Superman Returns crystal

Discussion in 'DC Costumes and Props' started by Darth Exodus, Jul 18, 2006.

  1. Darth Exodus

    Darth Exodus New Member

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    Is there or will there be Supes Returns crystals out there any time soon..either official replicas or fanmade? That was a key prop in the film and I'm kinda surprised it hasn't been brought up a lot..if at all. I would love to have that and the kryptonite cylinder used to make New Krypton.
     
  2. hydin

    hydin Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    i know its being worked on, but i dont know anything about price, timelines or materials.

    im sure itll be worth the wait :)

    personally, im trying to talk myself out of taking apart a piece of selenite i have and making a movie sized krypto-shiv ;)

    chris
     
  3. Neon Sentry

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    I'm currently holding my sculpt for kryptonite shard... it's a bit undersized, I think, but hey, I've got small hands :D

    Can't wait to see some FoS crystals
     
  4. gusw666

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    Well, actually that one will be my next superman prop, i when to a swarovski store here in Argentina, and i asked them for a piece made with the measures, and textures and forms that the ones showed on superman, and they were up to 80 US here. Try to check one near you and try to get a deal there, i believe that if we ask for sevearl pieces we may get a nice deal for several of us that are interested on this prop.

    The site it is:
    http://www.swarovski.com/index/

    Cya

    Gus
     
  5. Darth Exodus

    Darth Exodus New Member

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Gus Weber @ Jul 20 2006, 03:09 AM) [snapback]1284230[/snapback]</div>
    Ok now I wasn't expecting one actually made of crystal or glass, but if we can do that, it would be spectacular.... B) I figured one would come up in resin but it wouldn't have the clarity and rainbow spectrum it gives off like a glass one would..and the actual prop did. I doubt there is a Swarovski store anywhere near where I am but if we could work through the website and get a deal that would be beautiful.

    P.S. I was cruising the Swarovski website and found this. Looks like the movie crystal with all of the rainbow spectrum colors in the corners and whatnot. http://shop.swarovski.com/publicimages/CG/.../837625W240.jpg
     
  6. hydin

    hydin Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    ive been playing around a little bit, and i may *MAY* have a lead on getting these done professionaly out of crystal.

    dunno how accurate itll be, but i sent the same pics i had for reference and the option of screencaps, and the guy was pretty happy.

    i should have a price quote for these probably tommorow. no idea on accuracy but from the rest of the guys work, at least itll look damned pretty :)

    chris
     
  7. darthgordon

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    Well here's a little known fact. If you bake GB nerve agent at 2000 degrees f for 12 hours the end result looks just like kryponite. You know that's not one of my better ideas... nobody try that.
     
  8. Darth Exodus

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    <div class='quotetop'>(hydin @ Jul 20 2006, 11:09 PM) [snapback]1284760[/snapback]</div>
    That sounds great.. I'll keep my fingers crossed..
     
  9. Kal-ElofKrypton

    Kal-ElofKrypton Well-Known Member

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  10. hydin

    hydin Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Wow... got the prices in (ballpark) and they aren't too bad.

    these are ballpark, meaning i havent figured out EXACTLY what length the crystal will be, etc. the details arent finalized and i am working with the guy to get some better ideas.

    so far, these are rough sizes and estimates, all the crystals will be identical, and we are working off the photos from the promo, and screencaps from the website.

    various sizes and whatnot
    10" x 1-3/8"D
    1 $250.00
    5 $145.00
    10 $125.00

    7" x 1"D
    1 $220.00
    5 $150.00
    10 $125.00

    i know the screen used is a little bigger, but those were rough estimates we used off the pics. i am going to send him a ton of screencaps over the weekend and see if we can scale this out a little bit better. i personally think 9" long and max 2" width is the way to go.

    just keeping everyone up to date.
    chris
     
  11. Kal-ElofKrypton

    Kal-ElofKrypton Well-Known Member

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    The Prices, does that mean if you buy one its 220? Also wondering if you would cast the real crystal to make one out of acylic for people who cant afford it.

    I know I am saving at least for one real crystal.
     
