The Iron Patriot Costume - build progress

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@ Mez7:

- Lets see...

Power Plant - Standard Batteries, since I dont have a Nuclear Arc Reactor Device...

With current battery technology, you will not get enough electrical power to run an actual powered-armor suit for any appreciable time - consider that a 2-pound laptop battery contains enough electrical power to run a couple of 100W light bulbs for a few hours. This is nowhere NEAR the level of electrical power you'll need to power an honest-to-God powered-armor suit.

Yeah, you could carry a few hundred pounds of batteries - but then you have to MOVE them, as well as the rest of the suit. The energy density just isn't there yet. That's one of the stumbling blocks keeping true electric cars off the road so far. We'll lick it eventually - but it'll probably be a while.

Fuel - Standard Unleaded Gasoline, Mabey some alcohol if I can ferment it without getting arrested.

No. PLEASE no. DEAR GOD please no. Do *NOT* set yourself on fire!!!

And that *IS* what you're proposing here. You're not going to use gasoline to propel an Iron Man-style suit in controlled flight. Note that the jet packs currently available for a couple hundred thousand dollars a pop use extremely-high-pressure gas or high-purity hydrogen peroxide (rather than flaming fuel) for a whopping 30 seconds' flight time - you put ignited gasoline anywhere NEAR your body and you're going to KILL yourself.

You're talking about building a FLAMETHROWER, not a jet-pack.

And you'll burn down your launch site, too.

Weight of suit + Me - 250lbs (guess)

How much does one of your foot-cages weigh? That's a small PART of your substructure - multiply that times, oh, twenty or more for just the frame, then there's layered steel plate (how thick were you thinking?), actuators and connectors, power line, heavy batteries, liquid fuel (gasoline is on the order of 6 pounds per gallon - and one gallon will roll the average car 20-30 miles, on the ground where it doesn't have to fight gravity. How many gallons will you need to keep your suit in the air?), computing equipment (and we won't even get into where THAT's going to go or where you're going to get it)...

Your suit alone will exceed 250 pounds. By quite a bit. And it won't do what you want. Sorry.

Propulsion - Modified Custom turbine encased inside the backpack, combustion chambers in the boots.

You intend to route flaming gasoline down the entire length of your body? Either the combustion takes place in the turbine, in which case you'd do better to channel the exhaust out from the backpack rather than trying to run it down your body, or the propulsion units need to be in your boots, in which case you need still more technology which does not exist yet (supersmall jets capable of lifting hundreds of pounds of mass into the air without generating enough heat to cook your feet and calves like turkey drumsticks).

I reiterate - PLEASE do not set yourself on fire by trying this!

Flight Time - Hopefully 1/2 hour or more at idle speed.

How much fuel were you planning on carrying, at 6 pounds per gallon? Where is that going to be located? Remember, your jets need to be able to lift all the fuel, too.

Flight Stabilizers - Mabey some control surfaces just like Tony's suit, mabey nothing.

Without them, assuming you build thrusters rather than flamethrowers, you will be basically uncontrolled, assuming you get into the air. With them, you need to control and operate them - which will be, I suspect, orders of magnitude harder than you seem to think will be the case.

( I'll cross these bridges when I get to them, that's why I havent answered these questions yet )

Look, I admire your enthusiasm, and your metalworking skill seems to be up to the task of building the metal shell, a steel Iron Man COSTUME - which is a HELL of an accomplishment, should you carry through and do it. I'd LOVE to see it. What you're posting here, however, leads me to believe that you have extraordinarily-unrealistic ideas about what you're going to be able to do, and how you're going to be able to do it, and that you intend to try and do things that multi-million-dollar R&D projects can't do in your garage, in a manner that's going to severely injure or kill you. I personally don't want to hear about that happening. Call me a naysayer all you like, but there's a reason nothing even CLOSE to what you're describing exists in the real world yet. The technology isn't THERE yet, not even for major corporations and governments. You're not going to build a real Iron Man suit in your garage when they can't build them in multi-million-dollar workshop/labs yet.

ETA: This is what's going through my head - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/beds/bucks/herts/4575291.stm
 
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Don't discourage the dude, but definitely don't encourage him. An Iron man suit is impossible. The technology doesn't exist. Maybe one day, but not in our life time. And especially from this kid who has no clue about anything. He is just trying to get attention.. it is quite obvious. And we are all falling for his game.
 
which is why we should all stop posting in here until he posts something

i don't support what he's doing but i've accepted that he's going to try...

he will found out very quickly that none of what he plans to do (aside from the suit itself) will be able to be done....whether that involves the emergency room or not is yet to be seen....

so just let him post stuff when he does, caution him if need be....but if you find you are repeating yourself just don't bother posting, he's obviously not going to listen to you

EDIT: that was the generic 'you' as well...not targetting anyone in particular
 
Seeing all the effort you are putting into this really makes me feel bad for saying making a custom scream robe would be too hard :\
 
...2 pics? C'mon guys. Help me out here....


