The Walking Dead Season 4

[MFP 2020]

(It's just a TV show, but) They leave all their long arms outside in a big plastic bin??? Wouldn't it have made more sense to kill all the zombies than it would to make big poles to shore up the fence? If you can make horde traps in Minecraft, why not walker traps in TWD?

Herschel said it best: "It's a wonder you people are still alive."

 

[CB2001]

(It's just a TV show, but) They leave all their long arms outside in a big plastic bin??? Wouldn't it have made more sense to kill all the zombies than it would to make big poles to shore up the fence? If you can make horde traps in Minecraft, why not walker traps in TWD?

Nope. Guns shots attract more Walkers. They have the guns ready in case they need them (such as if the Governor showed up again without warning and with an even bigger army for example). They were trying to secure the fence so that they could continue to kill the Walkers silently, thus not risking attracting more of them.

Not to mention, we don't know how much ammo they have left for all the guns. And when the round is fired, then that round is gone and that's one less than you had before. And on a long enough timeline, you'd run out of ammo long before you run out of Walkers to shoot.

 

[MFP 2020]

Nope. Guns shots attract more Walkers. They have the guns ready in case they need them (such as if the Governor showed up again without warning and with an even bigger army for example). They were trying to secure the fence so that they could continue to kill the Walkers silently, thus not risking attracting more of them.

Not to mention, we don't know how much ammo they have left for all the guns. And when the round is fired, then that round is gone and that's one less than you had before. And on a long enough timeline, you'd run out of ammo long before you run out of Walkers to shoot.

My first issue was, you don't leave guns out in the weather. But did you notice all the boxes of ammo on the table beside the bins?

I wasn't even talking about shooting them. They don't have to shoot all of them, or any of them; they just have to keep them from massing on the fence. Dig some moats. Channel them into large pits and set them on fire. Hell, get in a car and run them over.

As far as the plan to not attract any via gunshot, they just called down the Million Walker March on themselves. So much for that plan.

But hey, IJATVS, so if the plot calls for them to be stupid, then stupid it is.

 

[CB2001]

As far as the plan to not attract any via gunshot, they just called down the Million Walker March on themselves. So much for that plan.

If you mean the megahorde that Daryl and company run into on their way to the vet. college, you're mistaken. That megahorde, and the college, is 50 miles away from the prison. There's no way for them to hear those shots. Now, if you mean the zombies within a half a mile of the prison, then yeah, they'd be screwed.

 

[robstyle]

I assumed the bins of "Guns N' Ammo" were rescued from Woodbury yet nobody has spoken of going back to gather supplies just as nobody seems to have mentioned the million zombie march heading towards them. And is it just me or was the other side of the prison complete with tall and thick cement/brick walls? Why dont they just move to the other side of the prison, wait, my bad, its not in the script, carry on.

 

[Monkey67]

Yeah that is pretty close! I'm right off Norristown Road (about a mile down from where 611 meets County Line Road)

Hey, you guys can get together for spaghetti Tuesdays. :lol


Why do they do with all the dead zombie bodies after they killed them at the fence? Doing this for months should have left a ton of bodies to burn and clear out. Why did they ever go on the outside and mow down a ton of them to clear the area. Had to do something so get to the dead bodies to burn right? So it should have never been too big of a problem. Plus why ever never dug a trench on the one side while all the zombies were on the other. Sure it would take some time, but 3ft trench would keep them at bay. But with out drama like this we wouldn't have a show.

 

[Sir Angus]

I love this show and enjoyed the last episode for a variety of reasons, but from a critical viewpoint there's a few things that have plagued TWD from the pilot ...

1) No one seems to talk about anything critical to survival in a timely manner.

2) During immediate threats, characters quibble amongst each other rather than just nut up.

3) Rick's survivers are more focused on making everyone feel good than surviving.

4) Characters storm off/run off/wander off with little to no concern for the current threats.

5) Very little effort is put into building fortifications (outside of Woodbury) or reinforcing their position.

For all of this, I blame the writers/director. I think the actors are amazing and do an excellent job, but the material they're given to work with has many flaws that could be easily avoided all without making the survivers seem unbelieveable.

 

[Riceball]

My first issue was, you don't leave guns out in the weather. But did you notice all the boxes of ammo on the table beside the bins?

I wasn't even talking about shooting them. They don't have to shoot all of them, or any of them; they just have to keep them from massing on the fence. Dig some moats. Channel them into large pits and set them on fire. Hell, get in a car and run them over.

As far as the plan to not attract any via gunshot, they just called down the Million Walker March on themselves. So much for that plan.

But hey, IJATVS, so if the plot calls for them to be stupid, then stupid it is.

A moat is not going to really help much because the walkers are brain dead and won't stop at a moat, they'll simply let themselves fall into the moat and after a while there will be enough walkers in it that other walkers will be able to cross the moat by walking over all of the the walkers filling the moat. The other problem with a moat is digging with all of those walkers wandering around outside of the prison, it's going to take a long time using only picks & shovels and construction vehicles like a back hoe would only attract more walkers. I really think the smart thing for them to do is not simply prop up their fence but to construct walls ala Woodbury, something that no amount of walkers piled up against it is going to knock over.

 

[Scareb]

I still like my idea, no new construction of walls is required, simply reinforcing the area between the fences.

 

[MFP 2020]

A moat is not going to really help much because the walkers are brain dead and won't stop at a moat, they'll simply let themselves fall into the moat and after a while there will be enough walkers in it that other walkers will be able to cross the moat by walking over all of the the walkers filling the moat.

