They should just give a real Terminator fan a few million dollars, Peter Weller, and Frank Miller and make Robocop Vs Terminator. At this point I half hope some anime company gets the rights to Terminator as a weird anime can't be any worse. That said one reason this movie didn't do well is they had everyone's expectations set so low from the start nobody went to see it. At this point they might be able to just make Terminator movies direct to dvd like Resident Evil, which actually makes a ton of money on dvd. But I think the Terminator franchise is too expensive to do anything but theater scale filming.
Terminator: Genisys (Post-release)
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Too Much Garlic
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There never was an alternate timeline in T1. What you saw was a continuous loop. There was no before version and no after version, there was only the one version. Time doesn't care when you exist - you just exist. And your existence in time doesn't have to begin with your birth, but the first moment you exist in time (the time you travel back to in a time machine). Discounting that... biology also dictates it cannot happen any other way than we see it. If Sarah wasn't with Reese at that exact time, John would never have been. It's a biological impossibility. And instead of quoting things Reese say that he has absolutely no knowledge about, how about quoting things Reese state as facts that absolutely could not have happened unless Sarah had interacted with Reese and the Terminator. THAT he knows because John told him those things happened. And they couldn't have happened unless Reese had come back to warn her. *Hiding before the war*. *Prepared (John) from when he was a kid*. *John's father dying before the war*. As well as the picture that John gave Reese in the future being the exact same one that was taken at the end of the movie, when Sarah was driving off to hide before the war. Putting all faith in a comment such as *One possible future* and other such things about things Reese knows nothing about, doesn't prove a thing, other than that Reese doesn't know tech stuff. He's just a grunt. Also, if there had been an alternate timeline, where John had been fathered by some random joker, then why would John have taken any kind of interest in Kyle Reese, told him about his past and given him that picture? Makes no logical sense and just complicates an otherwise rather straightforward loop.
T2 kinda ruins that though and really shouldn't have been made, as it contradicts T1 in several key areas.
The only way to save the franchise is to tell the future war as Reese told it in T1, but no one will touch that and do it right because it means NO TERMINATORS until towards the end of the war, just close to Reese being sent back. Not years of seeing them out and about. No... in war... you don't call something new if it has been out in the field for more than a few months. Especially not in a kind of war that we see glimpses of in T1. Terminators were Skynets last resort... so would have hunted and killed humans in other ways that eventually proved to be insufficient... and when the Terminators failed to bring better results it sent one of them back in time. The future war from T1 will never be seen, because no movie studio has the guts to make it into a film because it doesn't have Terminators until the very end. And... anyone who says there's no challenge in showing a story we already know the details of clearly has no high regard for book adaptions or historical dramas. They can be made entertaining. And saying it needs twists and turns to what we know in order to be exciting... well... that's just lazy storytelling.
T2 kinda ruins that though and really shouldn't have been made, as it contradicts T1 in several key areas.
The only way to save the franchise is to tell the future war as Reese told it in T1, but no one will touch that and do it right because it means NO TERMINATORS until towards the end of the war, just close to Reese being sent back. Not years of seeing them out and about. No... in war... you don't call something new if it has been out in the field for more than a few months. Especially not in a kind of war that we see glimpses of in T1. Terminators were Skynets last resort... so would have hunted and killed humans in other ways that eventually proved to be insufficient... and when the Terminators failed to bring better results it sent one of them back in time. The future war from T1 will never be seen, because no movie studio has the guts to make it into a film because it doesn't have Terminators until the very end. And... anyone who says there's no challenge in showing a story we already know the details of clearly has no high regard for book adaptions or historical dramas. They can be made entertaining. And saying it needs twists and turns to what we know in order to be exciting... well... that's just lazy storytelling.
JediG60racer
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It's seriously missing the Doc Brown/Delorean connection. BTTF4 should have Terminators in it to fix this. And maybe the future cop from Continuum.
CB2001
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Too Much Garlic
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Okay... I gotta admit... now there are two ways to save the franchise. That's was freaking awesome. I wanna see that movie.
No studio will do the future war movie because audiences will not want to spend 2 hours straight in that place.
Nobody makes fictional popcorn movies set in Auschwitz in 1943 either. Its not a fun place to be. You can only get an audience to go there for 2 hours if it's a true story so they feel obligated to tolerate such an unpleasant setting.
Nobody makes fictional popcorn movies set in Auschwitz in 1943 either. Its not a fun place to be. You can only get an audience to go there for 2 hours if it's a true story so they feel obligated to tolerate such an unpleasant setting.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
There are three stages to the war:
Annihilation and work camps.
Fighting back.
Terminators (when Skynet is beginning to lose).
That's a three-act movie - perhaps a Titanic length movie.
It can be done without spending too much time in the annihilation camps, but just enough to show that it's pretty dire. It just needs the right writer and director, and so far that seems to me to be the team that made Kick-Ass 1 and X-Men First Class. They have a certain flair for bringing something different to a story that gives it a certain charm.
But yes, as I said: no studio has the balls to make the T1 future war.
Annihilation and work camps.
Fighting back.
Terminators (when Skynet is beginning to lose).
That's a three-act movie - perhaps a Titanic length movie.
It can be done without spending too much time in the annihilation camps, but just enough to show that it's pretty dire. It just needs the right writer and director, and so far that seems to me to be the team that made Kick-Ass 1 and X-Men First Class. They have a certain flair for bringing something different to a story that gives it a certain charm.
But yes, as I said: no studio has the balls to make the T1 future war.
CB2001
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To me, the big issue is that after the second film, it removed the character and dramatic portions from The Terminator, turning them into poorer quality films focused too much on the visuals. It's the same reason why I feel The Matrix fell flat on their face, because the first film we could sympathize with the characters, especially Neo, whose life is drastically changed for better or worse by the revelation of what The Matrix is.
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annanake
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Yeah I agree what saved the matrix for me was when I realized that neo was not the one. It was agent Smith.
I looked it up after to see if anybody came to the same conclusion. of course they had there is some dude on youtube that breakers it down completely. the only part I hate is everything about it says fan theory . theory my butt it is explained in the movie pretty well if you pay attention and especially after a second viewing where you remember clues given in the next movie . to explain things . like why Smith calls the oricle mom ! And the list goes on.
On terminator I have decided to just enjoy the flashy lights and boom booms because there is no logical reason after the first movie . if they could just keep sending terminator's back . why not go back as far as they could trace the line and end up killing a cowboy who could use nothing faster than a horse to escape or the obvious like in the video above shoot baby Connor in the face ! LOL
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