Swordmaking advice

Hi. Have you looked into just buying a wooden training sword from a martial arts store? My wooden bokken (samurai katana) only cost about $30AUS. It is a little thicker than normal (to take a beating) but would be easy to 'plane down'.

Sorry my message is not relating to molding etc, but might help out.
That had actually been my first idea, but had filed it away because at the time I did not know I could have access to a belt sander. I WAS however planning on using my bokken as a shaping guide when curving my pvc. But that is another one I will have to consider for my trial run. The only real problem I could forsee is grinding down the handle to become a new tang, because I wouldn't want to risk having all those sharp corners near the base of the blade. Also because I want to try traditional construction for this.

fibreglass isn't given as good a rep as it deserves sometimes, if you make a two part mould for a sword from silicone, you can put a few thin layers of fibreglass into each side of the mould, and join the two sides with a nice squish of resin and chopped strand, this will make an incredibly tough blade, and because it is hollow you can either leave it so it's nice and light, there would be no need to fill a fibreglass piece with another resin, fibreglass will happily do the job on its own, if you're feeling really crazy though, you could try inserting a thin steel armature as a kind of rebar before you do the final squish of the two sides, it'll chip if you go hitting walls with it, but so would any other material anyway!
So just to make sure I have the concept right, just layer fiberglass and resin on each side so that it sets up hard, making sure to line up to the very edge of each side, and then once cured I would essentially tape it together with resin along the edge and a thin strip of glass? I suppose my question if that is the case is, when sanding it down smooth, because I understand Fiberglass to be a bit rough to start, how do I smooth that edge without destroying the link?
 
So just to make sure I have the concept right, just layer fiberglass and resin on each side so that it sets up hard, making sure to line up to the very edge of each side, and then once cured I would essentially tape it together with resin along the edge and a thin strip of glass? I suppose my question if that is the case is, when sanding it down smooth, because I understand Fiberglass to be a bit rough to start, how do I smooth that edge without destroying the link?


Sorry its kind of hard to explain without pictures, I'll try my best though, also you'll have to bare with me on some of the names for things, it appears you guys over the pond have slightly different terms for things) I work in the film industry and this is how I've always done it, I'll see if I can find pictures I'm allowed to put up for you as reference. But anyway, with your two part silicone mould, (which I'm assuming you're comfortable in preparing)

paint in a thin layer of gel coat into each half (basically a nice fibreglass resin (without any matting)) going literally just up to the edge of the recess left from your original piece, and no more, if you feel the need you can add aluminium powder to this gel coat so you get a nice metal looking sword at the end, this only needs to be one coat thick

then once the gel coat layer is tacky (cured enough to keep its form but soft enough to leave finger prints) paste in your fibreglass matting with the fibreglass resin, again do this is neatly as possible, (remember though this stuff can be trimmed back quite nicely, if it really needs to be) you should build up a few even layers of matting (as many as you can get in up to about 4 max without going over the halfway point of the mould) again do this to both halves

once this his has gone tacky mix up some more fibreglass resin, before applying it chop a load of matting up into the mix, literally tiny bits, no more than 6/7mm in length this will give you a gungy mess with a ton of glass mixed in, take this goop and apply it to the edges, being quite liberal with the amounts but applying it as neatly as possible ( I recommend applying this by hand tbh, but obviously wear gloves, coz that **** is nasty) this stage has to be done pretty quickly but only 'really' needs to be done to one half

optional, use additional squish mix all down the center of the piece and insert a pre made steel armature right into the middle of it (again not necessary but doesn't hurt if you feel like doing it)

whilst the squish mix is still wet pop the second half of the mould ontop making sure all keys match up and everything is well aligned. (Depending on your two part mould you may need to add additional weight or boards/strapping)

leave for a few hours or overnight, and when you open it you should find you have minimal flashing ( I don't know if you guys call it flashing, but the excess **** that splays out of the sides) and because you used chopped strand to do the squish, as opposed to normal matting you should find that it's easy to remove without issue, generally with a nice mould it can be removed with normal sandpaper and you shouldn't even need to use a file or dremel. If you've done everything accurately you should also find you have no bulging in your cast at all and should have a really tough piece.


some people may have issues with this technique, there are some variations you may like to use instead, but this is the basic tried and tested way of doing it. If you have any more question feel free to ask, I'm pretty sure I can answer them all.
 