You know what kind of moat would really help? A moat of FIRE!

 

[Riceball]

You know what kind of moat would really help? A moat of FIRE!

That wouldn't too bad of an idea if you wanted a trench/moat for defense, just line it with plenty of tinder so that a source of ignition applied to it would set it on fire fairly quickly, it would also work as a deterrent against human attackers as well. You just have to make sure that you don't use anything man-made like gas or oil since that's readily replaceable and of more use to fuel their cars.

 

[Shendorion]

How do you propose they get all that rotting meat to burn? They haven't discussed it at great length yet, but all the gas in the world is all the gas in the world. They seem to be ranging out for supplies fairly regularly, but the more gas they use on things that aren't supply runs, the faster they increase the minimum amount of fuel they need to find to justify the run itself. They're pushing on the other end of that equation as well, as they gradually increase the distance they have to drive to scavenge new territory.

Maybe if they start growing enough food to keep everyone fed and distill moonshine on the side they can use that to burn corpses, but at this point it might be a bad idea to try and burn walkers using anything that'll run their vehicles.

 

[MFP 2020]

I was kidding, but I agree with you. Still, unless they gather it all up and stabilize it, all that gas will turn to varnish in short order.

And there I go again, being logical about it.

 

[blakeh1]

The other problem with a moat is digging with all of those walkers wandering around outside of the prison, it's going to take a long time using only picks & shovels and construction vehicles like a back hoe would only attract more walkers. I really think the smart thing for them to do is not simply prop up their fence but to construct walls ala Woodbury, something that no amount of walkers piled up against it is going to knock over.

I thought the same thing. The risk and time needed to build the moat combined with the actual physical labor required to dig it all while outside exposed to walker herds is just not worth the risk

That mythbusters zombie special showed if you reinforce things enough, it can hold back quite a lot of pressure, so reinforcing the fence makes the most sense

 

[Riceball]

I thought the same thing. The risk and time needed to build the moat combined with the actual physical labor required to dig it all while outside exposed to walker herds is just not worth the risk

That mythbusters zombie special showed if you reinforce things enough, it can hold back quite a lot of pressure, so reinforcing the fence makes the most sense

But I don't think that simply propping poles up against the frame of the fence would be enough, as shown in the last episode. I'd, personally, feel much better with a solid wall or if the fence were reinforce with more than just a few wooden braces here and there.

 

[Monkey67]

I would use the dead zombie bodies as a wall brace / new wall. Put those bastards to good use. Kinda like the wall of dead bodies in 300

 

[Lord Boron]

I don't think a decomposing, disease ridden wall would be that effective.

 

[Sir Angus]

all the gas in the world is all the gas in the world

Yes and no ... They've been scavenging gas from abandoned cars and filling stations. For their limited use, there should be a ready supply given there's not much competition for the resource.

But the real SHTF fuel is biodiesel, diesel engines will run on just about any fuel source. It's a relatively simple process to make biodiesel, and unless you live in the Great White North, ay! you won't have to worry about it gelling up.

Maybe if they start growing enough food to keep everyone fed and distill moonshine on the side

Always a good plan for so many reasons. Fuel, antiseptic, sterilizer, anesthetic, orgy ... Whatever. There's tons of good uses for pure grain alcohol. :cheers

But I don't think that simply propping poles up against the frame of the fence would be enough, as shown in the last episode. I'd, personally, feel much better with a solid wall or if the fence were reinforce with more than just a few wooden braces here and there.

The way the fence failed was unrealistic. A chain-link or "cyclone" fence is more likely to be pushed over. You can drive a car into this type of fencing and it won't fail in the way they showed.

However, if you tied the two outer fences together with lengths of heavy gauge wire then filled the void with a mix of rock and earth you'd have a very stable and strong wall. They could even walk along the parapet tower to tower. Yes, it would be a lot of work. If they started shortly after Woodbury when they had maximum people and acquired a backhoe-loader.

As far as that mega-horde we saw previously, one of those 2.5ton army trucks Woodbury had could push through with little issue, but then TWD isn't sponsored by the US Army which is why they keep driving Hyundais, Kias, and other small cars.

 

[Scareb]

Like I said, just get some wood sheets, maybe 4 feet high and line the inside of the fences with them and pack the middle with dirt. Zombies won't be able to collapse the fence and they'll be high enough that they can kill multiple zombies from above instead of just the ones closest to the fence. It's also safe because it doesn't require them to go outside to build it other than to get the necessary supplies.

 

[Riceball]

Like I said, just get some wood sheets, maybe 4 feet high and line the inside of the fences with them and pack the middle with dirt. Zombies won't be able to collapse the fence and they'll be high enough that they can kill multiple zombies from above instead of just the ones closest to the fence. It's also safe because it doesn't require them to go outside to build it other than to get the necessary supplies.

It also has the added benefit of offering cover and concealment against armed human intruders ala the Governor.

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As far as that mega-horde we saw previously, one of those 2.5ton army trucks Woodbury had could push through with little issue, but then TWD isn't sponsored by the US Army which is why they keep driving Hyundais, Kias, and other small cars.

I'm rather surprised that they haven't tried to get their hands on work/construction &/or military vehicles since the most are diesel powered making them easy to keep fueled as well as having the added benefit that a lot of them are pretty big and heavy so they can't get rolled over or stopped by a horde of walkers.