Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

[ONEYE]

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Nothing worked about this show.

Your opinion, not that there is anything wrong with that. For those who liked the show, you won't change their opinion. :confused

 

[Egon Spengler]

Re: Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles, paiiinful

Never had any interest in this. Looked horrible from the first commercial.

 

[feek61]

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I personally liked the show. First season was good; the second did drag but ended strong. I guess to each his own. I would rather watch that then "The Nanny."

 

[kodofett]

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I liked the 1st season but fell asleep alot during the 2nd season. I would rather to sit around and watch the cars rust

 

[Apollo]

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That figures!

As fate would have its cruel twist, he wasnt chain smoking and not a spaz.

 

[YenChih Lin]

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I liked the show more than Terminator 3 and most of 4.

Shirley Manson's T-1000 was becoming a really interesting character, given her questionable loyalties.

I didn't live up to the first two films, but I found it to be closer in spirit to them than the other two movies. It sort of got lost in season two, but was slowly getting back right before it got cancelled.

The show was much better than T3, so I will accept it!

These are the reasons I watched TSCC - close knitted to 1 and 2, and better than 3 and 4. Maybe your expectation was different. :confused

 

[robstyle]

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How was it even anywhere in the ballpark parking lot, or even the sidewalk across the street, of the first two films? The time era's are waaaaaaaaaaaaay out of whack, there is a somewhat non existent use of local police or even civilians when action happens (the motel shootout where everyone ended up in the pool and then the FBI guy is standing there alone...), distances traveled might as well be using a warp drive much less the fact the locations are always exactly known to the people in question, John is in school, they are all in hiding yet out in the open sitting in parks and again John is in school, "questionable loyalties" of the Garbage singer girl's character is another reason why things didnt work much less these characters themselves.

I can only assume someone needed a new house or funds for their kid to go to college is how this show made it to air.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

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Yeah, anyone heard of home-schooling!? .)

 

[Peagis]

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I liked it, and thought it was really getting good by the end, really disappointed it was cancelled!

 

[Harada357]

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Well,

I am easy to please. I liked the show, some of the episodes were awesome when it came to character morality, tough decisions, and time travel. I thought the added T-1000 to the mix was a good start. If given just a little more time - it would have developed well. It needed a five season story arc.

I know most people don't go for it. I enjoyed anything in the "Terminator" franchise or it at least gets a second look, of course Summer Glau also gets my attention. :love

 

[Solo4114]

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The Summer Glau thing didn't do squat for me one way or the other. Yeah, she's pretty and all, but overall I just didn't care. I was more curious about her origin and what model Terminator she was, and I enjoyed watching her character develop.

I think the show had potential and it never QUITE realized it. Came pretty close in several parts, but I think it was in a transition phase when it was killed off.

 

[pennausamike]

Re: Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles, paiiinful

How was it even anywhere in the ballpark parking lot, or even the sidewalk across the street, of the first two films?
SNIP

Because T3 abandoned the,
"There is no Fate but what we make", element of T1 and T2
and became the "Oh woe is me, there's nothing we can do, it's all predestined", crap.
T:SCC went back to the fundamental idea of fighting to rewrite history to keep the machines from rising,
or at least keep them from winning.

I liked T:SCC better than either T3 or T4.
Except for a five story dead spot in season two, I enjoyed the plot and character development.

Mike

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles, paiiinful

Yeah, that's a fair point -- T3 and T4 were more just about "Here's what happened next," than about the notion of fighting the future.

Now, this gets into problems with time travel (especially time travel FRANCHISES) in that you end up with sort of "causal cul-de-sacs" where Skynet and the resistance in the future send someone to the past which in turn guarantees that the future will be what it is and essentially closes the loop. In that sense, you can run into predestination problems.

But TSCC in the opening episode basically says "We're totally blowing open the continuity." It became highly unclear WHAT the future was, given that you had obviously antagonistic terminators, friendly terminators, and "neutral" terminators or at least terminators from some other faction whose origins and intentions were as-yet unknown. And it expanded on the concept of a "War throughout time." I mean, rather than confining everything to the present day, you could have this or that person at ANY time in the past doing this or that to try to affect the future. So everything was thrown open and anything could happen.