(And ROBO's right, I'm not listening to some of what you guys are saying, but only when it's OFF-TOPIC. Right now, the topic is the Under-Structure
of the Ironman suit. The Inner-Workings. The topics IS NOT blowing my self up using gasoline and involving the paramedics)
 
...2 pics? C'mon guys. Help me out here....


(And ROBO's right, I'm not listening to some of what you guys are saying, but only when it's OFF-TOPIC. Right now, the topic is the Under-Structure
of the Ironman suit. The Inner-Workings. The topics IS NOT blowing my self up using gasoline and involving the paramedics)

Well now I have no need to watch this thread lol

Go big or go home!!! lol
 
Hell, your goal is to be groundbreaking. So, with that said, keep winging it. You have a basic idea what is going on with some of these pics and you have been winging it thus far. Keep at it.
 
Hell, your goal is to be groundbreaking. So, with that said, keep winging it.

Craters are groundbreaking, too.

IronPatriot - have you picked up the Iron Man 1 & 2 DVD's? If I were to guess, there should be a good amount of behind-the-scenes information there, especially on the 2-disc versions.
 
Iron Patriot: everything aside, if you can build an Iron Man armor with underlying structure (not if, but when), you are going to have something amazing. Don't worry about flight until you do a suit of armor; Tony Stark had to refine his armor to get it to perform like he wanted.

The suggestion to pick up copies of the DVDs (with extra materials) is good. There's plenty of good reference material, and you'll also have two great movies to watch.

You might also want to pick up a copy of the book "The Art of Iron Man". I found a used copy on Amazon for about $10.

Last - if your budget runs over $100 by a bit, no biggie. Prices on raw materials change every day, or you find a better (but more expensive way) to do something. If you can keep over-runs under 50%, you're doing better than most major corporations!

Have at it, sir!
 
regardless of the other posts some i agree with , some i dont . good luck on the costume. i do believe that trying to make it a flying suit is probably not possible but for the making of a metal suit its a real challenge . hope you pull it off but please dont put yourself at risk . a cool suit isnt worth life and limb. good look with the suit build though. it will be a great piece of costume / suitage if you manage it.
 
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PEPAKURA:

Man, these boots are a pain. I'm about to stop working on them and come back to them later. But before I do, does anyone by chance have a .PDO that looks like the pics below?

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I havent found any out there that have the same toe section, nor the tread on the underside, so I assume no one has it.

Anyway, I went to Walmart and bought this toy for $20 to use as some references for the Armor Plating. (it's low-quality, not very flexible or anything)

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But it's still good to have for a project like this. (since I dont have JARVIS to give me a full-3D hologram model or anything...)
 
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PEPAKURA:

Man, these boots are a pain. I'm about to stop working on the and come back to them later. But before I do, does anyone by chance have a .PDO that looks like the pics below?

img1138u.jpg


img11390.jpg


I havent found any out there that have the same toe section, nor the tread on the underside, so I assume no one has it.

Anyway, I went to Walmart and bought this toy for $20 to use as some references for the Armor Plating. (it's low-quality, not very flexible or anything)

img1136ou.jpg


But it's still good to have for a project like this. (since I dont have JARVIS to give me a full-3D hologram model or anything...)

try this IM_robo3687_foot_unfolded_by_robo3687.pdo - 4shared.com - online file sharing and storage - download
 
... No, that's not like the boot in the pic. I'm trying to get as close as I can to Ironman's boot. I;ve tried robos, but that didnt pan out too well...
 
* UPDATE *

since i cant weld right now, i've been using scraps of cardstock from old failed PEP Projects, trying to fix the boot problem.
After making it from paper, i made a quick model using RHINO, to demonstrate how it'll work when made of steel.

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In this pic, I show you how the foot will be tightly-secured in the boot, without laces:

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In the heel, you can see that I have about 2" vertical, 4" horizontal, of space. Plenty of room for a combustion chamber (when I get around to that part, of course...)
 
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There is no way you can fit what you need to into that make it a complete combustion chamber. Focus on the armor not the accessories
 
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