SW Acolyte in a tail spin

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Apparently, this was how the next director of Star Wars pitched his/her idea to the Executives at Disney and won them over with tears and thunderous applause. lol (While trying to convince them how terrible George was) Stay Tuned folks...lol

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Psab keel said:
Because that's a good strategy, Disney. Spend 4 billion to acquire a company. Make **** products. When your customers tell you to improve, you attack the very people that made the company worth 4 billion. Real smart. All this amounts to is a case study in how to ruin your brand.
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Let’s not forget Amandla Stemberg’s reaction to the fans. You called them very nasty and negative names. Yup, it’s all their fault the show failed and you’re out of a job with everyone laughing at you. No, you couldn’t take the high road and bow out graciously, apologizing to the fans for the show failing and just go with, “the numbers just weren’t there”. Then maybe you would still be employable. But no. You came off as an immature, spoiled, self righteous jerk that now everyone actually hates.
Personally, if I never hear your name again it will be too soon.
What you claim doesn’t make sense. You’re trying to say that haters hate just for fun? They hate intentionally just to see you fail? Ridiculous. Why would fans hate on a show they LOVE? Yes, we love this show but let’s hate on it or fun so they can cancel it??? Face it, admit it. The show bas bad and poorly executed. Plain and simple. It happens all the time. Bad decisions were made and the show failed. Move on with your life.

You go (away), girl!
 
Amandala is/was not calling every fan nasty and negative names, just the ones who have called her nasty names. I don't hate her and do not think she is an immature, spoiled jerk as you are calling her.

I don't even understand why people are mad about this.

The show sucked yes, did she receive awful messages because of it, yes. Did she say every fan that didn't like the show or her acting was racist and bigoted? No. Why get mad about it? I do not get it.
 
Manual move from "Let's talk all things Star Wars"

AJTaliesen said:
Re: YouTube:

Do Disney defenders really not see the irony of the “why can’t you just ignore it if you don’t like it” crowd trying to go after YouTube channels they don’t like?

At least in the case of YouTube, the existence of those channels doesn’t ruin the canon of previous YouTube videos you loved.
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They don't see any irony in a process they intentionally followed. They said ignore but meant that, specifically, you should. As is the norm with any "ignore it if you don't like it" group, they meant that you should not do anything to interfere with them but as soon as it spins the other way, they will be happy to back a funded million man march. Generally referred to as lying or being untrustworthy. Famous renditions of the same: "Live and let live", "Each to their own", "Let them have their thing", "Their not hurting anyone", "You live your life, let them live their own". Same people will be calling in SWAT calls to your house at 2 in the morning (which can get you killed), turning in fake child/animal abuse calls when you have neither child nor dog, the full fake reviews barrage (not just bad reviews, fake reviews). It is a sly but inherently anti freedom idea. The hidden myth underneath is you don't have the right to free speech. You should keep your opinion to yourself and have no right to share your opinion when it conflicts with theirs. You will immediately see this flipflop when they suddenly rain down a torrent of negativity upon you when they disagree with something you did or said. Then it is full march, denial of service attacks, lawsuits and social cancellation. But I believe this particular Star Wars group has no end to the levels of hate and we will see the franchise as a thing of the past through their efforts in just a few years. It will be, "If we can't have it, no one can." I wish it weren't so but I guarantee they now feel that this is their line in the sand. I didn't even know about these YouTubers they were complaining about until today. It had no impact on my thoughts of how non canon and non star wars this spinoff was. They could have just started a different non Star Wars space story but they didn't. I think the few rumors I heard that say some of these folks had early access, memberships?, to Lucas Films, sounds interesting. Not sure if that was meant to say they are then paid pundits, have fiscal interest in its success, or worse, that they are those that review in-production works and give reviews intended for editorial changes prior to release. If the latter is true, they are inherently responsible for the terrible scripts and are the cause of the closure due to poor viewership numbers. Either way, this continued regurgitation of Disney's failure will not help future productions. These social media attacks are making it far worse than a show just closing because of low viewership.
 
I think it’s always best for the actors to not interact with the internet backlash.. pretend they don’t exists

Once you see them start making comments… some of the stuff they say can instantly turn me off, like you’re better than this..

Freddy prince, ryan Johnson, mark Hamill..

