Terminator: Genisys (Post-release)

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  1. Vivek

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  2. NeoRutty

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    Saw it last night. I went in wanting to like it. I've actually been defending the potential for it to be a good movie. I mean, who knows, maybe the writer had a REALLY good Terminator story to tell.

    He did not.

    THE GOOD!

    - Sarah Connor is super cute.
    - I liked the first 10 minutes or so. I could get nit-picky about terrible dialogue and such, but I was looking past it, hoping for a great movie.
    - I liked the guy playing Kyle Reese.
    - Schwarzenegger looks good as "Pops"
    - CG T800 Arnold looked * good.
    - AZN T-1000 was cool


    THE BAD

    - Sarah Connor is super cute! seriously... you just wanna squeeze her cheeks.
    - The Casting of John Connor... was that Jon C Reilly? No? Are you sure?
    - While I liked him, I didn't buy the new guy as Kyle Reese.
    - most dialogue was exposition. Confusing exposition.
    - Muddled story.
    - The "big reveal" has been given away in the trailer.
    - outside of the stuff that was supposed to be the same scenes as the first movie, there are close to 50 call backs to the other two. It's too much.
    - Smiling Arnie didn't work in T2 (thus it was cut) and works even less here.
    - There was probably a decent story outline for this flick that got lost in the script.
    - Non-sensical time travel stuff.
    - T-800? more like T-800 Lines of Exposition, amiright?!!?
     
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  3. jheilman

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    THIS /\

    It was like they took the first two films, tossed them together like dice and threw them down and made a new film with what landed. We get a T800, T1000 and a newer model. We get heading, again, to Cyberdyne to blow it up. We get endless, useless gunfire into terminators having zero effect. We get yet another attempt to stop Judgement Day from ever happening.

    Best parts for me were the CG 1984 Arnie and the recreated shots from the original. Back when all this WAS original. It doesn't stink, but it's about a 6 on my scale.
     
  4. dbalschi

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    Not the best, not the worst. Better than T3 at least. I definitely think the beginning future scenes and 1984 were the best parts.
     
  5. kegas76

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    When new ads came out this week they left me feeling like they should have had a Spoiler Alert preface on them.
    I imagine they are under a lot of pressure to perform after JW crushed it.
     
  6. Apollo

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    One and done for me! :lol
     
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  8. n0regret5

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    I enjoyed it. They tried really hard to tie it together, even finding a guy who looked like Bill Paxton.
     
  9. Treadwell

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    I had fun. Better than 3 and 4.
    I can understand how callbacks can be grating, but somehow they won me on this occasion.

    Has anyone mentioned Sarah is super cute? ;)

    Not just cute, but sexy-cute. :love
     
  10. dbalschi

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    After another day to process the movie I'm left with a few questions.

    Who sent Pops back?
    Why didn't Skynet take control of John before he sent Kyle back?
    How were they able to build a time machine in 1984 but John couldn't in 2017? He should have all of Skynets files at his disposal.
    How does a uniformed cop from LA in 1984 miraculously work in San Francisco in 2017 where Kyle and Sarah show up?
     
  11. Dreddful

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    I enjoyed it, but MAN were there a lot of plot holes!!!!!

    Things I Liked:
    1) The 1984 scenes redone
    2) John giving Kyle the message
    3) The subtle Kyle Reese piano theme that played now and then in the background, LOVED that

    Things I Hated:
    1) CGI was awful
    2) The Superman strength and speed terminators magically have now
    3) Jai Courtney was nothing like the character Michael Biehn brought to life. At all. That depresses me.

    Oh, and...
    Why did Pops blow up Sarah's parents house when she was a kid?! I don't get that at all! He was standing with a smoking bazooka.
     
  12. The Terminator

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    :facepalm
    Even though so many says it is sooo bad it still gets way too high ratings. 6/10? more like minus six out of ten.

    :lol

    Looks nothing like Paxton and all of the punks are all wrong, clothes, hair style....
     
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  13. teragon

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    I'm pretty sure most of the audience won't notice, and if they do, they won't care. Heck, I've seen T1 just before Genesys, as part of a mini marathon my regular movie theatre was offering, and I didn't notice... But then again, I'm not particularly fan of the Terminator franchise, I like them for what they are, action/sci-fi movies with Schwarzenegger. And the last one was OK, had much more of a Terminator vibe than the last one with Bale for sure. And I thought the beginning mimicking the first movie was pretty well done, as most of the people in the room from what I could overhear at the end of the movie.
     
  14. Soulinertia

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    Just another every-day-run-of-the-mill action movie. Not horrible, but not worth watching again.

    Liked:
    Emilia Clarke as Sarah Connor
    Some of the future battle scenes
    that's about it. All I can think of . . . 2 things.

    Disliked:
    Jason Clarke as John Connor - Terrible casting
    Jai Courtney as Kyle Reese - not believable
    Terminator smiling way too many times
    New T800 endos all look like they are smiling too, WTH?
    A T1000 in a police uniform AGAIN
    J.K. Simmons character - absolutely pointless and had no effect on the plot. Why was he even in this movie???
    Too many more to list . . .
     
