The Walking Dead - Season 6 Discussion
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SmilingOtter
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Question: when Enid grudgingly agreed to stay in the house with Carl, and was talking to him about Alexandria being too big, she starts saying something about "That's how we..." before he cuts her off. I'm wondering if she was about to confess to being one of the Wolves, sent in as an infiltrator.
Monkey67
Sr Member
Yeah, had her as my spy since they showed her jumping the fence all the time. Nothing more innocent than a little scared girl alone. The people inside are so stupid that they wouldn't even see the wolf in sheep Clothings.
I was thinking the same thing... because they had to have some kind of inside info as to when everyone of the people that would have stopped them was gone for them to make their move on the town. The big question will be how will they ward off the zombie herd that is coming for them and will they end up moving to a new area or stay and defend this one!?
Riceball
Master Member
I'd try to defend the town, if possible, solid shelter like Alexandria is hard to come by so it's worth saving but only as long it doesn't look like a lost cause. Ideally, with the horn no longer going off they might be able to herd some of the strays back, enough so that they can take out what strays do get to Alexandria without worrying about the sheer mass of walkers toppling the walls.
If they do try to defend Alexandria I do hope that this time around they'll actually work out a real bug out plan with a rendezvous point. Twice now they've had to bug out from their home in a hurry and both times it was clear they didn't have a plan and/or a rendezvous point for where they'd all meet up if they got separated.
cayman shen
Master Member
And the whole "walking to Terminus" season was the worst, most boring season. The season I almost stopped watching. So they'd better not do 20 episodes of people walking the train tracks talking! Keep up the intense action, Walking Dead!
Riceball
Master Member
Their plan B seems to be, let's wander around aimlessly, going from one memorable spot to another and hope that we run into each other again. How hard is it to say, if we have to get the hell out of Dodge in a hurry and get split up, everybody try to get to X, if you're not there in X number of days, we'll move on to spot Y, and so on down the line. This is not only basic survival, this also what parents do with their kids whenever they go to a crowded place like a mall or amusement park, if we get separated go to X and we'll find you there. Very simple, and basic stuff that somehow eluded 3 sets of parents.
CB2001
Master Member
There's one flaw with your hypothesis: Enid is said to have been at the community for eight months when Carl was introduced to her. In that final episode of last season, we see one if the Wolves looking through the photos from Aaron's pack. If she was a spy, then there'd be no need to have the setup of Aaron's pack showing pictures of Alexandria (it is this set that is harken back to in last night's episode, where Aaron finds his backpack with one of the dead Wolves and finds the photos in them).
If she was a spy for the Wolves and had been in there for eight months, why didn't they strike the community sooner? By the way it looks now, they found the photos, took a few days to locate the community and then attacked. If they had known about Alexandria eight months ago, the community would have been long gone before Rick and Company started to head to Washington.
Monkey67
Sr Member
You just don't attack a location with out making sure all angles n info is accounted for. The recon, Intel, photos of the building will all need to be checked out. 8 months allow you to have a normal schedule and route checked. It allows for Alexandria to gain more supplies to better their town..so you can take it. Let the town ppl put their lives in danger to get that extra can of ravioli miles away. Maybe they were gonna attack sooner, but they saw Rick and his team show up. Enid warned them of who the new tough season guys are. Too dangerous to attack with them there. Rick and all the A-team leave to run the zombie 2K. So they attack while it's safer. Only issue carol is playing possum and not Rambo in town. No one knew that other than Rick n friends. Enid sure didn't nor did she know Carl has street cred as well. Attack is foiled and must regroup now. Their plan of having the town all looking normal to ambush Rick is gone.
The back pack photos Aaron finds of his prove that a spy is in town. Someone had to have taken them for the wolves.
The back pack photos Aaron finds of his prove that a spy is in town. Someone had to have taken them for the wolves.
Aaron left that backpack with the photos in the car when he and Daryl sprang that trap that the wolves had at the end of last season. When they made their run for it and ran into Morgan he left it behind. The Wolves came to reset the trap and found the backpack.
Those were the photos he was carrying around to show recruits what they done as a way of coaxing them to come live with them
Out of it all, Judith has shrunk and mutated into a new kid. LOL.
