The age old question- Eye fogging in a mask.

Discussion in 'Replica Props' started by decaturvader, Mar 16, 2006.

  1. decaturvader

    decaturvader Sr Member

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    While donning my Vader bucket, it used to be a pretty big issue regarding eye fog. I have made improvements to that problem over the years, but never really found a cure (if one exhists).
    Due to the nature of moisture in the mask, it probably is inevitable, but dang..there has to be a pretty good workaround.
    I have used a CPU fan in my mask to blow fresh air in. Now, that works pretty good sometimes actually, but not foolproof.
    I've used a light film of dish soap. It sorta worked, but I lost the clear vision thru the lenses.
    I've used Anti-Fog wipes...hmmm, I doubt they did anything at all.

    As ticked off as I become with this issue, moreless the feeling of being vulernable while in suit if they fog up, I have even had thoughts of compressed air.
    Seriously. What if a small canister, some sort of release valve/trigger and a couple small hoses rigged pointing at the lenses??

    What about the guts of a chemical/vapor mask like painters wear? it would keep exhaust from accumulating in the mask if you channel it right.

    You can tell I sound almost desperate to beat this thing LOL
     
  2. Scapey

    Scapey Sr Member

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    You and a million airsofters / paintballers...
     
  3. Darth Detroit

    Darth Detroit Sr Member

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    I used a fan with LIGHTLY soaped lenses. I used a diluted liquid dish soap. NEVER put compressed air near your eyes. Ever. You can go blind.
     
  4. Aegis159

    Aegis159 Sr Member

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    The dish soap works, as well as what thousands of us divers have been using for a long time....
     
  5. Darth Detroit

    Darth Detroit Sr Member

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    Very much agreed. :thumbsup
     
  6. Scapey

    Scapey Sr Member

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    Knowing how bad a Paintball mask smells if some hire player's been spitting in it... I dread to think how a Vader would get. :|
     
  7. Kris

    Kris Sr Member

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    I once was a 2* diver, so what we all did was first spit in the goggles, then really wipe everything with the spit, and then fastly clean the facemask with the water. Then put them on, and no fog. Except if they get wet again ...
     
  8. dijinn

    dijinn Active Member

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    Being an avid paintballer... I'm always looking for ways to prevent fogging. The best stuff I've used is FogTech, you can read about it here:

    FOGTECH


    Now, even though this is the best anti-fog product I've ever used, the best way to control fogging was for me to learn to direct my exhale breath downward and out of the mask. You've got all that open air space beneath your chin, if you can vent the warm air downward and out of the mask, you can solve alot of your fogging issues.

    - J.
     
  9. decaturvader

    decaturvader Sr Member

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    LOL. So,I need to invent a spray that is:
    a fluid containing:

    margeline
    Electrolytes: (2-21 mmol/L sodium, 10-36 mmol/L potassium, 1.2-2.8 mmol/L calcium, 0.08-0.5 mmol/L magnesium, 5-40 mmol/L cloride, 2-13 mmol/L bicarbonate, 1.4-39 mmol/L phosphate)
    Mucus. Mucus in saliva mainly consists of mucopolysaccharides and glycoproteins;
    Antibacterial compounds (thiocyanate, hydrogen peroxide, and secretory immunoglobulin A)
    Various enzymes. The major enzymes found in human saliva are alpha-amylase (EC3.2.1.1), lysozyme (EC3.2.1.17), and lingual lipase (EC3.1.1.3). Amylase starts the digestion of starch and lipase fat before the food is even swallowed. It has a pH optima of 7.4. Lingual lipase has a pH optimum ~4.0 so it is not activated till entering an acidic environment. Lysozyme acts to lyse bacteria. Human saliva contains also salivary acid phosphatases A+B (EC3.1.3.2), N-acetylmuramyl-L-alanine amidase (EC3.5.1.28), NAD(P)H dehydrogenase-quinone (EC1.6.99.2), salivary lactoperoxidase (EC1.11.1.7), superoxide dismutase(EC1.15.1.1), glutathione transferase (EC2.5.1.18), class 3 aldehyde dehydrogenase (EC1.2.1.3), glucose-6-phosphate isomerase (EC5.3.1.9), and tissue kallikrein (EC3.4.21.35). The presence of these things causes saliva to sometimes have a foul odor.