  12. hydin

    hydin Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    the way the prices are set , its a group buy kind of thing like when there are runs of sabers. if i get one made, itll cost me probably 250$ or so (even for a prototype, youch). however, if we settle on a design and 10 people like it, then it may only run 100$ for each crystal. if by some miracle 20 people decide they have to have one, it may drop the price to 75$ a pop. no clue.

    i doubt severely i would recast these or have them remade in plexi, as watercutting would pretty much amount to the same cost per piece for the labor. i know of at least 2 others who are making resin versions, and i plan to get those as well, so a resin version of mine would be hard to do, plus redundant. i would need a huge pressure pot as well as lots of resin to work with or i would have to hire someone to mold and cast it, and the price would not be far off from what i have been quoted so far. i did a lot of legwork on this, and its sort of a pet project, so this is either going to go very well and we get tons of people on board or it will suck and fail, and i will have a pretty nice shiny hunk of crystal that costs me an arm and a leg :lol

    not trying to sound like a prop snob here, and i dont mean any insult to anyone with this, but if anyone gets nervous on spending 100$ or so on a real crystal replica, then this might not be the best the version for you. this stuff is insanely expensive. i cant see the resin versions going for less than 40-50 bucks. to me, if i can get a clear crystal piece for around twice that.... im getting while the getting is good. i plan to get resin ones as well since i cant turn down a good crystal, but its just a personal decision for me. i know a crystal one wont yellow, and wont have air bubbles or dents. its pretty much a prop for life.

    i know its more than i usaully toss stuff out there for, and i might actually make maybe a whole dollar a crystal once i get the set made, but this will be a VERY limited run (maybe even limited to 1 :lol) and for the price the guy is quoting me for his time and materials i think its a terrific bargain. to give you an idea of what these crystals go for... a basic trophy like a star shaped cylinder that is about 7 inches tall and 2-3 inches wide, NOT engraved, is almost 400$. i was honestly expecting a quote of 600$ or more for the custom piece considering the facets and weird shape. it cannot come from any existing trophy or crystal setup, it will have to be a 100% custom piece made. that is what surprised the hell out of me on the price. i guess the guy is a superman fan too ;)

    the awesome news (for me i guess) is that i have been talking to him about a lighted display, and he has quite a few ideas that are all pretty cool, and will show off the crystal very very nicely. i am also talking to a local guy who does the awards that my company makes and gives to people in the government/media/etc. these are custom crystal pieces that are pretty much 1 shot items. he may be able to make a faceted crystal work pretty well. im hoping to catch up with him on monday.

    as i said, there are at least 2 people i know of making these (i helped one out recently with some terrific source material), and i am sure that they will kick much * when they are made. i plan to get a copy of each one. i may do a run with these, i may not, i honestly dont know. i know i do plan to get one made by this guy as his other work is amazing. his job is to make those kick * crystal awards and showpieces people always have in thier studios and offices and for award shows. if a few other people like the design and want one, i plan to have an interest thread later on once i get prices firmly set down as well as measurements.

    all of this is completely up in the air right now. i know people want this replica, and i havent heard much public about the actual offers. the closest i have seen this get is a few pm's to me about making one, and sending out some source material, and gus finding out what one would run in argentina. i may find this guy is a total tool and not be able to work with him. i may be able to get a great price from another shop (and yes i am still looking).

    sorry for the long read, just had some emails and a pm or two about this, and wanted to explain. im not trying to jack anyones sales or steal anyones thunder. im not looking to make anything off this at all actually. i just think a real crystal version of this prop would be an awesome thing to own, and frankly besides me and gus, i havent heard talk of that kind of replica. the more the merrier on this (and anything else made by a shop), so i made the info public. it doesnt mean i wont buy the other versions made, it just means that i personally want one of the crystals made out of crystal and not a resin or plexiglass. its worth the extra $$$ to me to have the prop feel realisitic, not to mention the "high class" look that crystal always for any display piece. if gus can get us some more info on getting it made, chances are id drop the project and just pick one up from him.

    id love to hear what people think the measurements are for the various facets or overall size. like i said, not looking to steal anyones project away from em, just looking to get a cool piece made. if i can get a few other people behind it to knock the price down, company is welcome :D

    i am still thinking of that krypto-shiv though, and i do have that 11 lb chunk of selenite calling me... and my carving tools....... i dunno how i would get that "flaky" look/feel to the shiv though. when it broke in spaceys hand it looked like it was somehow just dyed green selenite. lots of long tiny square shaped rods that are sort of "compressed", exactly like selenite. i just dunno how to make something with that same "texture" to the "inside" of the resin. outside is easy enough.

    anywho, im off to bed.

    chris
     
  13. Kal-ElofKrypton

    Kal-ElofKrypton Well-Known Member

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    Well I will watch this thread with open ears. I am on the smae page with you, I have resign Crystals but a real one would make me freak.
     