CB2001
Master Member
Again, the flaw in your hypothesis: Enid was with them for EIGHT MONTHS. At least two weeks would be enough to recon that community prior to Rick and Company's arrival (and even then, it took Rick and Company a few days to finally take over). The only explanation that explains why they didn't attack sooner is that they didn't know Alexandra existed until they found the photos in Aaron's backpack. If the Wolves had known about the community sooner, they would have attacked it sooner, killed everyone sooner and Rick and Company would have just walked on to Washington without even knowing about Alexandra. That's as clear as it can be shown. By the logic you're presented that the Wolves knew about the community for the past eight months, you're also saying that the Wolves Morgan encountered at his camp site would have waited eight months before trying to kill him and steal his stuff instead of having the confrontation we see in the start of the Season 5 finale.
The reason why the gate was shown unguarded that time is probably because when the Wolves probably sent one over their wall, that one Wolf attacked and killed the guard and opened the front gate to allow the others of their pack to get in (they had to get in some way, and Rick already pointed out the flaw in the wall's design after the group started to be a part of the community, which is that the struts on the outside of the wall could allow a human to climb up it in order to get into the community). One goes over, kills the guard, opens the gate and lets the others in. That's pretty much how I figured it when I saw the gate open.
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Monkey67
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Man you are really hung up on 8 months. Spies can be inside a system or undercover for years. Leak info and have all the freedom of an area before anyone knows better. I think you been watching too much James Bond or mission impossible movies. Spy can do it all in 3 days or less. It takes time to run a job like that. ****, theives will work a job for a year or so to just get clearance to different levels of access. Once they have it all figured out. The job does on with out a problem. Maybe she even pulled this stunt with the Noah's little neighborhood 1st. Her comic book from the last season was even named "wolves or wolf something. Idk, but time isn't the issue..it's the results.
annanake
Sr Member
they had to fire bomb the guard on top of the gate watching over the mayor lady or whatever she is . there is no top of the wall at the gate (again design flaw) there would just be a dude standing walking around that area and the front is a double gate system with a fence and a metal gate behind that . there didn't seem to be blood or a fiery corpse left there it seemed to me( and was filmed as though ) that the Molotov cocktail to the guards face was the opening salvo in there attack .
CB2001
Master Member
So, what do you think they needed to learn in eight months that couldn't be learned in two weeks, three at most?
Besides, your comparison to thieves doesn't apply to this. Why? Because thieves have to take into account alarms, security systems and an army of guards. Alexandra didn't have any of that. Hell, they didn't even have an armed guard up in the tower of the church until Sasha volunteered and Deanna told Rick and company that there was nothing up there but an empty rifle!
Another flaw in your hypothesis about Enid being used on Noah's neighborhood is that Noah was there before leaving. If Enid does the same eight month stay, which you claim she would do in Alexandra in order to get as much information as possible, that means that Noah would have seen her many times at his community and then recognized her again at Alexandra. Both are small communities, they would have eventually run into each other (unless one of them was being held captive in a back building, like how Glenn and Maggie, and eventually Andrea, were held by the Governor and his men in Season 3), which is not the case.
What is seen or heard on screen is valid, though people fail to get that. For a while, after the Season 4 mid-season finale, people thought the Governor was still alive, despite being stabbed by Michonne and even seeing from his point of view, his death by gunshot. People thought he was still alive, because we never see the headshot occur on screen. What it took to confirm his death was the start of the Season 4 mid-season premiere, where we see the Governor's dead body with a bullet hole in his head for the fans to get it. You see Enid climbing over the fence, but this is explained when she tells Carl (and us) she does it because she feels like she belongs out there. In the flashback at the start of the episode, we see her losing her parents, to traveling for a bit, all by herself until she ended up at Alexandra. If she had encountered the Wolves, there would have been a scene included in that montage. If you don't believe that, how about the fact that anyone who is not apart of their pack that they come across, they killed (like how the Wolves tried to kill Morgan when they came across him? Or how about the man they murdered and the woman they tied to a tree and left to get eaten by Walkers, you know, the victims Aaron and Daryl found? Or the man in the orange poncho for crying out loud?). Enid was with her parents from what we see, and they sure didn't show any Ws on their corpse's foreheads. That means she wasn't a part of the Wolves, and if the Wolves had found her, they would have killed her, not use her as a spy (as they would have sent one of their own, and then they wouldn't have waited eight freakin' months to attack). THAT is going from what's shown in the show. Now, where in the show does it suggest that she's a member of the Wolves?
