That's a shame but I can see the view of the law there. Although tbh you guys are lucky you get to charge for this at all!Several reasons, one of the more pressing being that pattern designers don't have very much of the law supporting them and their work, since even though their art and their work is their own, they are doing their art using copyrighted characters. Technically, Sony could shut down anyone making Spidey suits, artisans here included. So while it is true that Zentai can't legally steal and sell the work of these artists without their permission, the legal channels that would respond to that issue would also draw attention to the (somewhat silly but totally enforceable) copyright violation of the artists themselves, who don't have permission to profit from the character either. Generally, the studios and the members here both understand the grey area when hardworking people show their love for a property by building the kind of accurate products and costumes that the studios or rights holders aren't selling to people, and take it as acceptable in that it fosters good will and word of mouth advertising for the brand among the fans, while condemning the practice and attitudes of re-casters and those who steal the work of other members and pass it off as their own. But that good will and understanding does not count for much if these situations are brought to the attention of law enforcement.
Ah ok. Does it get hot inside? I was intending to make one out of the gumy tape I talked about above, that is like sellotape that is sticky when wet and then solidifies and can be sanded into shape but I don't know if that will look good. It'll be a very comfy fit as it is personalised to me, but the fact that it will be so form fitting will probably lead to a lot of sweating, and I don't want that. Any advice on what sort of head shell to use, or how they ventilate?The shell makes your face shaped properly for the mask to lie smoothly--without one it will usually cling to your lips and droop under the nose. It also keeps the fabric away from your mouth so it collects less moisture, removes pressure off of your nose from the tension of the fabric, and allows a platform on which to attach magnetic lenses, which puts the fabric under less stress at the join and allows for swapping out of lenses or replacing/repairing them. Basically, all five movies have used faceshells because they are a multi-use platform that makes it easier to film the suits--They have consistent profiles for everyone, the performers can wear the masks for longer without nose mishaps, fogging on lenses can be easily attended to, and different lenses can be popped in and out for stunts or close-ups to allow more safety for the performers and better appearances for the camera.
Most hobbiests don't have those particular demands, but the number one reason to use one is that (unless you have really angular and prominent bone structure) your face will look pretty mushy when it's squeezed into a spandex mask. A shell makes it look like the classic comic book shape.
So I ordered same suit that you dod.
The site moght have stolen it but you were not aware it was stolen. But in the end even if you know who cares. We are all spidrrman fans and all trying to do a suit the best we can
Spidey20
Spidey isn't real. But in the film and comics he stole the countless webbing canisters from Oscorp. After he broke in and tampered with scientific equipment. After he impersonated an employee to gain access to the premises.That's really not cool. "even if you know who cares." The people who worked countless hours on that pattern care, and if Spidey were real, i doubt he'd wear anything stolen
Yeah I've noticed a LOT of people have been banned already, I see about 20% of people have Banned written under their names.Just a reminder that RPF has VERY low tolerance for people who support known recasters. So I suggest that if you're still thinking of buying a stolen pattern after reading any of these threads, just don't!
View attachment 318005View attachment 318006 hank you someone agrees!!! Im not on this planet to listen to other people complain about thw stolen suit patterns. Its not my fault that I went with the cheaper way then sewing mtself and stuff. Im new to spidey cosplay and homestly whays been done cant be undone.
So im just gonna keep workimg on my zenti suits to make them better and someday ill buy a print. But for right now. Im gonna use these to make my mary jane happy.
Makes no diffrence
Spidey20
Oh my god why is everyone criticising me and Spidey20 because we accidentally bought a suit that someone else designed? Why can't you just leave it alone now, and move on from this childish "HE STOLE MY TOY" nonsense?So if you ever make a pattern I can take it, make suits from it and sell it without permission? Sometimes you can't respect other peoples work until people rips of yours.Frankly what you said does not represent the character we try to portray as in any way.
Oh my god why is everyone criticising me and Spidey20 because we accidentally bought a suit that someone else designed? Why can't you just leave it alone now, and move on from this childish "HE STOLE MY TOY" nonsense?
