Terminator: Genisys

[Sean Hebein]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

I'm glad it made you laugh, still was kind of mean. Arnold's human, makes/made mistakes, I'm sorry for his situation. :$

Yeah, it is sad that they are getting divorced but the comparison to Skeletor was pretty hilarious.

Back on topic: If they do make a Terminator 5 with Arnie, I hope that he isn't supposed to be an actual terminator. I think it would be pretty awesome to see an origin story of who they modeled the Terminator after. And please for the love of god don't make it about Sgt. Candy! :lol


I'm still unclear about what you are talking about Wolfie. Perhaps you'd like to expand your thought process beyond:

er, have you actually watched T1 and T2?!

 

[robstyle]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

If they did do a T5 with Arnie as an origin story continuing from TS he would first be a test bunny then a hybrid such as was with Marcus. There could be many copies since the original DNA and build log is on file once tests are done and the first Arnie hybrid completed.

My opinion, abandon the popcorn big bang boom mindless action sequences and go back to gritty practical effects and style. We dont need a car chase, motorcycles or new Terminators in every film. A proper story need be in place with actors to pull it off.

Its a sad day when a Cameo video looks more Terminator than the last two Terminator movies:
Cameo - Word Up - YouTube

 

[DarkKnight]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

But Arnold's brilliant comments on how to use the female robot to strategic advantage is to leer about the godawful, offensive "boob enlarging" scene. The whole movie came off as pretty misogynistic, to be frank. Between the boob growing and the bathroom brawl, all I could think was "wow, they really hate women."

I have no problem with the boobs, I love women and I think kicking the butt of a female terminators is just fine as are women as sex objects, otherwise the movies wouldn't be as fun as they a re

 

[Wolfie138]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

I'm still unclear about what you are talking about Wolfie. Perhaps you'd like to expand your thought process beyond:

T1 : Specifically states one Terminator came through, Kyle followed and they blew the place. "No one else comes through, no one goes back" is something like the actual quote.
T2 : er....apart from two more Terminators

T1 : Kyle's talk infers the T800s are the top end, "new", w/ real skin etc.
T2 : ...and magically the T800s are old out-of-date models. T800 has full info on what the T1000 is and what it's made of tho apparently no one in T1 was told this despite John sending the T800 back etc etc.

T1 : specifically stated no weapons ("ray guns" lol) could be brought because "nothing dead" can go though, "something about the field generated by a living organism".
T2 : ...except for T1000s apparently, which are metal. and don't have the living flesh covering that the T800s have.

IOW, let's make another film cos i want some money, regardless of destroying the canon of the first film (that i ripped off anyway) and let's also pretend i invented morphing, even though Willow did it years before.

 

[robstyle]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

One of the brilliant things Salvation failed to put on screen was time travel and the fact (I feel like a broken record here) Marcus was from 2032 or "the end of the world".
Time frames had been postponed but the outcome will never change, both sides will lose. Skynet is sending technology back in time via Marcus hence his need to go north, hence the "T-RIP" designation meaning "Terminator Resistance Infiltration Prototype", hence the light bulb going off "how far is your base" reaction and line upon hearing the name John Connor, hence his know how of locating, entering and using machines/computers at Skynet... He didnt know what he was as his hybrid chip hadnt been activated hence he has free will but like an urge is driven to complete tasks. Those tasks are to upload future technology to Skynet mainframes, hence the T800 being many years too soon as with the horrible idea of Moto Terminators and the giant Transformer or Aerostats or whatever the things were called... They also had Plasma Rifles that were made and filmed yet are absent as is much of the missing movie plot in place of explosions and bad acting cast.

Those future technology changes sent to the past altered the future which in Terminator'ville alteres the past postponing the future yet the future has a set end point. Thats when everything dies and is shut down. Its an easy way out as the changes done to suit each individual sequel script gave zero thought to a sequel. Salvation had it at one point then it went off into WTF land and the movie we ended up seeing is a shell of any creativity or continuity solutions. It just became a whole new problem.

The plot is still there but you have to actually know it for it to make any sense.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

T4 is absurd, similar to T3 being a turd. Nothing to gain from either. You cannot have inevitability with unfixed changeable events - they rule each other out. Changeable future throws every certain thing out the window. Like continuity in a book from start to finish, so should time travel in Terminator movies be time-chronological, as that's what was established in the first one.

