I agree. Gaffer tape around the bottom makes it appear the bottom “cap” is missing. But that’s my opinion
Also the kobold clip has to attach to something!
The LV ( Luke and Vader ) Shared Stunt Lightsaber
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Also the kobold clip has to attach to something!
Another thing to look at (it's a long list) the Graflex slots of the lower were altered, at least
I've seen Poikilotherm make a flanged spacer inside. I also can't quite tell if that lower dark area is one or two gaps. Theoretically the bottom half goes all the way up to the middle of the mystery box.
I've seen Poikilotherm make a flanged spacer inside. I also can't quite tell if that lower dark area is one or two gaps. Theoretically the bottom half goes all the way up to the middle of the mystery box.
On one of the other lists of unknowns…
I have drilled my V3 clamp to match what I see on the prop. (Check out that amazing PoopaPapaPalps cast) now, if this is from the same saber…
That would mean only one half of the graflex was fastened to the clamp. For whatever reason. If it was on the graflex upside down just like the V3, the fasteners would be on the bottom, fixed to the lower half with grips. I don’t really think this is the case, I’ll pull some public photos for evidence.
If the clamp was on right-way-up then the fasteners would be holding to the upper half. I think this is more likely. First, here is my V3
I have drilled my V3 clamp to match what I see on the prop. (Check out that amazing PoopaPapaPalps cast) now, if this is from the same saber…
That would mean only one half of the graflex was fastened to the clamp. For whatever reason. If it was on the graflex upside down just like the V3, the fasteners would be on the bottom, fixed to the lower half with grips. I don’t really think this is the case, I’ll pull some public photos for evidence.
If the clamp was on right-way-up then the fasteners would be holding to the upper half. I think this is more likely. First, here is my V3
Here are some V3 shots for context
I know we already have that questionable Christie's Auction saber, which was metal and painted silver, which I imagine is why we've been using rivets on the clamp. I'm inclined to agree
However in the small amount of shots we have, I never see large headed rivets like that. You'd think they'd show up. Here are some regular rez versions of these shots I had stored away from other RPF threads
Man, if we ever get ahold of a good version of this photo...
Anyways, in this shot you can barely see a fastener on the top side of the clamp, not the bottom.
Lets discuss, prove me wrong, offer other ideas, etc. I can't see how they'd be black bolts, and they look smaller than the V3 holes, so did they rivet these with 3mm rivets and drill out the heads?
I know we already have that questionable Christie's Auction saber, which was metal and painted silver, which I imagine is why we've been using rivets on the clamp. I'm inclined to agree
However in the small amount of shots we have, I never see large headed rivets like that. You'd think they'd show up. Here are some regular rez versions of these shots I had stored away from other RPF threads
Man, if we ever get ahold of a good version of this photo...
Anyways, in this shot you can barely see a fastener on the top side of the clamp, not the bottom.
Lets discuss, prove me wrong, offer other ideas, etc. I can't see how they'd be black bolts, and they look smaller than the V3 holes, so did they rivet these with 3mm rivets and drill out the heads?
If the clamp came from one of these cobbled stunts, logically, that stunt sabre doesn't exist anymore and had its parts parted out for other things. I don't know if that particular stunt hilt may have ever been used for anything heavy, seeing it's implied to be a graflex upper connected to some other lower. I'm thinking it may have been the case that the hilt in question was something like the ESB exploding hand prop for when Vader lops off Luke's hand.
I can't imagine a prop held together by the clamp would be very useful for duelling unless the entire thing was bolted solid to something running throughout.
I can't imagine a prop held together by the clamp would be very useful for duelling unless the entire thing was bolted solid to something running throughout.
I’m trying to think if there is a surviving Graflex stunt with its Graflex clamp removed…
I brought this up years ago here that I believe this is where the V3 clamp came from but it was immediately shot down. The holes don't line up with what I had in mind.
With the progression through out the film, we see them adding more and more bolts.
