The Amazing Spiderman Zentai build

[spidey20]

Spidey20

 

[ZachariahD]

Several reasons, one of the more pressing being that pattern designers don't have very much of the law supporting them and their work, since even though their art and their work is their own, they are doing their art using copyrighted characters. Technically, Sony could shut down anyone making Spidey suits, artisans here included. So while it is true that Zentai can't legally steal and sell the work of these artists without their permission, the legal channels that would respond to that issue would also draw attention to the (somewhat silly but totally enforceable) copyright violation of the artists themselves, who don't have permission to profit from the character either. Generally, the studios and the members here both understand the grey area when hardworking people show their love for a property by building the kind of accurate products and costumes that the studios or rights holders aren't selling to people, and take it as acceptable in that it fosters good will and word of mouth advertising for the brand among the fans, while condemning the practice and attitudes of re-casters and those who steal the work of other members and pass it off as their own. But that good will and understanding does not count for much if these situations are brought to the attention of law enforcement.

That's a shame but I can see the view of the law there. Although tbh you guys are lucky you get to charge for this at all! I work with 3D models and extract them from video games like TASM, and make them poseable for a program called XPS (look it up on DeviantArt!!), and none of us charges a penny for our stuff.
Of course that doesn't excuse stealing. We're all really hard on anyone who takes other people's work. Obvs it's the work of the game creators who made the 3D models in the first place, but we all spend a great deal of time and effort extracting the models and making them compatible with XPS, only for someone else to repost them and claim they did it, it's unacceptable. But I'm afraid that doesn't stop someone from downloading the copied work, just as I have bought a Zentai suit. It's a shame that this is allowed to go on and there's nothing we can do about it.

The shell makes your face shaped properly for the mask to lie smoothly--without one it will usually cling to your lips and droop under the nose. It also keeps the fabric away from your mouth so it collects less moisture, removes pressure off of your nose from the tension of the fabric, and allows a platform on which to attach magnetic lenses, which puts the fabric under less stress at the join and allows for swapping out of lenses or replacing/repairing them. Basically, all five movies have used faceshells because they are a multi-use platform that makes it easier to film the suits--They have consistent profiles for everyone, the performers can wear the masks for longer without nose mishaps, fogging on lenses can be easily attended to, and different lenses can be popped in and out for stunts or close-ups to allow more safety for the performers and better appearances for the camera.
Most hobbiests don't have those particular demands, but the number one reason to use one is that (unless you have really angular and prominent bone structure) your face will look pretty mushy when it's squeezed into a spandex mask. A shell makes it look like the classic comic book shape.

Ah ok. Does it get hot inside? I was intending to make one out of the gumy tape I talked about above, that is like sellotape that is sticky when wet and then solidifies and can be sanded into shape but I don't know if that will look good. It'll be a very comfy fit as it is personalised to me, but the fact that it will be so form fitting will probably lead to a lot of sweating, and I don't want that. Any advice on what sort of head shell to use, or how they ventilate?
Thank you

 

[jrenemtz321]

So I ordered same suit that you dod.
The site moght have stolen it but you were not aware it was stolen. But in the end even if you know who cares. We are all spidrrman fans and all trying to do a suit the best we can

Spidey20

That's really not cool. "even if you know who cares." The people who worked countless hours on that pattern care, and if Spidey were real, i doubt he'd wear anything stolen

 

[ZachariahD]

That's really not cool. "even if you know who cares." The people who worked countless hours on that pattern care, and if Spidey were real, i doubt he'd wear anything stolen

Spidey isn't real. But in the film and comics he stole the countless webbing canisters from Oscorp. After he broke in and tampered with scientific equipment. After he impersonated an employee to gain access to the premises.

Spidey20 is basically saying, like I said, don't shoot the messenger. It's not our faults that we bought a stolen design for suit. But we paid for it legitimately. I won't be sending my suit back on principal. It's silly to expect that. It's going to take 27-30 days to arrive; I'm not just going to turn it round and pay like £30 for postage back to the US, just because someone stole a pattern somewhere down the line. It's sad but it happens and it's not my fault or my problem.

 

[spidey20]

hank you someone agrees!!! Im not on this planet to listen to other people complain about thw stolen suit patterns. Its not my fault that I went with the cheaper way then sewing mtself and stuff. Im new to spidey cosplay and homestly whays been done cant be undone.
So im just gonna keep workimg on my zenti suits to make them better and someday ill buy a print. But for right now. Im gonna use these to make my mary jane happy.
Makes no diffrence

Spidey20

 

[VilleLeskinen]

Just a reminder that RPF has VERY low tolerance for people who support known recasters. So I suggest if anyone is still thinking of buying a stolen pattern after reading any of these threads, just don't!

