I agree. Just a fun topic to pick apart.
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I agree. Just a fun topic to pick apart.
Snikt
Sr Member
Also, every one of those films grossed over a billion dollars, so theres that... I personally hated Iron Man 3, but they still got my money, and after that, they didnt care what I thought about the movie.
And is that really that big of a deal? Decimating August records, the worst time to put out a movie? So what? You really cant compare GotG to this movie. Define failure? Failure as a movie, or a financial failure? To me, this movie failed HARD.
Oh god Fawbish why do you have to be so dramatic... Seriously. Nobody wants to pay money to see a bad movie. So when you pay for something, and it didnt deliver, you have the right to complain about it. Revel in the negativity? Toxic zeitgeist? I havent heard so much melodrama since my high school drama class. Admit it, youre just a DC fanboy and youre programmed to like anything that has a DC logo on it. And thats fine. But dont go around saying things like "revel in the negativity and add to the toxic zeitgeist" just because someone didnt like it, or posts proof that the movie sucks.Cause it does. You sound ridiculous and nobody, at least me, can take you seriously when you say things like that, especially when its over a bad movie.
Fawbish
Sr Member
And yet you're reacting somewhat melodramatically to my comments "Oh god" - how ironic. Others are permitted to complain, but I'm not permitted to defend, is that it? You realise the context of the sentence implies the negative thinking and general opinion already exists - not that I think JD created it. Your definition of proof is loose. As is your definition of failure apparently.
You've read my opinion of the movie in previous posts - I didn't love it. I liked it after a second viewing. I enjoyed myself at the movies. I said it should have been better. I'm not blindly typing away here.
But OK, let's resort to calling me a fan boy (yep, I'm a fan of DC, and last I checked, a bloke) and that I'm programmed - could have sworn I'd put my human mask on today. What a silly billy I've been, trampling around with my pre-programmed terribly evil ways. :facepalm
All I ever argue for is to see the positives (if they exist), and measure the negatives fairly (pretty important that bit - something that is quickly getting lost in all this crap about everything nowadays). I don't say someone should love something. I don't believe for a second that anyone should feel anything except what they feel for this film, or the others. If something can be explained and seen in a different light and it increases someones enjoyment, that's what I enjoy. It is you, that insists I should hate something, "because it sucks HARD man, everyone says it does too so I'm definitely right and you're wrong you fan boy". Yawn.
Fawbish
Sr Member
That was brilliant. :thumbsup
crabra comander
Master Member
I agree, this isn't going to destroy those built-in heroes. But the DCEU is getting destroyed before it even began. That's interesting that you think there is a possibility that some DC films will get squashed if the next few don't do well. I get a bad feeling the studios will keep driving on, further destroying semi-loved characters
Snikt
Sr Member
Thats fine, condescendingly dismiss my opinion, its not a big deal. I just dont get what compels you to say stuff at the end of your post that makes you sound like youre so much better than anyone that doesnt like someone just because your "positive" about it. It baffles me.
See? Even that comment right there takes things to the extreme, one word I say and off you go. Im pretty sure that you understand what Fanboy means, but just in case Ill explain it to you, cause last time I checked, there isnt a sarcasm font. Its when you like something regardless of how awful, devoid of inspiration or creativty something is JUST because its from an outlet that you hold dear. You can be a fan of multiple things, but being a fanboy means that the company/studio/whatever can do no wrong. And I think at least for the DCCU, you are. Having observed that, Ill just take your opinions with a mountain of salt.
Im not insisting that you need to hate something, I just dont understand how you can take so many "positives" away from these DC movies to the point that you like/enjoy them. I just dont understand, it confounds me. But hey, typical internet political correctiveness that youre entitled to your opionon blah blah blah...yawn. Its just funny cause youre so hipster about analyzing these films. :lol
Solo4114
Master Member
I don't. At a certain point, if these films either (A) are losing money or (B) aren't making as much as they "should" be making in the eyes of the board and/or shareholders, the people in charge will be replaced and the direction of the franchise changed. You've already seen that with Geoff Johns being tapped as the new creative director. If that's not enough, then other heads will roll.
Bottom line: these are huge, huge properties with huge earnings potential. The fact that DC isn't posting massive successes right up alongside Marvel is pretty much Exhibit A for the prosecution against the people who've been running the show thus far. There is, I expect, a limited window for things to turn around. If Wonder Woman tanks or is similarly disappointing, and ESPECIALLY if JLA does poorly, then I would strongly suspect we'll see some big changes.
Another thing to mention is if there is anything else SuperHero/ Sci-Fi in the pipe hitting theaters soon? I would rather watch a so/so Superhero flick than a good drama.
Ill go see it as I dont know a thing about the comic books other than the Joker is in it and I think the girl from No Doubt is his girlfriend. I think.
Lets run the numbers. $175m budget times our before mentioned (as we learned in the GB16 thread) 3.8 = $665m break even point. As of today its at $475m worldwide on its second week. Im no accountant, but I think they will see a profit. Its out pacing Guardians ($773M Worldwide) but I think it will peter out because it doesnt have the word of mouth Guardians did. Profitable, yes. How much? Dont know.
Also, the trailers were really good and were drumming up demand way before reviews came in. The human brain will choose its first impression regardless of better proof after the fact.
Ill go see it as I dont know a thing about the comic books other than the Joker is in it and I think the girl from No Doubt is his girlfriend. I think.
Lets run the numbers. $175m budget times our before mentioned (as we learned in the GB16 thread) 3.8 = $665m break even point. As of today its at $475m worldwide on its second week. Im no accountant, but I think they will see a profit. Its out pacing Guardians ($773M Worldwide) but I think it will peter out because it doesnt have the word of mouth Guardians did. Profitable, yes. How much? Dont know.