Well, we didn't see the ground, so we don't know if there was any blood around that area. Plus, there's a good chance that the Wolf they sent over the wall used a knife to slit the gate guard's throat and then was dragged off before it completely bled out (as they were all armed with blade weapons and were dragging bodies out into the road). Another possibility as to why the gate was open and unguarded: the guard at the gate was the woman that got stabbed in the gut and taken to Denise (the one in the yellow shirt that was rescued by Aaron and Rosita, the one who died on the stretcher), and that the gate was hanging open because Deanna went out to check on her only living son, the guy at the tower, while all hell was breaking loose inside the community. This seems more likely just thinking back to the episode. When we first see him attempting to snipe the Wolves, it's in direction of the road that leads to the front gate (a similar POV we've seen from Sasha when she spotted people running towards the fight between Rick and Pete).
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Monkey67
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The wolves don't kill everyone they run across. If they did, the wolves would simply be wolf. You gain, lose and use members. Those that are useless, become rogues / run always would likely be killed. Just like in nature with a pack. See maybe lady in the woods tied to the tree. The orange poncho could have been a member at one time that ran away. Just cause your in a club doesn't mean you see & know everything in the group. So they took him to a new area before killing him.
I never said she was the one to pull that trick at Noah's hood. They could of used anyone to pull that trick while Enid was working Alexandria. How long was Noah missing before he return home? A few months at least I would say.
theives & spies work hand in hand on a chart. Both are looking for Intel, items, schedules, alarms, threats, keys ( didn't Enid has a set to the whole joint in the last episode), ways to beat / advance their goals. The longer the person is casting the place the better their chances become to pull it off. But it is truly all about trust..once that is achieved, the rest is just a cake walk. So 2 weeks compared to 8 months is trust! They see that person as one of their own, a stand up faithful person. Yet it's all a masquerade in eye sight.
Enid :
key ring set ( locks, guns, houses, gates, food storage) I'll have to double check it. At work right now so can't watch it again.
Wolves comic
jumping fences and hiding in the woods ( possible Intel drop)
seen as a helpless innocent little girl
said "it's too be big to defend, so that's why we.." Got cut off.
doesnt try to defend off / kill anyone of the wolves
seems to have guilt after the massacre
feels alone and not a part of the Alexandria group.
jss ( just simply survive)..better to serve the massive wolves group and live than be slaughtered by them.
or its simple it's a Kanasas city scuffle. Everyone is looking this way ( Enid) when you should be looking that way.. Now that would be great also too.
I never said she was the one to pull that trick at Noah's hood. They could of used anyone to pull that trick while Enid was working Alexandria. How long was Noah missing before he return home? A few months at least I would say.
theives & spies work hand in hand on a chart. Both are looking for Intel, items, schedules, alarms, threats, keys ( didn't Enid has a set to the whole joint in the last episode), ways to beat / advance their goals. The longer the person is casting the place the better their chances become to pull it off. But it is truly all about trust..once that is achieved, the rest is just a cake walk. So 2 weeks compared to 8 months is trust! They see that person as one of their own, a stand up faithful person. Yet it's all a masquerade in eye sight.
Enid :
key ring set ( locks, guns, houses, gates, food storage) I'll have to double check it. At work right now so can't watch it again.
Wolves comic
jumping fences and hiding in the woods ( possible Intel drop)
seen as a helpless innocent little girl
said "it's too be big to defend, so that's why we.." Got cut off.
doesnt try to defend off / kill anyone of the wolves
seems to have guilt after the massacre
feels alone and not a part of the Alexandria group.
jss ( just simply survive)..better to serve the massive wolves group and live than be slaughtered by them.
or its simple it's a Kanasas city scuffle. Everyone is looking this way ( Enid) when you should be looking that way.. Now that would be great also too.