 

[ONEYE]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

One of the brilliant things Salvation failed to put on screen was time travel and the fact (I feel like a broken record here) Marcus was from 2032 or "the end of the world".
Time frames had been postponed but the outcome will never change, both sides will lose. Skynet is sending technology back in time via Marcus hence his need to go north, hence the "T-RIP" designation meaning "Terminator Resistance Infiltration Prototype", hence the light bulb going off "how far is your base" reaction and line upon hearing the name John Connor, hence his know how of locating, entering and using machines/computers at Skynet... He didnt know what he was as his hybrid chip hadnt been activated hence he has free will but like an urge is driven to complete tasks. Those tasks are to upload future technology to Skynet mainframes, hence the T800 being many years too soon as with the horrible idea of Moto Terminators and the giant Transformer or Aerostats or whatever the things were called... They also had Plasma Rifles that were made and filmed yet are absent as is much of the missing movie plot in place of explosions and bad acting cast.

Those future technology changes sent to the past altered the future which in Terminator'ville alteres the past postponing the future yet the future has a set end point. Thats when everything dies and is shut down. Its an easy way out as the changes done to suit each individual sequel script gave zero thought to a sequel. Salvation had it at one point then it went off into WTF land and the movie we ended up seeing is a shell of any creativity or continuity solutions. It just became a whole new problem.

The plot is still there but you have to actually know it for it to make any sense.

I am stunned. This is the first time reading this plot, Marcus from the future? Where did you get all this info?

 

[robstyle]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

Oneye,

You are seeing three different Marcus' in TS. The original human Marcus in the opening, a dead already time traveled Marcus on the table when Connors team raids the base that gets nuked, then the Marcus we follow through the rest of the film as he has time traveled to that exact point about 12 hours after the place is nuked. This is why it goes from morning to raining night then nekkid Marcus stumbles out of the joint confused with no idea whats going on, yet he is drawn north. He is continuously told Skynet rules the north, yet he keeps insisting on going north. He is pre-programmed with details. Skynet knows where he is at all times due to "the signal" which explains why they always know where to find them and who he is with which explains why they know its Kyle Reese driving the Jeep. Its why Marcus knows where they took Kyle and why he can find him. He doesnt know why but he knows how. Much of this was explained in the deleted and discarded hybrid scenes and with the original filmed footage of Selena as a hybrid and not as a computer generated image on a screen. Selena also had a T800 bodyguard to put more emphasis on the T800 killing machine as it kills Selena when Marcus disrupts her hybrid chip. This puts the T800 into instant ape **** killing mode. The reason it didnt kill Marcus, and it was about to go after him, is when he first arrives in front of Selena she orders the T800 not to harm him.

There is a complete film missing from TS. Some scenes for good that were never filmed such as the hybrid golf course where T800's are golf caddies, gardeners and paving roads but also the good stuff such as story and plot.

The original character of Barnes was a pimp, pretty much strait up, a pimp. He had hoe's and Blaire was one of them. Like I said, good and bad changes were made. There was also more detail and scenes with Terry Crews who was Barnes' brother. I believe at the films premier Terry Crews was physically restrained from going after McG for the cuts and changes. He was made into an extra in the movie.

Also cut as mentioned was the future technology which included weapons, the still yet unborn Baby John Connor Jr yet you can still see she is preggers but they tried to hide it out in editing, and the entire T700 line of Terminators even though they are in the T700 factory. The line was added "T800's" yet they are T700's which is why they have a blackened and rough finish.

Its as if the footage was stuck into a blender and what came out was what we seen.

 

[ONEYE]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

Thank you for all that. I am still shocked. Is there somewhere that I can read the script or more of this information? It looks like they could have had a much better movie had they done some different editing. I remember the original ending was said to have John Connor die, strip his flesh and give it to Marcus, but then Marcus was supposed to kill everyone... I'm not clear on that though.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

Honestly... trying to polish a turd and it still smells like ****.

 

[ONEYE]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

Oh well, TS is still part of Terminator history, whether or not people like it. Don't know if we'll get another Terminator movie. If Prometheus does well , maybe Ridley Scott could pick up the torch for us?

 

[terryr]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

.....
Its as if the footage was stuck into a blender and what came out was what we seen.