  14. Darth Exodus

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    Agreed. I have two resin green cystals from FXHound that are wonderful..but having a real crystal would honestly be the treasure of my prop collection. I don't care if we don't get 10 people on this..I want that thing nomatter what.....although it would be easier if we did have 10+ peeps ;) I'm curious to see what this guy has in mind for displays..can't wait to see where this pans out..
     
  15. misterfusion

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    I think once your protorype pics start floating around, you're not gonna have any trouble getting a bunch of people onboard.

    I'm probably gonna be down for a couple myself.

    Steve
     
  16. thatguyno1

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    I saw the licensed replica of the kryptonite shiv today at the comic store. Only 1000 made and it is made of plastic and mounted on a lighted base. $200.00. It doesn't look actual size. If I could get one made of crystal I would definitely be in on that.

    Paul ô¿ô
     
  17. hydin

    hydin Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    the kryptonite shiv isnt movie sized. its movie "influenced", but not anywhere near the size. even the chunk they pull out of supes is bigger :angry

    it is, however, one cool prop replica.

    just for clarity here, i am going to see about offering up the clear fortress of solitude crystal made out of actual crystal. not the krypto shiv. i may make a krypto shiv later, but itll probably be resin ;)

    chris
     
  18. thatguyno1

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    Sorry - didn't mean to confuse the issue. I would be in on the fortress crystal also.
     
  19. gusw666

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    Fund it, im orderin one tomorrow, im ordering the Acrylic crystal display for 90 bucks, check the website, ill keep u posted with pics and info whenever i receive it:

    http://www.blackwellfx.com/

    Cya


    Gus
     
  20. hydin

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    the guy does great work. havent bought from him myself, but hear nothing but rave reviews when it comes to the resident evil stuff.

    you shouldnt be let down at all with the order.

    chris
     
  21. hydin

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    :lol

    well, i got a reply in from one of the guys i was talking to about a custom run of this crystal made from the same stuff they make the crystals they laser engrave for 3d stuff.

    the great news is the crystals would only be about 15-20$ a pop. roughly 9" long, up to 2" wide.

    the good news is a prototype is only 150$, which is refunded when an order is placed.

    the bad news is the minimum order is 300 pieces :lol

    oh man.... somehow... that hurts. if the min was 40 or even 30, i could see a small run being doable from there. but 300 of em..... wow. thats a lotta crystals.

    the good news is i still have a few other guys im talking to. i just had to share this one :lol

    so close... yet so far.
    chris
     
  22. Kal-ElofKrypton

    Kal-ElofKrypton Well-Known Member

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    WOW keep going. Still what a find if we could only have 300 members interested.
     
  23. hydin

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    after talking with the gent, we compared prices again, and his final offer was 200 pieces at an undetermined price.

    so.... basically im not going with him ;)

    it was pretty cool of him to knock 100 off the limit his factory has though. i told him i appreciated it, but i still only needed tops maybe 25 of these things. we parted as friends, and i told him if i ever needed 200 of something that looked great, i would gladly keep him in mind.

    if i only had 175 more people who were willing to toss about 40-50$ a crystal at me, we could have this knocked out in about 4 weeks :lol

    ah well. still looking, got some new leads and ill be on the phone for a while tommorow (or later today).

    chris
     
  24. hydin

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    ALRIGHT......

    great news.

    found a company, and i am currently negociating with them.

    i THINK the final item will be in optical crystal.

    heres the price breakdown

    if we get 20 crystals, they run 50$ a pop.
    if we get 50 crystals, they run 35$ a pop.

    this is NOT including shipping, nor the fee for a prototype.

    this is what i need from anyone/everyone. since i am sort of guesstimating my order on this, i would appreciate any and all help for figuring out the size and overall facets to this particular piece.

    i will suck up the price for the proto myself, its going to run me about 60$ and shipping, but this is with a contract for the remainder.

    updates and screen caps on the head count thread.
    chris
     
  25. hydin

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    quoted for emphasis in case someone missed it ;)

    chris
     

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