Their comments totally turn me off, and I have become less and less supportive of them
 
Halliwax said:
I think it’s always best for the actors to not interact with the internet backlash.. pretend they don’t exists

Once you see them start making comments… some of the stuff they say can instantly turn me off, like you’re better than this..

Freddy prince, ryan Johnson, mark Hamill..

Their comments totally turn me off, and I have become less and less supportive of them
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Makes sense.
 
Stop making crap.

Stop attacking fans

Stop wasting money going after youtubers, or trying to manage critics, reactions, etc.

Make it not suck and release it. Done.

I think that is what they used to do.

In fact, I can not think of a positive result from attacking fans regardless whether it's a hit or not.

Very odd times.
 
Halliwax said:
I think it’s always best for the actors to not interact with the internet backlash.. pretend they don’t exists

Once you see them start making comments… some of the stuff they say can instantly turn me off, like you’re better than this..

Freddy prince, ryan Johnson, mark Hamill..

Their comments totally turn me off, and I have become less and less supportive of them
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This is so true. Actors are already too involved to see the actual released product. They were part of the process so they become part of the "group think" pressure to see some ethereal meaning or viewpoint. Viewers do not have that. Viewers see the released version, the cut version. It likely does not contain what they, the actors, were told it would and doesn't portray what they were convinced it would. If the audience says it seemed to say "this thing", then you listen and change your production instead of saying, "No, you are wrong" to the audience.

Actors act. It does not immediately correlate to being great in interviews or philosophy or kindness. If you are a bit bitter or just not really great with casual conversation, don't do interviews. Be a great actor, smile if you can, ignore everyone when you can, don't berate the audience.
 
I firmly believe there is a segment out there intending to release a stream of hate on things they personally dislike witbout ecer seeing the product. I mean this thread has examples of ty channels whos numbers shot up incredibly once they went basically all negative. 'That was good/ok/not for em' ertc, doesnt get views. Hate does, and that is what it has become about. 100% fact there are people who think something is dei and immediately go into attack mode. They leave zero option that it could be good, they just immediately go after it. Like anything elae, employing dei can be good or bad. Its in the execution. Some things fail (acolyte) and some succeed (rogue one, tho r1 was before the anti wave).

Too many things are getting trashed anymore before release. They have to be able to breathe. I hate tlj to this day, but i did not hate it until after ros came out. I gave it a chance to see if it came off better to me after the trilogy was complete. It did not. But i wasnt trashing it for all to see as much as i could. Some were...but had that come out this year? The vitriol would have been 10x worse today than it was then. We are n a time were too many people feel unabashed hate is an acceptable form of discourse. It is not.

EVERYONE needs to be big enough to simply say something is not for them and let it go. Seems that level of maturity is gone these days. I get people being protective of star wars, but they are throwing out lots of stuff in different eras. If one isnt for you wait for the next. No one is going to like everything and that is fine. The acolyte wouldnt have survived with no hate, the numbees just didnt bear it out, doesnt seem to many are willing to leave it at that either. Anyone who watched knows it failed on writing and direction, not on who was cast.
 
cboath said:
I firmly believe there is a segment out there intending to release a stream of hate on things they personally dislike witbout ecer seeing the product.
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cboath said:
Too many things are getting trashed anymore before release. They have to be able to breathe.
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cboath said:
EVERYONE needs to be big enough to simply say something is not for them and let it go. Seems that level of maturity is gone these days.
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So, Leslie Headland and Kathleen Kennedy did exactly this to the fans prior to the release of the Acolyte. When they have a clear agenda that they aren't even hiding anymore and have to play damage control or blame game prior to the release of their own product, why is it then so hard to understand the fan reaction "prior" to the release of any of their garbage? It doesn't matter if it was the best written Star Wars show of all time at that point because fans are going to be ticked off at being ridiculed "prior" to its release. THEY have created their own reputation here...and if there was no agenda at all, then they could stand on their own merits of actually writing and producing a good product that the fans would be willing to buy.
cboath said:
We are n a time were too many people feel unabashed hate is an acceptable form of discourse. It is not.
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Again, how about Disney? I honestly think you need to define "Hate" here. I hate their product and their ideology but i don't hate them personally...yet they take their "Hate" and make it personal to the fans, labeling them destructive names that stick with people for a lifetime using terms such as racist and bigots...because we hate their product? Please. That is why the response has been so heavy handed and until they figure that out, they will continue to experience failure after failure. NO ONE should reward them for that and NO, they don't deserve a second chance or even a first chance for that matter, to use another nickel that comes from the fans to produce more of the same gaslighting, agenda driven, people dividing garbage they have been. You reap what you sow. They want respect? Then give it. They could seriously turn this around if they held a press conference and actually apologized to the fans being contrite and tried throwing an olive branch but they aren't mature enough to do it. They will fall by their own sword and like i said before, i won't shed a tear. But, if they sincerely repent and apologize as a corporation and stop the agendas and start uniting people instead of dividing, then i will be the first to applaud it.

