T1 and T2 Endoskeleton Research Thread
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Too Much Garlic
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Propstore sold one of those recently.
I guess getting sick had its benefits. I didn't spend so much money lately... so I may have saved up enough to buy the Shining Einstar scanner next month. Crossing fingers that's the case. There's a retailer here in DK that has it, so it will arrive rather quickly if I order. From the videos I've seen it should be better to capture sharp edges and the stuff like the grooves on the endoskeleton parts.
The 3DMakerPro Mole works great on more organic shapes and has a little trouble with sharp, squared, mechanical shapes. If you scan smart and not overlap too many scan slices it can generate some amazing quality scans. Did a scan of a bust I cannot use just as a test and it turned out amazing. I missed some parts of the detailing on the ears and it had some issues and lost tracking a lot at those areas. The first fuse was a little softer, but when I removed scan slices that weren't really needed the next fuse turned out sharp and detailed. I probably should have scanned something else, so I could show it here, but I just did that scan as a test, but sadly I cannot use it for anything.
I guess getting sick had its benefits. I didn't spend so much money lately... so I may have saved up enough to buy the Shining Einstar scanner next month. Crossing fingers that's the case. There's a retailer here in DK that has it, so it will arrive rather quickly if I order. From the videos I've seen it should be better to capture sharp edges and the stuff like the grooves on the endoskeleton parts.
The 3DMakerPro Mole works great on more organic shapes and has a little trouble with sharp, squared, mechanical shapes. If you scan smart and not overlap too many scan slices it can generate some amazing quality scans. Did a scan of a bust I cannot use just as a test and it turned out amazing. I missed some parts of the detailing on the ears and it had some issues and lost tracking a lot at those areas. The first fuse was a little softer, but when I removed scan slices that weren't really needed the next fuse turned out sharp and detailed. I probably should have scanned something else, so I could show it here, but I just did that scan as a test, but sadly I cannot use it for anything.
Too Much Garlic
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Playing with the new Einstar scanner. It has a little more difficulty in picking up dark areas and areas in shadow, but I'll try another scan again once I can afford to get some vanishing spray.
Interesting to experience the differences between the two scanners. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. I may even be able to use the slices from the mole scanner to fill the holes in the Einstar scan until I can get a proper scan done, as they use the same file format.
Should be able to start scanning the rest of the endoskeleton parts soon.
Interesting to experience the differences between the two scanners. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. I may even be able to use the slices from the mole scanner to fill the holes in the Einstar scan until I can get a proper scan done, as they use the same file format.
Should be able to start scanning the rest of the endoskeleton parts soon.
Too Much Garlic
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I have to say though that the Mole scanner works better with fewer slices, as multiple slices overlapping has a tendency to soften the final fuse. But with a complex shape like the endoskull it is very hard to get all areas and angles in one scan session, so that is just something you'd have to live with.
If I worked with it more I'm sure I can get more efficient scans than I've done currently.
The Einstar can just basically do it in one go, which is wild. But that's what you get from a scanner that has software designed to much more expensive scanners. And now that the Mole is no longer sold at a discount, but at about the same price as the Einstar, there really is no reason not to just go with the Einstar, though.
But yes, it is very interesting to see how they compare, as they are both 0.1mm scanners.
If I worked with it more I'm sure I can get more efficient scans than I've done currently.
The Einstar can just basically do it in one go, which is wild. But that's what you get from a scanner that has software designed to much more expensive scanners. And now that the Mole is no longer sold at a discount, but at about the same price as the Einstar, there really is no reason not to just go with the Einstar, though.
But yes, it is very interesting to see how they compare, as they are both 0.1mm scanners.
MadMaxxCustoms
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I own an LFS endo, and never got any instructions, from those who own one do they tell you how to put it together.
Too Much Garlic
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Partly. I'll see if I can find my instructions.
For some reason the Einstar software did not want to load, so I tried uninstalling and re-installing and then it worked. But every time I closed the program it then refused to load again unless I re-installed it. I've contacted Shining 3D about it.
This issue may also be the cause of the next issue. For some reason the 0.1mm scanning option refused to work at all today, so I switched over to larger object at 0.2mm instead and that worked. I may redo the scans later in 0.1mm setting, but for now this works. Did the chest piece, back piece and battery cover. I paired it with the Mole skull scan for the first picture, just for fun. Second picture is detail images of the various scanned pieces.
For some reason the Einstar software did not want to load, so I tried uninstalling and re-installing and then it worked. But every time I closed the program it then refused to load again unless I re-installed it. I've contacted Shining 3D about it.
This issue may also be the cause of the next issue. For some reason the 0.1mm scanning option refused to work at all today, so I switched over to larger object at 0.2mm instead and that worked. I may redo the scans later in 0.1mm setting, but for now this works. Did the chest piece, back piece and battery cover. I paired it with the Mole skull scan for the first picture, just for fun. Second picture is detail images of the various scanned pieces.
Too Much Garlic
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Thanks. I try to be as open and informative as I can through this.
