooke and portals and an enchanted forest.
I mean, I don't believe that there's such a thing as the Force, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy Star Wars, and I enjoy it vastly more when the Force is treated like magic, rather than crap that gets explained by "midichlorians" (which still doesn't explain how you can see the future or levitate things, but whatever).
Laspector
Master Member
Well now, let's think this midichlorian thing through... I thought they were the things that give you access to the Force. They are not the Force itself. As the Ark was "a radio to talk to God", the midichlorians kinda work the same way, right? They are the radio to talk to the Force. So the Force is really never scientifically explained, only the conduit by which you can access it.
At least that's my take on it.
At least that's my take on it.
Zombie_61
Master Member
Even that "conduit" is more phony-baloney-hocus-pocus. Midi-chlorians are nothing more than a plot device--a way for Qui-Gon to quantify Anakin's Force Sensitivity for the Jedi Council. Lucas had to come up with something that Qui-Gon could use to prove Anakin was The One spoken of in the prophecy or the Jedi Council could easily have told him, "Oh, you think you've found The One? Well we're not so sure, so leave him there until we figure out what to do."
For 16 years I have failed to understand why Midichlorians pissed off everyone. Did Egon's PKE meter take all the supernatural magic out of Ghostbusters?
I found the Midichlorians a nice realistic touch, if anything. It wasn't explaining the Force, it was indirectly measuring it.
The SW culture uses faster-than-light interplanetary travel as easily as we use cars & trucks. Its not hard to figure they might also have found some useful biological indicator about Force abilities.
I found the Midichlorians a nice realistic touch, if anything. It wasn't explaining the Force, it was indirectly measuring it.
The SW culture uses faster-than-light interplanetary travel as easily as we use cars & trucks. Its not hard to figure they might also have found some useful biological indicator about Force abilities.
Laspector
Master Member
Hey, I agree with you. I was just trying to come up with something to explain it. But yeah, the whole thing was dumb.
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