He's saying it makes no difference to him, which it doesn't. He's not saying it's fine. NO-ONE is saying it's fne. We're just saying, yeah it happens. So we bought the wrong suit. That's the end there. We bought the wrong suit, and nothing. There's no problem with buying the wrong suit. The only problem is that someone stole that suit in the first place. Which makes no difference to me or spidey20 as a customer, except we will be thinking twice about buying from Zentai Zentai in the future. It doesn't affect what we do with our current purchase. I'm keeping it. If that means I get banned from this forum because I'm not prepared to fork out a small fortune to return a suit for someone that I don't know and haven't met, then so be it.It's not that, its the fact that people like spidey20 say it's not big deal until the same stuff happens to you, would you want people to profit from your work without permission? I don't think so.
Fair enough, done.My comment wasn't really directed toward you ZachariahD. It was more of a statement. Could you edit the information in the first page though to include that the pattern was stolen from an RPF member? That way it wouldn't read as an advertisement for Zentai Zentai.
Spidey isn't real. But in the film and comics he stole the countless webbing canisters from Oscorp. After he broke in and tampered with scientific equipment. After he impersonated an employee to gain access to the premises.
Spidey20 is basically saying, like I said, don't shoot the messenger. It's not our faults that we bought a stolen design for suit. But we paid for it legitimately. I won't be sending my suit back on principal. It's silly to expect that. It's going to take 27-30 days to arrive; I'm not just going to turn it round and pay like £30 for postage back to the US, just because someone stole a pattern somewhere down the line. It's sad but it happens and it's not my fault or my problem.
Zentai Zentai*This is the kind of attitude that allows companies like Zenti-Zenti to do what they do. Every time you pose for a photo, know that you're hurting a member on here. Anyway, your ethics are your own. Have fun being a "superhero."
You know I'm not actually a super hero right? You keep saying "Good luck being a 'super hero' " but you should know that super heroes don't actually exist... You said before "if spider-man was real..." well he isn't, all super heroes aren't. You seem to have this little idea that super heroes can really exist. I think it's very sweet, but also naive of you. I'm not trying to be a super hero. I don't hold the same ideals or morals that a super hero does. I'm not representing spider-man when I put on the costume. I don't have to behave like a super hero. I think you should realise that. By wearing a spider-man suit, it doesn't make me spider-man, it just means that I am an ordinary bloke wearing a costume out of a comic and a movie and nothing more. Ok?I would gladly return a suit I knew was stolen, but my intention is not to harrass you, and I won't comment again. I just think it's really strange to purchase a suit, find out it's stolen, and start a thread here to show it off. That's kind of like buying a car, figuring out it's stolen, then driving around a police station and asking the cops if they like it.
Best of luck. You're a real "hero."
I agree with you, I'm sort of in the middle. I want to put a lot of work into my suit and I am going to take pride in how it's done and what it looks like, but for example there's no point paying £90, about $150, for a pair of shoes to go on the suit when you can pay £5, $8 for some pool shoes which I did. I think as well as the 2 types of people you listed, there's also a third - people that want to spend a lot of time and effort on their suits but not a lot of money. Prepared to put days and weeks of work in to make their suit look great, but also do it without spending too much money. I know now that this print was stolen, but if I didn't know, why would I buy a pattern on here for a LOT more money and pay to have it printed and then pay to have it stitched when I can achieve the same end result by buying one much cheaper off of a Zentai website? I'm not going for 100% accuracy but I want it to look damn good, and I think it willI'm pretty new here but I'd like to pt my 2 cents in. I think there are two types of people wanting convincing suits on RPF. Die hard Spiderman cosplayers and those looking for a cool Halloween costume. The die hard guys will do it all themselves, not cut corners, take the time, pay the price and have a mutual respect for the other die hard guys. The Halloween costume guys are looking for the most bang for the buck in the least amount of time.
Personally I'm a Halloween costume guy but I'm gonna take a crack at building a replica suit out of general interest. I think it can still be done on a budget.
Also, us Halloween costume guys have to remember this is The Replica Forum... not the Halloween costume forum. It's a hobby that people do take seriously. And putting on a suit that you put your hard work into gives a sense of pride.