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  15. jheilman

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    We don't really know who sent Pops to 1973, but based on Sarah's description, a T1000 was also there to kill her and Pops saved her by shooting it.

    Way too many terminators sent back to too many times. Next film will be set in 1955. The terminator will be in the shape of a teenage boy named Biff and his mission will be to make certain that Sarah's parents never meet and fall in love at the Enchantment Under the Sea high school dance. The rebellion will send back a protector (teenage boy named Marty) to stop him. When the mission is done, he meets Miles Dyson's father who helps build a time displacement machine in his garage to send him 'back to the future.' GREAT SCOTT!!!
     
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  16. Treadwell

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    Too bad Sarah missed BTTF II by five years, she could've wondered where all the flying cars were in 2017.

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    Simmons sprung them out of the hospital, so he had an effect.

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    Looks like Sarah wasn't as effective as the T2 John was in training Arnie not to kill people. The poor slob who was driving that fuel tanker had a very bad day.

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    But yeah, there were holes. How did Kyle get the alternate timeline memory of him talking in the mirror when that hadn't even happened yet in ANY timeline?
     
  17. Treadwell

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    Given the time paradox thing, Pops needn't have worried about Sarah and Kyle conceiving John. They're setting their own new timeline, and any of their offspring will grow up in it. Even if they just jumped to 1997 as originally intended, they were going to stop Judgment Day, so John wouldn't need to lead the resistance, and if they failed he'd be too young to do so.

    Not to mention that any child they conceived would not be John, since they'd be "mating" at a different moment and a different sperm would win the race.

    The only time travel scenario that would even come close to making sense given the events in these movies is the BTTF approach, where the original timeline(s) are NOT changed, they are just creating new ones parallel. So John need not be created in the first place. He would still "exist" in his original timeline.
     
  18. Treadwell

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    Hey, think of all the people "now" alive since the original T-800 was taken out of action right away. Sarah's roommate, the other Sarah Connors, Paul Winfield and many other cops, Dick Miller, Lance Henricksen, Bill Paxton....
     
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  19. Dreddful

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    The whole thing just didn't make any sense.
     
  20. Treadwell

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    How so?
     
  21. Apollo

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    Right, I wonder if it would make more sense if I smoked some of what Jim Cameron did when he viewed this :lol


     
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  22. CB2001

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    Dad and I saw it. It was okay. Not great. Could have been way better. Is it just be or did the CG Arnold during the punks scene looked better in the film than it did from the preview if the same scene?

    Also, I noticed something off. The scene at the cabin in Sarah's flashback. When she looks up at Pops, he looks like he's dressed like how the T-800 looked in the third act, down to the Gargoyle sunglasses. Did those style of sunglasses exist in 1973? If not, how'd Pops get a pair of them in that time period?

    Glad to see Sandrine Holt. Bummer her character is most likely dead.

    And they had two Brits playing the villains. Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed some of Jason Clarke's performances in the past, but I didn't buy him as John Connor. Seriously, they could have hired Edward Furlong to play the role again and it'd been better.

    The mid-credit scene. I have to call BS on it. Seriously, let the franchise die already! We don't need another one.

    But, all in all, the main issue I have with the film is that it's too light. The first two films were pretty dark in their design and story. Everything after the second film is too light, often too comedic and it pushes me out of the film. I tried to give it a chance, but I wouldn't recommend this to anyone to see it in the theaters. At most, I'd recommend a TNT showing., at best.
     
  23. The Mad Professor

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    I'm gonna go against the grain and say that I loved it. I went into it with the same level of expectation as I did when watching Salvation (the worst of the series, in my opinion), and I was very much surprised. It was awesome to see the final battle against Skynet in The Future War and an even greater treat to see some previous concept art come to life on the screen (particularly, the HK-Centurion). Thankfully, Judgement Day happened before George Lucas could create Episode I, otherwise Skynet would have known that it's never a smart move to have all your troops taking commands from a single source. Still, as a computer system, Skynet should have had backups and redundancies built in instead of a Central Core to avoid a complete shutdown.
     
  24. Dreddful

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    It very obvious when parts were CGI and when they weren't. The characters seem to get a weightlessness about them that just looks so unbelievable. Like the rules of physics don't exist.
     
  25. DarkKnight

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    I loved it! intense action! Arnold made the movie, its a must see!
     
  26. Shadow345

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    Thankfully this movie turned out to be pretty good. Especially after reading months of negativity against it. I liked Jai Courtney in this movie more than anything else I have seen him in.
     
  27. Apollo

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    Man this is TANKING at the box office! :unsure
     
  28. Flagg

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    Just got back from seeing the new Terminator movie. Not the best in the series but far from the worst. Totally screwed with the timelines. Arnie was fun as "Pops" terminator but I wasn't buying the guy they got to take over the role of Reese. But if you take all the timelines as stemming from the original movie there should of been one long que of terminators waiting for their turn to get sent back from the future.
     
  29. SVTStingRay

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    interesting concept.............poor product. talk about poluted timelines...............sheesh............we are gonna need a graph 5x times bigger than the one for inception to figure it all out. loved the beginning but once the story goes forward to 2017 and dupli-connor..............it loses me.
     