I thought that was a cool concept that they could've played with, and they doubled-down by introducing really questionable bits (which were later used in T4) about humans who don't KNOW that they're terminators or at least have been reprogrammed as sleeper agents.

Like I said, lots of potential, and very good acting, but didn't develop fast enough to hook an audience.

 

[Wes R]

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This franchise reminds me of the Darkhorse comics take on the Terminator where in the future some of the machines join humanity to fight Skynet.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

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Because T3 abandoned the,
"There is no Fate but what we make", element of T1 and T2
and became the "Oh woe is me, there's nothing we can do, it's all predestined", crap.

Reese may have said that to Sarah, but T1 was no way anything but predestined. Everything happened according to how it should - which can easily be determined by the other things Reese explains about the future and about what Sarah will do.

T2 was the one that started experimenting with the possibility of the future being changed. It ended on a high note, but it was still uncertain whether they had actually changed the future. All they'd done was blow up a Cyberdyne Systems building, destroying some research and ending up having Dyson killed, who was said to be the mastermind of the chip. Well... even if he didn't finish the chip, he still headed the initial research so could still be credited as its creator.

Nothing was certain, as to whether they'd actually been successful in changing anything.

T3 is just a trainwreck so I don't even want to waste time on that one.

 

[robstyle]

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Even when watching the original Terminator back in the 80's I was under the assumption the future is set. Whats going to happen will happen because the present is already the past since the future has already happened. You can alter it by change but whats going to happen will happen one way or other. Look at it as if its a video. I can travel back in time by watching concert footage from the 60's. I cant change it, its always the same, other footage will reveal different angels but the outcome is always the same. I can re-edit the footage any way I like but the original actions have already happened. No matter what, those original actions can not be changed because we are in the present. In that theory, the future thats already been spoken of has already happened and will happen again. Since we know about it, we can try and alter it or keep it from happening but the best that can be done is postpone it. You think your changing things when in reality your not.

This is where the tv series completely dropped the ball. It was touched on but like the entire series, the story and characters fell flat for episode of the week crap and alterior none important story lines. I you dont have your target in sight while making the pilot, you have no business getting the green light for a series. At that, you have no reason for a second season.

 

[SmilingOtter]

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Skynet must not have thought the future was set, or it wouldn't have sent Arnie back in the first place. John must not have thought so either, or he wouldn't have sent Kyle back to stop it.

 

[Ttam Legacy]

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I enjoyed the series to a certain extent. It was, yet again, another series that I swore I wouldn't watch, and then when it was cancelled, I watched it and liked it. Working second shift sucks. I always miss the good ones. :rolleyes

 

[robstyle]

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Skynet must not have thought the future was set, or it wouldn't have sent Arnie back in the first place. John must not have thought so either, or he wouldn't have sent Kyle back to stop it.

Thats the thing, Skynet did realize it can not change the future as far back as T3. Since it couldnt get the Connors, it went after his higher ups therefore altering the future and the time line, but again NOT changing it. This is part of the story missing from Salvation with Marcus being from 2032 or in the Terminator universe, the end all to end all timeline. That means in 2032 the war is over, Skynet has lost as has humanity, nobody wins. Marcus' main mission was to transfer technology information back in time with any and all side missions to gather intel. Anyone remember the "Resistance Infiltrator" thing that just vanished from the film as quickly as the "T700", any apparent time travel, the fact we see two Marcus' in Salvation and nobody even scratching their head as to why he has to "go north to Skynet". The machines know the outcome, they can only try and postpone it.
Im not even going to get into John Connor not being THE John Connor that ends the war. Its John Connor Jr that does this.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

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Err... what is this? Expanded Universe?

Skynet was built by man, and can only learn from what man has learned, so isn't flawless. The first time travel attempt was an act of desperation, in case it had been fed with multiple universe theories (hell, maybe it liked to watch Back to the Future in it's spare time from killing off all humans). Just because it's a computer doesn't mean it would know for sure.

Since the future is also the past of some even further out future, if you cannot change the past, you can also not change the future. It's really quite simple and straightforward. Everything has already happened to some distant future... we are just racing to catch up deluding ourselves regarding having free will.