Terminator Endoskeleton - LFS Kit - WIP

spoudastis

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Alumaluster is the way to go for paint, might be the same issue with import though. Expensive as hell but amazing stuff. google it for images.

 

Too Much Garlic

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Interesting enough, I also found that the T1 endo - or at least the sculpt and one of the prototypes, if not the actual screen used version - has 7 vertebra, where mine has 4 and I've seen others with 5 (unsure whether that 5th one was part of the LFS kit or sourced elsewhere or just fan sculpted) but I will definitely try to either source or sculpt the remaining ones.

Sculpt:
T1 - Endoskeleton - Stan Winston Studios - Sculpt - 005.jpg
T1 - Endoskeleton - Stan Winston Studios - Sculpt - 006.jpg


Casting:
T1 - Endoskeleton - Stan Winston Studios - Kit - 001.jpg
T1 - Endoskeleton - Stan Winston Studios - Kit - 002.jpg
T1 - Endoskeleton - Stan Winston Studios - Kit - 003.jpg
T1 - Endoskeleton - Stan Winston Studios - Kit - 009.jpg
 
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Too Much Garlic

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You really ought to get it 3D scanned. Sort of like this: Limited Run - 3D Scans of 150+ Star Wars Confirmed Donors

The Hasegawa 1/8 Le Rhone model kit-part is also part of the M1 skull, I could 3d model it and you could get that 3D printed.
Well. Got permission to scan my kit. So at least that's secured.

I may take you up on that eventually, in case I start scanning this beast.

Worked on some models of the pistons based on rough measurements off the LFS kit. Will refine things later once I get the calipers working again, so I can get it down the the millimeter. The three first models has the angled lip down at the bottom be too long - it needs to be the same as the thin ones, and I need to add some angling at some of the indents, instead of just going straight in. It may just be an artifact of the molding and casting process softening those corner edges or it may be the way they were sculpted, but it's on the kit, so I'm going to replicate it like that.

Pistons-01.jpg
 

Too Much Garlic

Master Member
Working on the Terminator Endoskeleton jaw pistons. There's a major difference between the M1 and the LFS version. Since M1 scratchbuilt many things for their kit, I'm sure they created the jaw pistons as well.

It's a WIP, so some of the parts on the M1 piece hasn't been scaled correctly, such as the thin rod and the two interlocking sections at the bottom.

M1 on the left and LFS on the right.

Jaw-Pistons-01.jpg
 

gizmo

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Interesting. I never picked up on that. Love what you’re doing. Gives me inspiration to push forward on mine. Oh and I’d love to see you scan your kit. For future prosperity it would be great reference.

Ben
 

Too Much Garlic

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Yeah, I refined the LFS one a bit as I remeasured everything. Of the two top protrusions, the top one was a little thicker and the lower one came out a little thinner, but there seems to be a clear difference between the jaw pistons.

M1 left - newer LFS with the most extreme version of the lower top ring in the middle - original LFS model right.
Jaw-Pistons-02.jpg


I've only found the LFS version on some endoskeletons, though I don't really have that much reference showing them in great detail so more than I've found can have them. But the majority has the thinner version, some as thin as the M1 kit, others about half between the M1 and the original LFS version. So I guess both are valid. I'll also make the 3rd version, where the lower ring is a little thinner than LFS but not as thin as the M1 and then people can just decide on their own which to use.

Thinner lower ring:
T1:
T1 - Endoskeleton - Stan Winston Studios - Chromed Animatronic - 007.jpg
T2:
T2 - Endoskeleton - 012.jpg T2 - Endoskeleton - Prop - Intro Bust - 01.jpg

T3:
T3 - Endoskeleton - Upper Torso & Skull - 02.jpg

IconsofSciFi - EMPmuseum:
Endoskeleton - IconsofSciFi - EMPmuseum - 022.jpg

Tokyo Japan Museum Robot Science
01:
Endoskeleton - Tokyo Japan Museum Robot Science - 01 - 007.jpg
02:
Endoskeleton - Tokyo Japan Museum Robot Science - 02 - 010.jpg

Tomenosuke Shoten shop - Japan:
Endoskeleton - Tomenosuke Shoten shop - Japan - 016.jpg