The new scans are basically good enough to print in 1:6 scale, so I'll probably do that soon.
The new scans are basically good enough to print in 1:6 scale, so I'll probably do that soon.
Too Much Garlic
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Got word back from Shining and they offered several solutions for a fix, including setting up a new account for me. It didn't seem to work, so I deleted the software and all the saved data, downloaded the installer again and ran it and signed in with the new account info. Now it works fine. So I guess there was an issue with the first installation. Hope that's fixed now.
May scan some more today... or maybe later. Feeling a bit down, so it's hard to get motivated to do anything.
May scan some more today... or maybe later. Feeling a bit down, so it's hard to get motivated to do anything.
Too Much Garlic
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Did the upper leg today. Got frustrated that I couldn't align more than two scans together until I just now realized I was stupid and should have clicked next after a successful alignment as that meant it grouped the two scans together into one file and then I could align it with a third...
Damn... sometimes things that I missed from david Laserscanner are slowly creeping its way into other scanner software.... or maybe they were always there and people on Youtube just doesn't use them.
Damn... sometimes things that I missed from david Laserscanner are slowly creeping its way into other scanner software.... or maybe they were always there and people on Youtube just doesn't use them.
Too Much Garlic
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Fun little experiment. My scans compared to the endoskeleton model that was in the recent Terminator game.
I scanned the left leg and just mirrored it for the right one. I may scan the right one eventually, but there is a lot of resin gonk in the top recess that I'm just not too keen of grinding away just now. Though, I can do a quick scan and fuse and see how it compared to the left one. If they are pretty close in shape and details, I'll just stick with the left scan for both legs.
I scanned the left leg and just mirrored it for the right one. I may scan the right one eventually, but there is a lot of resin gonk in the top recess that I'm just not too keen of grinding away just now. Though, I can do a quick scan and fuse and see how it compared to the left one. If they are pretty close in shape and details, I'll just stick with the left scan for both legs.
Too Much Garlic
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Slight progress. I scanned the skull, but it is still not perfect. Though, better than the first one, so all the scans in the picture are now Einstar pieces.
Scanned left and right upper arm and left lower leg. Didn't load the flipped left leg posing as the right, as I found too many differences between the two legs in order for me not to scan the right one. Will eventually get to all the scans I did with the Mole scanner and redo them with the Einstar.
Found that both my lower legs is the same casting. From the shape I assume it's from the left leg. Is it like that one all LFS endoskeletons, or do they sometimes come with two different ones? I'll scan the best one of mine and just mirror it for now.
Scanned left and right upper arm and left lower leg. Didn't load the flipped left leg posing as the right, as I found too many differences between the two legs in order for me not to scan the right one. Will eventually get to all the scans I did with the Mole scanner and redo them with the Einstar.
Found that both my lower legs is the same casting. From the shape I assume it's from the left leg. Is it like that one all LFS endoskeletons, or do they sometimes come with two different ones? I'll scan the best one of mine and just mirror it for now.
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Too Much Garlic
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Noticed something weird and hope people with great or better reference than me can check into it too.
I noticed that the shoulder connector piece that connects the chest motor to the shoulder is placed on different sides in T1 and T2. From what I can tell the one I have scanned - listed as left - is that way on the T1, but on T2 endoskeletons, it is the other one in that spot. So basically... T1 left, T2 right. And vice versa for the other one.
Scanned the shoulder connector, elbow, chest piston bowl and ankle. Except the shoulder piece, all the others are the same used on both sides, so I added all the duplicates in the image to show how far it's come.
May scan some more today... though no promises. Not feeling particularly well today, and may be too exhausted even though 3D scanning is really soothing to do, but also a little hard as the scanner is handheld and a little heavy over prolonged use.
I noticed that the shoulder connector piece that connects the chest motor to the shoulder is placed on different sides in T1 and T2. From what I can tell the one I have scanned - listed as left - is that way on the T1, but on T2 endoskeletons, it is the other one in that spot. So basically... T1 left, T2 right. And vice versa for the other one.
Scanned the shoulder connector, elbow, chest piston bowl and ankle. Except the shoulder piece, all the others are the same used on both sides, so I added all the duplicates in the image to show how far it's come.
May scan some more today... though no promises. Not feeling particularly well today, and may be too exhausted even though 3D scanning is really soothing to do, but also a little hard as the scanner is handheld and a little heavy over prolonged use.
This is absolutely fantastic work that you are doing. I love logging in and seeing these pics.
Too Much Garlic
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Thanks man. Really appreciate the comment.
Too Much Garlic
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Cutting some holes in the back-plate that would be difficult to drill out after printing, so I'm spending time angling various rods to match the holes on both sides. And once that is done I can try doing a print of various parts tomorrow. Currently printing a Darth Vader 1:6 scale chest armor.
Too Much Garlic
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Well, noticed more holes down at the bottom of both the back and front piece as well as on the battery cover... gonna trim those out but for some reason my computer is really buggy right now, so it will have to be later.