    :lol
     
  10. Luke Warmwater

    Luke Warmwater Well-Known Member

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    2 small PC fans powered by 9v batteries ended my fogging problems forever.
     
  11. Rebo

    Rebo Well-Known Member

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    Use a bar of soap which has been held under warm water to soften it. Then I smear it on the lense and buff it off.
    I do this to my goggles all the time when I motocross and never have any trouble with misting, no matter how hot and sweaty I get.
    It's also works great on your car windscreen in the winter months too.
     
  12. decaturvader

    decaturvader Sr Member

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    I have something like pictured below:

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    I thought about using just the main rubber unit and head straps. With a little modification that would force all exhaust to exit in the chin area on a Vader bucket. It would be uber-cool if something like that could be made to mate up against the triangle area inside the mask. A perfect channel for air flow between face and mask- nowhere else for it to go except out or in. Mount your Mic in there too.
     
  13. Rebel Hunter

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    I played airsoft for several years and I used a small computer fan in my mask and this stuff...

    http://www.catcrap.com/

    NEVER had any issues...just apply a small amount before each game day.
     
  14. Nataku

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    Spit works, and as a firefighter, so does air. When my SCBA mask fogs up, I use the emergency bypass for a quick blast of air. Clears it up.
     
  15. Darth Detroit

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    Standard issue USAF chem maskes have a feature, where everytiem you breath in cool filtered air blows over the face sheild. Thus, no fogging.
     
  16. altername

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    This works great for bathroom mirrors when you take a shower. I don't know why it wouldn't work for your helmet.

    Take a VERY small amount of shaving cream and rub it in until you can't see it anymore. It's not a permanent solution as you have to reapply every month or so. But if you're only wearing your helmet once in a while...
     
  17. Jack Bauer

    Jack Bauer Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I use "Rain X: Anti Fog". Wipe down the lenses. And I have 3 squirel cage fans. Two tiny ones blowing down onto the lenses and one small one blowing air up. I wear my helmet for hours at a time and don't fog. Unless going from cold to hot. Like outside to inside, but the fogging only lasts for a couple minutes ang goes away. I'll try to get a pic.

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  18. PantheraGem

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    This probably won't work by itself, but maybe in addition to the other soap/solutions. When I was making padding to go inside my VM01, I inadvertently also made it so the padding itself forced all of my breath through the mouth grills. Padding that goes over my nose and just under my eyes, snuggy. I've not trooped in it, but I kept it on for quite a while just to see if it would fog up. It didn't at all. I'm sure I looked ridiculous as well.......
     
  19. DL 44 Blaster

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    In my Trooper bucket I used 2PC fans w/ 2 9v batteries and a lens product called "NEVERFOG". I bought it at pep boys and it works GREAT.

    Steve
     
  20. hyperdyne

    hyperdyne Sr Member

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    Ive used the rain-x anti fog stuff and it works really well.
     
  21. Jack Bauer

    Jack Bauer Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Here is the interior of my Vader Helmet. I outlined the pads to give you a better sense of where there are (since everything is black and blends to gether in the photo) You can see my 3 different squirrel cage fans. Found them on google and the larger one sucking air in throught the mouth grills I found on ebay.

    The red arrows show where direct air is blown at all times. The two small ons run off of one 9V batt for both, and the larger is 12 volts so I have a small battery case in there for now with 8 3.5 volt AA batteries.

    This in addition to the Rain X/Anti Fog stuff, you can wear this helmet for hours on end for trooping and not have to take it off. Pluss the padding I set up in addition to the entire felt lining I put on the interior makes this helmet quite comfortabel. There are two pads attached to the T-Shaped strap system.

    [​IMG]
     
  22. GuntahKela

    GuntahKela Sr Member

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    They also sell the anti-fog stuff in spraycans. Check local motorcycle shops.
     
  23. Jimbo890

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    Another idea:

    I have some SCOTT brand snow skiing goggles. Anti-fog, and you can't even get them to fog up even if you huff-n-puff on them. The secret. 2 layers of lens material seperated by a thin wall of air. I don't know how this can be adapted to the Vader/Trooper/Paintball arenas, but it does work well.
     

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