 

[ZachariahD]

Just a reminder that RPF has VERY low tolerance for people who support known recasters. So I suggest that if you're still thinking of buying a stolen pattern after reading any of these threads, just don't!

Yeah I've noticed a LOT of people have been banned already, I see about 20% of people have Banned written under their names.
I'm CLEARLY NOT supporting them. I'm just saying, it's not MY fault. People seem to be blaming me for buying one. How am I supposed to know it's stolen, it's not like the manufacturers are going to say "Brand New Spider-man Zentai suit - STOLEN FROM RPF!!!" on their website are they. I had already bought it when I signed up to this website, so I had no idea it was a stolen version until someone told me.

I'm sorry to be sarcastic. I'm just making a point. Don't shoot the messenger. I bought a suit. I paid for it. If you want me to return it out of honour, I won't. It's cost me a lot and it's going to cost even more to send it back. So no, I won't be doing that. Sorry if that results in a ban but if that's what you people want me to do then I would rather be banned from a free forum than have to pay a lot of money (WASTE a lot of money) sending it back to USA when I live in England. I am truly sorry that this bloke had his pattern stolen from him. Believe me, I know what it's like. As I said before, I'm part of a similar online community which work with 3D models extracted from video games. We all put a lot of work into what we do and when someone else reposts it as their own, we all go crazy. It's not right. But I certainly wouldn't criticise people who accidentally downloaded the fraudulent version, without knowing first.

It's not my fault. Now can we move on from the whole "Zentai Zentai must die and so must you" attitude cos I'm getting sick of it.

 

[The New Blood]

View attachment 318005View attachment 318006 hank you someone agrees!!! Im not on this planet to listen to other people complain about thw stolen suit patterns. Its not my fault that I went with the cheaper way then sewing mtself and stuff. Im new to spidey cosplay and homestly whays been done cant be undone.
So im just gonna keep workimg on my zenti suits to make them better and someday ill buy a print. But for right now. Im gonna use these to make my mary jane happy.
Makes no diffrence

Spidey20

So if you ever make a pattern I can take it, make suits from it and sell it without permission? Sometimes you can't respect other peoples work until people rips of yours.Frankly what you said does not represent the character we try to portray as in any way.

 

[ZachariahD]

So if you ever make a pattern I can take it, make suits from it and sell it without permission? Sometimes you can't respect other peoples work until people rips of yours.Frankly what you said does not represent the character we try to portray as in any way.

Oh my god why is everyone criticising me and Spidey20 because we accidentally bought a suit that someone else designed? Why can't you just leave it alone now, and move on from this childish "HE STOLE MY TOY" nonsense?

 

[The New Blood]

Oh my god why is everyone criticising me and Spidey20 because we accidentally bought a suit that someone else designed? Why can't you just leave it alone now, and move on from this childish "HE STOLE MY TOY" nonsense?

It's not that, its the fact that people like spidey20 say it's not big deal until the same stuff happens to you, would you want people to profit from your work without permission? I don't think so.

 

[ZachariahD]

It's not that, its the fact that people like spidey20 say it's not big deal until the same stuff happens to you, would you want people to profit from your work without permission? I don't think so.

He's saying it makes no difference to him, which it doesn't. He's not saying it's fine. NO-ONE is saying it's fne. We're just saying, yeah it happens. So we bought the wrong suit. That's the end there. We bought the wrong suit, and nothing. There's no problem with buying the wrong suit. The only problem is that someone stole that suit in the first place. Which makes no difference to me or spidey20 as a customer, except we will be thinking twice about buying from Zentai Zentai in the future. It doesn't affect what we do with our current purchase. I'm keeping it. If that means I get banned from this forum because I'm not prepared to fork out a small fortune to return a suit for someone that I don't know and haven't met, then so be it.

 

[VilleLeskinen]

My comment wasn't really directed toward you ZachariahD. It was more of a statement. Could you edit the information in the first page though to include that the pattern was stolen from an RPF member? That way it wouldn't read as an advertisement for Zentai Zentai.


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[ZachariahD]

My comment wasn't really directed toward you ZachariahD. It was more of a statement. Could you edit the information in the first page though to include that the pattern was stolen from an RPF member? That way it wouldn't read as an advertisement for Zentai Zentai.