  30. The Mad Professor

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    You aren't kidding about the bigger graph...

    http://www.slashfilm.com/terminator-genisys-matt-smith/

    and this:

    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Term...s-Scene-What-Happens-What-It-Means-72377.html

    and this:

    http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/mat...nisys-so-who-is-matt-smith-s-character-really

    Indeed it does rest in our hands... and to be honest, the idea they have is absolutely mind-boggling. I, for one, would absolutely LOVE to see how this trilogy plays out.

    But then again, I absolutely love the Terminator universe, specifically the idea of multiple timelines. There's so much potential here, so I hope they continue forward.
     
  31. CB2001

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    Here's a bizarre thought that came up. And I know that this film doesn't fully follow canon, but there's something that's been irking me. Terminators are designed to last for a long period of time. I mean, in the first two films, we get a sense that the Terminators are capable of running at least 100 years (going from the information the Uncle Bob T-800 gave when John asked "how long do you last", but Uncle Bob stated that it was with his existing power cell he could last 120 years, but that may have just been in relation to the power cell itself). Now, these machines are meant to be tough, and we've seen how difficult it is to destroy one of them. Yet, Pops seems to have motor control problems with his hand and he had to stop to push his dislocated knee back into place while during the hospital scene. Pops explained that he's "old, but not obsolete." Shouldn't the T-800's endoskeleton not have these issues, no matter how old they get? I mean, why would Skynet design a machine that can easily break down with age, yet have a power cell that can run for at least 120 years? I mean, it's only 11 years between 1973 and 1984 (assuming Pops was purposefully sent back to 1973, and didn't end up in a much earlier timeframe). And it's 33 years between 1984 and 2017. That's 44 years that Pops may have been active.
     
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  32. Treadwell

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    VERY active. He's been fighting and getting knocked around and stuff!
     
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  33. Apollo

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    "It's not the age, it's the mileage" ;)
     
  34. DavidS

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    His arm got damaged in the fight with the original T800 and his leg was damaged after the hospital fight

    Btw I LOVED this movie. VERY entertaining
     
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    Ug with the convoluted time line stuff, but still an enjoyable film. Not great or an equal of the first two but again, for the most part a film I could find myself watching multiple times. I liked the Sarah Conner character more than I thought I would. She is no Linda Hamilton in terms of bad assery, but she did play the part well. In the show I went too, Arnie got the most laughs, and I enjoyed him every time he was on screen. Jai, well I can't say one thing good about his performance. I would rather have had them have Bien reprise his role, regardless of age.
     
  36. Dreddful

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    Personally....I'd like to see Arnold as the bad guy again, not the protector.
     
  37. SVTStingRay

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    well all that planning for sequels has hit a speedbump..............its gonna be a box-office bomb.
     
  38. Apollo

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    It certainly did'nt perform the way they had hoped.

    i also thought it would do better VERY disapointing take at the box office :unsure
     
  39. Mados

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    Emilia Clarke was great as Sarah. Hated Jason Clarke as Connor, and Jai Courtney was forgettable. Also hated the over the top strength of the Terminators and the stuff like the school bus flip and the totally unbelievable helicopter stunts. I did like it better than the last two movies.
     
  40. The Terminator

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    YAY :D :D :D good times

    Easy, HACK writers.

    T3 and onwards turned the Terminator into a superman-esque machine. Totally unlike what we see in the first two films :facepalm
     
  41. nitrox

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    I thought it was enjoyable for the most part, certainly a lot better than T3 or Salvation. I knew it was never going to reach the lofty heights of T1 or T2 but overall I enjoyed it.
     
  42. Apollo

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    Salvation made 20 million more than this one in its first five days.

    Hows that for a slap in the face! :lol
     
  43. teragon

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    To be fair, TS didn't have a monster blockbuster like Jurassic World eating everything up to go against. It's already the fifth highest grossing movie of all time, that's quite the competition ! And it had Bale in it, drawing fans from the hugely successful TDK with him. As cute as Emilia Clark is, she doesn't have the same appeal, and neither does Arnold ! Plus indeed people are being wary after the mess Salvation was. It's not due to the quality of the movie, which is better than salvation, but more due to the circumstances.
     
  44. The Mad Professor

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    This.

    I tried to see Jurassic World at 10am on Saturday (had to leave... long story), and the theater was nearly packed.
     
  45. Cam McFly

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    They should have brought back Anton Yelchin as Kyle Reese.
     
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    I'm waiting for Netflix.
     
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    Yeah, I noticed that too. My dad and I went to see it in iMAX on opening day, and when I saw that I started to laugh. Come on, What are the odds that a DIFFERENT Terminator would dress in the EXACT same clothes as the other 11 YEARS before the events of the first.
     
  48. Treadwell

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    Because flared cords and foot-long lapels were not going to cut it.
     
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    Never again
     

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    I was so optimistic about this movie, but what an absolutely unwatchable *. It had all the gravitas of Van Helsing. I could list everything that sucked about it, but frankly I don't want to give it any more time than the two hours it already wasted.
     

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