Then by the end of its life (in filming) they wrapped the thing in some time of chrome tape hiding these bolts
Zero proof, but they could have always added more bolts in the clamp to stiffen the core
We know Anderson ended up having heavy influence in the construction of some of these. I wonder if that’s why more and more bolts were being added?
Anderson complaining about too much flex in the handle?
Then by the end of its life (in filming) they wrapped the thing in some time of chrome tape hiding these bolts
Zero proof, but they could have always added more bolts in the clamp to stiffen the core
We know Anderson ended up having heavy influence in the construction of some of these. I wonder if that’s why more and more bolts were being added?
Anderson complaining about too much flex in the handle?
I'm so sorry you were shot down, I think you are absolutely right. The bottom.... I don't believe the fasteners in the grips were exactly the same as the belt hanger, for what it's worth.
Honestly I'm starting to think they added an aluminum tube reaching from the upper core to the bottom, or something like that. If they were pop rivets.. then they need empty space to go into.
That's not there in the DV6 today tho... that bothers me lol
Okay folks, someone asked me in some messages about this, so i went and looked at photos in this thread and a handful of other public shots and doodled this. Given permanent features on the clamp like the graflex slot, screws that would leave a hole, and how the clamp lever can be removed and re-oriented, I tried to track the clamp orientation via my current theory with some of the evidence.
And then what I think we can safely extrapolate.
And then what I think we can safely extrapolate.
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If the clamp fasteners are rivets, as I don’t see the harsh countersink needed for an M4 or M5 bolt (slightly smaller than the M6) then it seems it’s not exactly the same as the ones seen on the belts and the lightsaber Kobold clip. I think these came from the costume dept specifically. The saber body.. might have been a different kind with a smaller head or something.
I grabbed a bunch of vintage rivets from my favorite thrift store near me and did a pop-test. If anyone sees anything, post it up! I’ve got those dark smudges and some shadows to look at size wise
I grabbed a bunch of vintage rivets from my favorite thrift store near me and did a pop-test. If anyone sees anything, post it up! I’ve got those dark smudges and some shadows to look at size wise
Okay, with what we DO have to work with, you really can't judge small details with this low resolution. When it comes to general light and dark patterns, there really does appear to be something on the clamp, in the same places you'd see the V3 clamp holes
Which would mean the clamp is still affixed to the upper on Dagobah. The bottom appears to have been removed, sanded and re-gripped for this belt hanging shot. It looks to me like the grips you see on the DV6 honestly.
When it comes to the fasteners, I took iphoto and "marked up" the dark areas I'm seeing. There are some other circles that are too fine to expect them to be real details and not artifacts.
note the flipped lever on Dagobah, I wonder if they tried to tighten the lower half since it wasn't secured anymore, however it was done for dueling.
Which would mean the clamp is still affixed to the upper on Dagobah. The bottom appears to have been removed, sanded and re-gripped for this belt hanging shot. It looks to me like the grips you see on the DV6 honestly.
When it comes to the fasteners, I took iphoto and "marked up" the dark areas I'm seeing. There are some other circles that are too fine to expect them to be real details and not artifacts.
note the flipped lever on Dagobah, I wonder if they tried to tighten the lower half since it wasn't secured anymore, however it was done for dueling.
Photos are much too low quality for me to really make anything out, sorry.
Completely agree, I love Tom’s dedication. But to me; we can’t lock in any confirmation with these photos
But what this does tell me… is there must be these photos out there in higher rez… WHICH could be the key..
Of course, thank you! For me, it seems to lock in general conclusions. There aren't any fasteners on the bottom of the clamp like the Christie's Auction saber. And that something is there, whatever the hell it is haha That's it though
Like anything in this hobby, research and theories will continue
Like anything in this hobby, research and theories will continue
okay folks, I found this sepia picture on FACEBOOK of all places, it's out there so I want to throw all these shots on the whiteboard to trigger our brains. EDIT: Added a publicity photo from facebook.
These shots are from over the whole life of the saber.
These shots are from over the whole life of the saber.