Sorry its kind of hard to explain without pictures, I'll try my best though, also you'll have to bare with me on some of the names for things, it appears you guys over the pond have slightly different terms for things) I work in the film industry and this is how I've always done it, I'll see if I can find pictures I'm allowed to put up for you as reference. But anyway, with your two part silicone mould, (which I'm assuming you're comfortable in preparing)

paint in a thin layer of gel coat into each half (basically a nice fibreglass resin (without any matting)) going literally just up to the edge of the recess left from your original piece, and no more, if you feel the need you can add aluminium powder to this gel coat so you get a nice metal looking sword at the end, this only needs to be one coat thick

then once the gel coat layer is tacky (cured enough to keep its form but soft enough to leave finger prints) paste in your fibreglass matting with the fibreglass resin, again do this is neatly as possible, (remember though this stuff can be trimmed back quite nicely, if it really needs to be) you should build up a few even layers of matting (as many as you can get in up to about 4 max without going over the halfway point of the mould) again do this to both halves

once this his has gone tacky mix up some more fibreglass resin, before applying it chop a load of matting up into the mix, literally tiny bits, no more than 6/7mm in length this will give you a gungy mess with a ton of glass mixed in, take this goop and apply it to the edges, being quite liberal with the amounts but applying it as neatly as possible ( I recommend applying this by hand tbh, but obviously wear gloves, coz that **** is nasty) this stage has to be done pretty quickly but only 'really' needs to be done to one half

optional, use additional squish mix all down the center of the piece and insert a pre made steel armature right into the middle of it (again not necessary but doesn't hurt if you feel like doing it)

whilst the squish mix is still wet pop the second half of the mould ontop making sure all keys match up and everything is well aligned. (Depending on your two part mould you may need to add additional weight or boards/strapping)

leave for a few hours or overnight, and when you open it you should find you have minimal flashing ( I don't know if you guys call it flashing, but the excess **** that splays out of the sides) and because you used chopped strand to do the squish, as opposed to normal matting you should find that it's easy to remove without issue, generally with a nice mould it can be removed with normal sandpaper and you shouldn't even need to use a file or dremel. If you've done everything accurately you should also find you have no bulging in your cast at all and should have a really tough piece.


some people may have issues with this technique, there are some variations you may like to use instead, but this is the basic tried and tested way of doing it. If you have any more question feel free to ask, I'm pretty sure I can answer them all.
So when applying this squish mix, do I just glob it up on the inside of the edge, or let it overlap a bit so that the two halves will pinch it together and cause it to run over just a bit? I imagin that wouldn't be too big a problem if enough weight was applied to fit the mold together snugly, but I just want to make sure I'd be using the right technique. Testing all this is going to be a long way off for me, but I feel it's always good to plan ahead.
 
So when applying this squish mix, do I just glob it up on the inside of the edge, or let it overlap a bit so that the two halves will pinch it together and cause it to run over just a bit? I imagin that wouldn't be too big a problem if enough weight was applied to fit the mold together snugly, but I just want to make sure I'd be using the right technique. Testing all this is going to be a long way off for me, but I feel it's always good to plan ahead.

Let it overlap a little bit, it's also wise to mix the same ratio of Ali powder into this as you did with the gel coat (if you did that) then it blends a little better (you can even put some of that mixed up gelcoat from the first phase aside to use in the squish to ensure the same colour/consistency) anyway sorry, your question, yes overlap a little, whilst not fool proof it does help prevent bubbles in the edge!
 
hi there.
I´m also working on a murasama ( and oddly enough i´m also interested in making a bakuzan just because it looks good xD )
i went with teh pvc pipes route for my project , as i have more experience working with plastics , i dont have the time to re-upload the progress pics so i´ll just leave you with a link to my tumblr , at the mometn the only major problem i´ve had with the blade itself i that accidentaly it got bent slighlty to a side , so when it travels through the sheath it scratches the paint, be careful while shaping the sheath and this shouldn´t be an issue with your prop.
please bear in mind that these are WIPS pictures Not standard procedure
 
MEGABUMP,

also, how complicated would it be to make a pair of rending scissors (kill la kill) as a scale model (to be used for actual cutting) at about 17cm (~6.6")
i would like to use all metal, but currently that isn't all that available. (if it is seriously that difficult, i can try to get a bit and file it to shape slowly)

i realise this is steering this topic into cosplay territory.

i already have the blade coming-apart mechanism in my mind

thanks to anyone who can help
 
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