Fair enough, done.

I don't want people to think I support it. I really don't, I think it's awful and I know from first-hand experience that it is awful. But I've bought the suit. Returning it isn't going to make any difference, and also it's going to cost a LOT of money to return it. I'll be mindful of Zentai Zentai in future but in the meantime, I think it's best to just drop the dodgy origins of my suit and move on to talking about how to decorate

With that in mind, can anyone help me with ideas on how to puff paint the really difficult places like arms and fingers? Any tips on how to lay out the suit or anything? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!

 

[Jeck13500]

Spidey isn't real. But in the film and comics he stole the countless webbing canisters from Oscorp. After he broke in and tampered with scientific equipment. After he impersonated an employee to gain access to the premises.

Spidey20 is basically saying, like I said, don't shoot the messenger. It's not our faults that we bought a stolen design for suit. But we paid for it legitimately. I won't be sending my suit back on principal. It's silly to expect that. It's going to take 27-30 days to arrive; I'm not just going to turn it round and pay like £30 for postage back to the US, just because someone stole a pattern somewhere down the line. It's sad but it happens and it's not my fault or my problem.

I have purchase this suit too, and I didn't know about the stolen pattern, I have finished my first suit, now, I will purchase orhadar pattern, and pay him for his work, because The forum don't support you if you take stolen pattern, and I don't want these, so I will start my newest suit.

do the same thing, because you don't know when you have purchase the suit, and now, you know that the pattern was stolen, finish you suit and start a new with pattern and print, and all of member support and advice you, believe me

 

[jrenemtz321]

This is the kind of attitude that allows companies like Zenti-Zenti to do what they do. Every time you pose for a photo, know that you're hurting a member on here. Anyway, your ethics are your own. Have fun being a "superhero."

 

[ZachariahD]

This is the kind of attitude that allows companies like Zenti-Zenti to do what they do. Every time you pose for a photo, know that you're hurting a member on here. Anyway, your ethics are your own. Have fun being a "superhero."

Zentai Zentai*

secondly, if you want, I am more than happy for you to pay to return it. After all I am just as guilty for this as you are, ie not at all. You are very self righteous to tell me to return this suit without worrying about the implications. If you want I can tell everyone that it was a dye sub print by whoever the original creator was, and not tell people it was from zentai zentai. It doesn't bother me I just want people to LEAVE ME ALONE and stop harassing me because if you had to pay £40 each way for postage you probably wouldn't.

Thanks I will have fun

 

[jrenemtz321]

I would gladly return a suit I knew was stolen, but my intention is not to harrass you, and I won't comment again. I just think it's really strange to purchase a suit, find out it's stolen, and start a thread here to show it off. That's kind of like buying a car, figuring out it's stolen, then driving around a police station and asking the cops if they like it.

Best of luck. You're a real "hero."

 

[ZachariahD]

I would gladly return a suit I knew was stolen, but my intention is not to harrass you, and I won't comment again. I just think it's really strange to purchase a suit, find out it's stolen, and start a thread here to show it off. That's kind of like buying a car, figuring out it's stolen, then driving around a police station and asking the cops if they like it.

Best of luck. You're a real "hero."

You know I'm not actually a super hero right? You keep saying "Good luck being a 'super hero' " but you should know that super heroes don't actually exist... You said before "if spider-man was real..." well he isn't, all super heroes aren't. You seem to have this little idea that super heroes can really exist. I think it's very sweet, but also naive of you. I'm not trying to be a super hero. I don't hold the same ideals or morals that a super hero does. I'm not representing spider-man when I put on the costume. I don't have to behave like a super hero. I think you should realise that. By wearing a spider-man suit, it doesn't make me spider-man, it just means that I am an ordinary bloke wearing a costume out of a comic and a movie and nothing more. Ok?

Secondly I didn't know the pattern was stolen until after I had bought it, and created an account, and started a thread about it, and people had posted. I had no idea until then.

