Flag waving nationalism can lead to some hairy stuff as well.
Nick
Nick
Superman renounces US citizenship
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IndyFanChuck
Sr Member
I wasn't being critical of America. What I am saying is more Love and Peace is a better answer than Nationalism.
Didn't you see the movie 300???
Didn't you see the movie 300???
This is a great fantasy - but as long as there is money in the world, LOVE will never be factored in on anything. With family, yes, but not when it comes to anything else.
Even America (as proud as she be) is divided. Most of the people here HATE each other. Racism has played a part in my life (growing up in Texas) and even when I visit Houston I still see it (especially in the schools when it comes to how teachers treat different types of kids). Then if you go to California (the birthplace of "peace and love") Los Angeles is divided into little subsections and stores are plastered with messages "spend your money here and it will stay in OUR community - in other words, with OUR people). There's your "we're all the same".
ShadowX81
Sr Member
I get what you are saying and agree with you to a point.
However I do not feel that Nationalism is a bad thing. I don't hate anyone, nor do I feel that those from other countries are bad. However at the same time I am proud to be from this country. A country where anyone can aspire to anything in life; and with some skill, hard work, and a little luck can achieve it. The last big piece of land on this earth that came to be populated from people from all over the world, forming a shared culture. A country that has been on the forefront of every major campaign for freedom and peace in the world for the past 100 years.
And I hate that all of this is simply ignored, and what we all seem to pay attention to are the very minor and fairly insignifigant flaws. Compared to most places on the planet, we live in paridise. I feel genuinly grateful for that every day, and im not going to let the occasional crime here or the occasional racist there ruin it for me like it has others.
And that is what makes me mad. Even a national icon like Superman has become disalusioned with a country that he used to be almost an advertisement for.
Actually, Superman stands for an America that never came. The idea of America more so than the actual existing place. Ask Siegal and Shuster how great their lives turned out - even after creating a character as recognizable as Mickey Mouse. Shuster once wrote about walking down the street in NY and spotting a marquee over a theatre that read "Superman: The Musical". He said "I don't know which was more sad, the fact that they made Superman into a musical or that I didn't have enough money to see it". THAT is America. Run by lawyers and corporations - punishing most of the good out of people.
How many people here complaining actually READ Superman comics?
Shadow - not to start anything with you out a friendly discussion - but you are very fortunate if your upbringing has allowed you a POV where all of American's problems can be wrapped up a word like "insignificant" .
While I know there is some inevitability due to the subject itself, but let's be careful about pulling politics into this thread or US-bashing.
ShadowX81
Sr Member
Im not going to argue with you there. I am very fortunate to be living in the circumstances that I am. However I feel that there are a large percentage of people that are also just as fortunate.
How many of us can really say that we have been closely and personally touched by crime, personal danger, or poverty the way that people in third world country's have (some on a daily basis)? Even those of us in this country that are considered "lower class" still live in situations better than most other places in the world. Most of the problems our country has really doesn't affect all that many people. I would consider all of us to be fortunate. And ive always seen Superman as someone who was a representation of that.
jarvis
Sr Member
If you read the article it states, "Superman replies that it was foolish to think that his actions would not reflect politically on the American government, and that he therefore plans to renounce his American citizenship... "
Which means, he didn't renounce citizenship because he hates America, he did it so he could intervene in other countries without the US having to deal with whatever circumstances arise as a result of those actions.
Which means, he didn't renounce citizenship because he hates America, he did it so he could intervene in other countries without the US having to deal with whatever circumstances arise as a result of those actions.
Jannix Quinn
Sr Member
We don't want your cast-off superheroes anyway.
IndyFanChuck
Sr Member
This thread is headed to a dark dark place. :sick
You know the American way is freedom, democracy, liberty, and the original revolution of the people by the people grew, evolved and spread around the world. The great experiment in self rule was so poweful and successful it spread like wildfire.
People don't realize sometimes how few nations there were that were "free" nations only just 100 years ago. If WWII had gone differently, this globe could have been horribly different. And so many immigrants made America what it is. It's something to be fiercely proud of. America is truly a global community all it's own for crying out loud!
Superman stand for that. That American way. It doesn't have to be more complicated that that and that is no reason to change that.
IDIOTS! DC got's 'em.
MY Superman still stands for it so the hell with them!
People don't realize sometimes how few nations there were that were "free" nations only just 100 years ago. If WWII had gone differently, this globe could have been horribly different. And so many immigrants made America what it is. It's something to be fiercely proud of. America is truly a global community all it's own for crying out loud!
Superman stand for that. That American way. It doesn't have to be more complicated that that and that is no reason to change that.
IDIOTS! DC got's 'em.
MY Superman still stands for it so the hell with them!
MY Superman still stands for it so the hell with them!
If I remember correctly that cover was used right around the time of the Gulf War, a little after, and in it the US asked Superman to go in and aid the troops taking down a dictator who looked ALOT like Saddam. Superman did it but the rest of the world got real nervous knowing Superman was going to be a soldier from now on. To calm nerves Supes made a speech saying something along the lines of "I am a citizen of the world - not just the Unites States." -
There was another issue that tied to the one above (Superman marching against tanks was the cover of the other). He may have made the speech in the second, but I know he said it.
Never read that one.
We're all citizens of the world, you can have the character recognize that, but to renounce citizenship is just beyond my understanding for what the character has become known for for so long now.
I think you are confusing Superman with Clark Kent there. Superman is just an image Clark Kent hides behind to protect his identity and life as a US citizen.
For Superman to announce he has no allegiance to a particular country but to the planet in general is a good thing. It's about time we all did that, otherwise the human race will never move forward.
"I think you are confusing Superman with Clark Kent there. Superman is just an image Clark Kent hides behind to protect his identity and life as a US citizen.
For Superman to announce he has no allegiance to a particular country but to the planet in general is a good thing. It's about time we all did that, otherwise the human race will never move forward."
Most Americans believe the American system of freedoms and its republic are a superior system to anything else in the world. To compromise on such to "move forward" is a move backwards. Which is why Superman was supposed to be for the American way.
When you compromise with a system going in the wrong direction, you start going in a wrong direction. That is the problem with universalism.
For Superman to announce he has no allegiance to a particular country but to the planet in general is a good thing. It's about time we all did that, otherwise the human race will never move forward."
Most Americans believe the American system of freedoms and its republic are a superior system to anything else in the world. To compromise on such to "move forward" is a move backwards. Which is why Superman was supposed to be for the American way.
When you compromise with a system going in the wrong direction, you start going in a wrong direction. That is the problem with universalism.
ShadowX81
Sr Member
No one is saying that. But we are proud of our heritage, just like everyone else. Why should we be ashamed of that.
Superman is an icon of our country created by US citizens for US citizens. The traits that define "The American Way" are still just as true today (if not more so) than the day that Superman first stood for them, so why should it be any different now?
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