the only issue is, you can't ignore the results....
SW Acolyte in a tail spin
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hey, hey, you like Taco Bell that's fine but you can't deny what that stuff does to your stomach. LoL.I just happen to like the real thing baby! Fresh Beef, Fresh Chicken, Fresh Habaneros...I like my Taco's Fresh and homemade with love and passion behind it....you know what i'm saying? Not stuff frrom a manufacturing plant, microwaved right before you eat it. That's why i won't even think about going there any more. Even the thought gives me the runs...lol. I just get more entertainment being light hearted and joking about it. lol
Ok...Ok..I got one more joke in me...Then i'll take a much needed break to let my stomach settle or take some peptobismol or something..whewwww!
Meanwhile....The word on the street is that Disney is believed to be making a large land purchase to prepare for the past Star Wars products they've put out, the present stuff, as well as the future. I'm not sure if this is Disney's version of a burial ground or their new speed dating on site location that will supposedly be airing on Disney +. I'm very skeptical about the Rotten Tomatoes numbers that were pre-polled.
Meanwhile....The word on the street is that Disney is believed to be making a large land purchase to prepare for the past Star Wars products they've put out, the present stuff, as well as the future. I'm not sure if this is Disney's version of a burial ground or their new speed dating on site location that will supposedly be airing on Disney +. I'm very skeptical about the Rotten Tomatoes numbers that were pre-polled.
ya, I just must say thanks because your Tbell reference gave my "same cr@p, different bot, flush and repeat" real world graphic appeal.
I guess my "spin/bs alarm" continues to go off because I hear the same illogical phrasing coming from numerous, supposed, unrelated members. Disney does not intend for Star Wars to be for children unless we are speaking of the indoctrination of those children. So when I hear "made for kids so won't stand up to scrutiny from the original fans", I hear, "the current communist indoctrination of children is being noticed and called out by the original fans." The entire idea of destroying canon, good guy is now the bad guy, bad guy is the good guy phenomena is not a Disney original thought. The idea of destroying history to remove any stable ground is not a Disney original thought. Creating class division and pitting the youth against their elders is not a Disney original thought. It is political and shouldn't be taking over these shows. And this constant gaslighting about how this indoctrination is Disney's effort to make movies for children is just one sly step away from saying they were intentionally indoctrinating children and got caught by the fans.
The good guy bad guy thing became trendy after GOT Jammie Lanister craze. No one has been able to replicate it though, just Walmart versions of it.
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It isn't anything new. Don't forget all the shows of the late 90's early 00's and into the 10's where the main lead is a criminal, cop or otherwise criminal anti-hero. Sopranos, The Shield, Ray Donovan, etc and yea Game of Thrones. I enjoy complicated characters as much as anyone else, and grey characters are usually much more relatable. But I have a hard time rooting for someone who is in actuality a villain and it can lose me as a fan of the character as I get less sympathetic for them when I want to root for them as a hero. Not saying these shows shouldn't be made and I know that the fall of the main character is often an arc of these stories, I just wanted to bring up that they seem to be what's popular and prevalent in today's entertainment.
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I feel they use it when they don't know how to write a morally compelling character, good or bad.
Might have to do with their own morality?
my issue isn't character arc, it is the character having the same face and name but now written as a completely different character. No triggering event, no cause, no time lapse, just a totally different character. Anakin has an arc. (OK, killing kids is still a no go for his character, no arc there, just a poor decision in writing) The wicked witch from sleeping beauty does not, they just made the evil witch the good person and all the good people are now evil. No arc, just a hatred for good while praising evil and abusing an old story for shock value on an audience that loved the original. Not an anti hero, although I appreciated the examples given above of similar bad guys suddenly doing good (definite trope) but this Disney thing is not that. They are taking a known evil character and rewriting it entirely as though that person is the good one including the previous storyline. There is no purpose for this other than to destroy the original story. It is a negation of historic media in order to eliminate the original message. They don't show a redemption moment like the 80s and 90s anti hero movies, they just go to the backstory and swap it with the good character. OK, so now it is the same story but everyone swapped bodies. That served what purpose? The bodies they swapped into are obvious stereotypes of known evil/good from our collective past but now we are supposed to think those character types are now flipped? The dark evil is now the hero.
This all can be summed up easily. They could have written a totally new story and used totally new characters and names and lands..... But they don't. They purposely destroy known and loved stories that are decades even centuries old. It is not a character type or "similar" to this other story we heard in (insert time frame here), this is the purposed hijacking of someone else's work for the sole purpose of destroying it and saying "up yours" to all that liked it in its original form. And no, it isn't a rewrite or a reboot or a remake, those would all have only differences in flavor, not a completely different story under the guise of the original. I could remake star wars as a steam punk era story and the characters would be the same loved characters but using completely different actors, effects, costumes and dialogue. The base story would still be the same plotline. Sorry, no one is convincing me that these atrocities are normal writing behavior. No remake purposes to destroy the original plotline of an otherwise staggeringly epic and successful story and not be called an utter failure.
This all can be summed up easily. They could have written a totally new story and used totally new characters and names and lands..... But they don't. They purposely destroy known and loved stories that are decades even centuries old. It is not a character type or "similar" to this other story we heard in (insert time frame here), this is the purposed hijacking of someone else's work for the sole purpose of destroying it and saying "up yours" to all that liked it in its original form. And no, it isn't a rewrite or a reboot or a remake, those would all have only differences in flavor, not a completely different story under the guise of the original. I could remake star wars as a steam punk era story and the characters would be the same loved characters but using completely different actors, effects, costumes and dialogue. The base story would still be the same plotline. Sorry, no one is convincing me that these atrocities are normal writing behavior. No remake purposes to destroy the original plotline of an otherwise staggeringly epic and successful story and not be called an utter failure.
I agree: maybe the whole point IS destroying the hero, so they can use the villain to become their new hero and change the narrative of the story to suit their desired morality.
Wow, yes, and you said that waaaay better than I did.
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I argue that it's a de-construction of History that's happening in our Western society as a whole. History, as written, can be ignored, trampled on, crushed to oblivion if the facts/truths don't agree with a certain Socio-Political narrative that we're experiencing for decades now.
I certainly don't want to extrapolate on that subject since it'll veer off to the highly political discourse
I argue that it's a de-construction of History that's happening in our Western society as a whole. History, as written, can be ignored, trampled on, crushed to oblivion if the facts/truths don't agree with a certain Socio-Political narrative that we're experiencing for decades now.
I certainly don't want to extrapolate on that subject since it'll veer off to the highly political discourse
This is why talking about Disney and it's current trajectory is so difficult because the likely cause is far more intentional and planned than we can discuss. Disney really is the poster child for a "captured" resource. And yes, I respect my ability to share projects and builds too much to go down the road about the reality of that situation. I need to complete a Thor's hammer project so I can just inject the image of the mod banhammer when our convos tip close to getting a notification from same.
This is the challenge. Politics have become part and parcel of pop culture that you can't completely avoid them. That's on the studios. They chose to make these issues front and center.
I too won't delve too far into it. It's not worth getting banned over.
I too won't delve too far into it. It's not worth getting banned over.
I think my post should go in a different thread...lol.
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If you mean the toilet grave yard, I think it works well here as the imagery I continue to offer up. You collectively covered the quality of Disney's productions, the spinning imagery initiated in the thread title, and my sentiment for hearing the excuses given by Disney for said production after the seventh time it is copy pasted and re-debated from scratch.
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