Well, I guess the footage will come out some day. Maybe on the Super Duper Director Is A Hack Edition. Then someone will do a fan edit on it and make a reasonable movie.

But I would rather wipe out as much of Marcus as possible.

 

[SSgt Burton]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

I remember the original ending was said to have John Connor die, strip his flesh and give it to Marcus, but then Marcus was supposed to kill everyone... I'm not clear on that though.

Pretty much exactly what you said. McG was doing an interview with AICN-

What I remember is McG saying that Conner dies, and his face/skin is transplanted to Marcus. The Conner/Marcus sits up from the operating table, looks around... then grabs a gun and shoots everyone (his wife, Blaire etc).

Fade to black- the end.

So as McG is describing this "ending"- he looks arounds and says something like---

"Yeah that's right. See? I've sucked the life out of this room just telling you about it."


Honestly the ending we got wasn't much better. :rolleyes


Kevin

 

[ONEYE]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

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[Zombie Killer]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

I always assumed the first scene with Marcus in T4 actually took place before or during T3. That is why in T3 there is that humanoid looking robot in the military base that Kates dad is at while they are testing the HK drone. That robots endoskeleton looks like Marcus's. It also explains why that robot is there at all in T3.

The whole Terminator story is screwed up but T1 is the worst and starts most of the confusion and screws up the rest of the series. How can skynet send back the technology that starts the technology? The only way skynet can send the technology back in time is if it came from somewhere other than the T1 terminator. How can a non existing future send back what begins their existence? It's pretty stupid. I always though it made more sense that our military came up with some high tech AI that became self aware and after the initial destruction of the world just kept advancing in technology to the point it figured out a way to time travel. After that it just kept sending back infiltraters to speed up the takeover. It also had a resistance it was fighting led by JC and hence the reason to go back in time and try to kill his mom. Thats it, the reason to send the T800 back to kill JC is just that, to kill JC. That action took an already set future on a different path. Everything else we know is assumed by Kyle Reese but he admits he doesn't know crap either about how the war begins. So basically Skynet sent back terminators to kill it's enemy, J Conner, but it backfires and it creates a more formidable foe. The T800 from T1 was not the source of the technology that created skynet. It just changed the future that had already happened. Skynets mess up also delayed the start of the end of the world. Before the terminator in T1 came back in time the end of the world was one date. After he goes back in time it moves ahead years because of his actions. So his actions delayed what was already happening in the AI's development because it would have been awakened sooner had he not shown up at all. So the AI that became Skynet was coming whether or not the T1 T800 came back in time or not.

 

[ONEYE]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

Good thinking Glen!

 

[Zombie Killer]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

I actually meant T2 screwed it up with the assumption that the skynet technology came from the T1 T800.

 

[SSgt Burton]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

How can a non existing future send back what begins their existence?

It is referred to as an "ontological paradox". It exists because it exists. It has no definable beginning or end.

There is another more subtle paradox in the Terminator series- "Plastique."

Kyle Reese explains that (future) John Connor taught them to fight, blow up HKs etc. So (although never truly outright said) it can be assumed that John Connor taught Kyle how to make Plastique.

Kyle travels into the past and teaches Sarah how to make Plastique, who in turn teaches John... Who then teaches the resistance (and Kyle) in the future.

The recipie for Plastique has no origin. It always existed.

That is... if you believe time travel works that way.


Another thing to consider is the best way to prevent the war is for John to kill himself (or if the Terminator actually succeeded in T1)-

If there was no John Connor (in the past) there would be no reason for Skynet to send a Terminator back in time to kill him (or his Mother). No Terminator in the past, no advanced technology for Skynet to be built.

If you believe time travel works that way.


Kevin

 

[terryr]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

I suggest you google 'plastique'. It's been around for decades.

So, if Kyle hadn't shown Sarah she would have found out somehow.

If Skynet hadn't made a time machine, Kyle couldn't have gone back in time to father John and Sarah would have stayed in college to be a teacher or something - T1, John would still think his mother is a psycho in a mental hospital and end up a petty crook - T2, and he would be locked up in county jail for the veterinary break in when the bombs went off - T3.

 

[ONEYE]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

I think if you can accept time travel, then you must also be open to multiple timelines and alternate worlds. It gets pretty complicated.