Thirdly, "I would gladly return a suit I knew was stolen" well mine is apparently stolen so will you return it for me? I can PM you my PayPal details if you want to transfer £40 for postage back to USA, plus the original £40 that I spent on postage to me in the first place. Your idea of always being noble and well behaved is a frankly ridiculous one. I bought a suit. I paid good money for it. The postage here and back to US is the current equivalent of $135 USD. Are you sure you still want to pay it? Would you pay over $100 to return your suit if you found out it was stolen? One person has already been burnt through this, because his suit pattern was stolen. There's no reason TWO people should suffer, by me practically setting fire to £80 ($135). It's a total waste of money, through and through. It is totally nonsensical and I won't do it. If people cannot move past the fact that I am working to a budget and so cannot afford to spend much more than I have already spent then they can shove off because it's tedious listening to people whine about something that isn't their business. If the creator has THAT MUCH of a problem with me making an honest mistake and accidentally buying a suit that had the original pattern stolen, then he's more than welcome to message me him/herself. But I don't see that happening, do you? Even if they did message me, my answer would still be the same. Provide me with the funds to return it (plus also, it would be nice if someone also provided the considerable amount of extra funds required to sub dye this and then send to a seamstress), and I will gladly return it. I don't want this stolen suit. I really don't. But I want to return it even less than I want it. So I'm stuck with it. I'm not happy. But I'm making the best of a bad situation. Now sod off with your frankly weird ideas about superheroes actually being real and about people having to behave like super heroes every time they dress up. NEWSFLASH: There are no rules about dressing as super heroes. You could quite easily partake in armed robbery in a Spidey outfit. Or stab someone on the streets. No-one is enforcing the stupid rules you live by.

 

[spideynewb]

I'm pretty new here but I'd like to pt my 2 cents in. I think there are two types of people wanting convincing suits on RPF. Die hard Spiderman cosplayers and those looking for a cool Halloween costume. The die hard guys will do it all themselves, not cut corners, take the time, pay the price and have a mutual respect for the other die hard guys. The Halloween costume guys are looking for the most bang for the buck in the least amount of time.

Personally I'm a Halloween costume guy but I'm gonna take a crack at building a replica suit out of general interest. I think it can still be done on a budget.

Also, us Halloween costume guys have to remember this is The Replica Forum... not the Halloween costume forum. It's a hobby that people do take seriously. And putting on a suit that you put your hard work into gives a sense of pride.

 

[ZachariahD]

I'm pretty new here but I'd like to pt my 2 cents in. I think there are two types of people wanting convincing suits on RPF. Die hard Spiderman cosplayers and those looking for a cool Halloween costume. The die hard guys will do it all themselves, not cut corners, take the time, pay the price and have a mutual respect for the other die hard guys. The Halloween costume guys are looking for the most bang for the buck in the least amount of time.

Personally I'm a Halloween costume guy but I'm gonna take a crack at building a replica suit out of general interest. I think it can still be done on a budget.

Also, us Halloween costume guys have to remember this is The Replica Forum... not the Halloween costume forum. It's a hobby that people do take seriously. And putting on a suit that you put your hard work into gives a sense of pride.

I agree with you, I'm sort of in the middle. I want to put a lot of work into my suit and I am going to take pride in how it's done and what it looks like, but for example there's no point paying £90, about $150, for a pair of shoes to go on the suit when you can pay £5, $8 for some pool shoes which I did. I think as well as the 2 types of people you listed, there's also a third - people that want to spend a lot of time and effort on their suits but not a lot of money. Prepared to put days and weeks of work in to make their suit look great, but also do it without spending too much money. I know now that this print was stolen, but if I didn't know, why would I buy a pattern on here for a LOT more money and pay to have it printed and then pay to have it stitched when I can achieve the same end result by buying one much cheaper off of a Zentai website? I'm not going for 100% accuracy but I want it to look damn good, and I think it will I'd be very interested to see some pics of your suit as you build!!

Today my pool shoes arrived, so I got to work cutting. Here is them before hand:

As shown on the eBay listing where I bought them, and after I separated the sole from the upper, here is how they look now:

Sorry that the picture is upside down haha. All I did was tear the sole off the upper. It was glued down and the shoes are cheap so the glue wasn't particularly strong and the sole wasn't particularly well glued either, so it just tore off with a bit of brute force. Then I used a sharp craft knife to cut out the side arches of the insteps on both soles. Now I have separated them, once the suit arrives I will put the upper into the feet of the suit, and put the sole on the floor, and use some E6000 glue to stick them back together with the Spidey suit in the middle like a Spider-man Sandwich
I know the soles aren't perfect but I looked for a LONG time online and in town for shoes that would look good and I couldn't find ANY that were at all reasonable in price. They were at least £40 ($60) so I just didn't want to spend that much on detail that is so small and insignificant. If it was £40 for the eye lenses or something big that you can see always and is important, then I would spend it. But I just don't see the soles of the suit as important enough to focus on and spend so much money on. The shoes I have are perfect