Now i do agree that people complain more than they praise...I worked in retail management for 24years...very few called a manager over to say something good....WHICH IS WHY MANAGERS DON'T GO TO THE FRONT OF THE STORE AND CRAP ON THE CUSTOMERS BEFORE THEY ENTER THE BUILDING! ...unless they are stupid and want to be out of a job...it's that simple.
 
How many pages of repetative comments do we really need from people who hated the series (for legitimate reasons or not)? I popped back in and tried to catch up, but it's the same people saying the same things over and over. I'm no fan of the Acolyte, and everyone can express their opinion (as long as it's done within the rules), but there's nothing new being said here. It's becoming the epitome of the worst aspect of the internet: an echo chamber.
 
Bloop said:
How many pages of repetative comments do we really need from people who hated the series (for legitimate reasons or not)? I popped back in and tried to catch up, but it's the same people saying the same things over and over. I'm no fan of the Acolyte, and everyone can express their opinion (as long as it's done within the rules), but there's nothing new being said here. It's becoming the epitome of the worst aspect of the internet: an echo chamber.
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Now you're getting it. By magnetizing all such comments into one place, the other threads are relatively clean of the same stuff (which I keep saying too)!
 
I was speaking about the net in general, not really here.

Wanting to make a dei star wars isnt bad on its face, but lots of people made it out to be. Russian doll is by the same person and it was good, and you could probably argue dei there too. But it was good. Due to dei reasons people decided to hate it off the bat. I dont recall either od them taunting anyone or rubbing anyones face in it. Was dei a conscious decision? Absolutely. Did that make this fail? No it did not. Did it make some people freak out? Yes it did. I dont recall any vitriol when people see flicks with all white people in them, none at all. But it seems to be a major crime if there are none, or in this case just a couple.

This isnt dei casting the 30s or 1800s where lots of stuff was basically non existant or illegal at that time. No story can feature mainly others apparently. That is sad. If that is their stated agenda, we may not like it, but it does not make it wrong either. Again this failed on its own merits, i dont get why that isnt enough and people have to go bashing dei on top of it. Whatever.

As for actors talking about it, all i can think is they are being coached by disney or lfl to say that. At the very least, the way they arw teying ti handle it is failing miserably. No, you cant go trash talking fans. The toxic people arent fans. I seriously doubt many of them were ever fans, they just wanna see their name in the circus and get off on anonymously bullying people. I said elsewhere in here addressing it is just dumb. Ignore it. That is what disney and lfl should be telling them. Whatever you want to label that group, they have left a nasty trail in their wake. Jake, ahmed, kelly, john, moses, etc. Only sw has engendered this level of hate and i have no idea why. The only other thing that got close to this is the marvels. Go figure.
 
Bloop said:
How many pages of repetative comments do we really need from people who hated the series (for legitimate reasons or not)? I popped back in and tried to catch up, but it's the same people saying the same things over and over. I'm no fan of the Acolyte, and everyone can express their opinion (as long as it's done within the rules), but there's nothing new being said here. It's becoming the epitome of the worst aspect of the internet: an echo chamber.
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Well then please add something new to the discussion then...lol, please! Save us from this eternal tailspin we find ourselves in. Lol. In the vein of Captain James T. Kirk...I...must...get beyond this...repetitive thread of...insanity. lol
 
Here, I'll float a shorthand, see if it sticks:

WDDLWAAWHF BAM BAM BAM

Woke DEI Disney Losers With Agendas And Who Hate Fans...B***h And Moan, B***h and Moan, B***h and Moan
 
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