Thicker lower ring:
PropStore - 2018-09-20 - Entertainment Memorabilia Live Auction - Lot 545 - T2 - Terminator Endoskeleton:
PropStore - 2018-09-20 - Entertainment Memorabilia Live Auction - Lot 545 - T2 - Terminator En...jpg

Terminator 2 3D Attraction Store Window - Universal Studios Hollywood - though this one has a weirdly warped skull:
Endoskeleton - Terminator 2 3D Attraction Store Window - Universal Studios Hollywood - 006.jpg
 

Too Much Garlic

Master Member
Did a new piston. This one was the most difficult because I got caught up in recreating the details inside the hole on the side - an area that will simply be filled up with a piston oil hose, so completely unnecessary to recreate. I will have to stop myself from doing detail work on areas that will never be seen.

Anyway, here's a line-up of all the pistons + the LFS jaw piston.

Pistons-02.jpg
 

gizmo

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Superb work Carsten. Your attention to detail
Is unparalleled. The Tomenosuke Endo is probably my favourite next to the full T1 Endo. It features some parts from T1 also,like the shins. I love this pic of it during the filming of T2. There’s also a heap of pics of it from a show in Japan a couple of years ago. I’ll try to find them.

Ben
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Too Much Garlic

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Oh WOW, I've never seen that before. Thanks for sharing it. I think I'll compile all the endoskeleton pictures I've gathered over the years and upload it to dropbox in a zip file.

The skull is definitely T1 style as well. The chip port has the indented hole instead of just the ring cut-out and the slight angling in of the surface at the left rear cheek-bone part beneath the temple opening, where the two dots are on the right side. The T2 does not seem to have that angling there, but seems to have been sanded flat all the way down. The triangular design at the bottom of the nose is also sharp, whereas the T2 is soft. I'll see if I can find a picture showing this.
 

Too Much Garlic

Master Member
One more piston done. I'll go over the earlier ones to make sure they are correct.

Some of the tops may also just be pouring sprouts, so I'll probably remove those. I'll post some pictures of the kit parts to get some feedback on that. And have been wondering whether I should let the hole go all the way through the pipe?
Pistons-03.jpg


The next bit of the jaw piston is actually a little difficult to create. It seems deceptively simple, but there are lots of beveled and rounded edges that overlap in ways I'm not sure I can replicate easily. It will take some thought on how to approach it. Imagine... such a small piece being such a headache.

Unsure whether this works, and please always scan for virus before opening. Here's my available reference. Saved from online and here - please let me know if I should remove the link or any of the pictures.
 
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Too Much Garlic

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I wonder why they changed the angle of the heel for the T2 endoskeletons. The T1 version had the foot much closer to the ground and more anatomically correct looking, whereas the T2 is a bit raised, giving it that look that it's walking in heels.

On the LFS endo you can see the underside of the heel piece having an angled cut-off up the stem. I wonder if they cast the foot and heel section in separate pieces and then perhaps glued the heel part on upside down, giving it a steeper angle away from the foot piece. Hmm.
 

The Terminator

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I wonder why they changed the angle of the heel for the T2 endoskeletons. The T1 version had the foot much closer to the ground and more anatomically correct looking, whereas the T2 is a bit raised, giving it that look that it's walking in heels.

On the LFS endo you can see the underside of the heel piece having an angled cut-off up the stem. I wonder if they cast the foot and heel section in separate pieces and then perhaps glued the heel part on upside down, giving it a steeper angle away from the foot piece. Hmm.
Perhaps they wanted to make it taller?? :unsure:
 

Too Much Garlic

Master Member
A bit weird place to do that when they could just add the height at the mid-section fastening the torso to a higher vertebra piece.

Though, looking at the T1 foot... there seems to be fewer rods under the foot, going from the piston section to the heel piece. Maybe the change was done to add strength.

T2 foot - for some reason I often see them taking pictures of the foot piece lying upside down, but in this instance it is a bonus as you see the added rods. I can't seem to see those on the T1 feet, though I admit I have very little reference clearly showing that part. Even the Japanese endo pictures doesn't show that area clearly:
T2 - Endoskeleton - Prop - Feet - 02.png
 

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