Also, the trailers were really good and were drumming up demand way before reviews came in. The human brain will choose its first impression regardless of better proof after the fact.
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firesprite
Master Member
LOL. She's not Gwen Stefani. If you believe their claims, Harley and the Joker's looks were lifted from Die Antwoord. Personally, I see more Debbie Harry in Harley.
Silly peoples.
LOL. She's not Gwen Stefani. If you believe their claims, Harley and the Joker's looks were lifted from Die Antwoord. Personally, I see more Debbie Harry in Harley.
Silly peoples.
I forgot the smiley face icon. I flew GS, Blake Sheldon and Adam Levine a few months ago. I made the same joke to her about Suicide Squad. They all laughed and ribbed me about it for the return flight.
firesprite
Master Member
It's one of those interesting covert wars going on. The creator of the Graphics Interchange Format was asked and said it's pronounced "jif", and immediately all things polarized into "the creator of the format said it, thus it is so" and people with actual brains saying "um... it's not giraffics, dammit".
--Jonah
Father
Sr Member
Just finished watching it...
It was every bit the gold plated turd I expected it to be and then some.
Pros - Barely any.
At best,
- Harley was ok. Not great. Her trashy, tatted up, blinged out look was a huge turn-off. Her "accent" was more or less on, but her timing was more or less off. Overall the character felt overdone and contrived.
- Batman crossover/cameo
- Diablo was kind of cool.... especially at the end.
Cons - Too many to count.
- The soundtrack. While I appreciate how they picked "classic/timeless" rock songs, the mix of modern songs ruined any chance of eventually dating this movie. I'm personally not a fan of heavy use of songs vs. just scoring a movie so I'm probably overly biased, but when they seem to try to use rock songs as some kind of theme for individual characters, and run through 3 different songs in the first 3 minutes of the movie it feels forced.
- The filming... almost felt like an Oliver Stone movie.... had flavors of Natural Born Killers in some parts. The freeze-frame titling/lists as new characters are introduced again feels stupid and artificial.
- I never followed the character but Flagg is an unlikable POS. If he's supposed to be that way then I guess Kinnaman was an ok choice because I can't stand him as an actor so who better to play someone I'm not supposed to like. Kinnaman is right up there with Hayden Christiansen and Paul Walker on the list of "Horrible actors that somehow continue to get work".
- Deadshot didn't work for me. Will Smith played Will Smith very well. I would have prefer someone else play Deadshot though.
- Joker... awful in ways I can barely describe. His voice was the closest to meh as his character could get. Again with the bling. The makeup, especially the tats and mouth/lipstick, was just off. Leto knocked it out of the park with "trying too hard" and "overdoing it", but not with "Leto's Joker is better than Ledger's"... his Joker wasn't even better than the Lego version. To Leto's credit (or more the make-up folks), he looked less like the himself playing Joker than Nicholson did.
The way they did Joker in this he seems so unhinged it's hard to imagine he can actually form a rational thought, let alone come up with elaborate plans within plans to make him enough of a challenge that Batman would need to deal with him rather than the regular police.
- Killer Croc.... lame. Either commit all the way or don't bother. Seemed more like a carny than Killer Croc.
- Boomerang... As far as actors go, there aren't many people I can't stand more than Kinnamon but Courtney is probably in the top 5 of that short list. Yet somehow his character was slightly more likeable than Flag. This isn't really a pro because they both suck. Again, pushing the crazy persona. That's not how I've seen Boomerang in the past, but then again I've always thought he was a lame rogue, though typical of DC.
- The plot was pretty much an uninspired set piece for the Squad to be formed and to do something. The whole idea of the squad being proposed as a contingent to fight metahumans was lame... especially since, as someone stated earlier, they only had one metahuman (2 if you count Croc), with none of them being even a match for Batman, let alone Superman. On a side note, does anyone else find it irritating when they group everyone with "abilities" as a metahuman? Superman is a alien. Wonder Woman is an immortal. I think of metahumans as either people that gained their abilities by accident (Flash) or "mutants". Moving on.
- The creatures can't be killed by SOCOM guys with heavy firepower... but a crazy girl with a baseball bat can. Crazy trumps skill and training. Right on. Got it.
- "Fly me out of the city now that you saved me.... but fly low... like, between buildings, so we're an incredibly soft target and our crash can drag the story out another 30 minutes. Pop off a bunch of chaff/counter-measures too.... it'll look cool and announce our departure."
- "Let's get a drink so we have a few moments where our crimes and horrible acts can be discussed and somehow be justified and our POS characters can be humanized."
So yeah, DC has gained zero traction in the DCCU from my perspective. Sadly, the box office profits from this movie will outweigh the dismal reviews and won't send any message to Warner/DC about how they just can't get it right, so we'll be privy to lots more garbage like this. So kudos to those that paid money to see this. You're the reason DC will not stop. As Will Smith said in Hancock... "Good Job".
It was every bit the gold plated turd I expected it to be and then some.
Pros - Barely any.
At best,
- Harley was ok. Not great. Her trashy, tatted up, blinged out look was a huge turn-off. Her "accent" was more or less on, but her timing was more or less off. Overall the character felt overdone and contrived.
- Batman crossover/cameo
- Diablo was kind of cool.... especially at the end.
Cons - Too many to count.
- The soundtrack. While I appreciate how they picked "classic/timeless" rock songs, the mix of modern songs ruined any chance of eventually dating this movie. I'm personally not a fan of heavy use of songs vs. just scoring a movie so I'm probably overly biased, but when they seem to try to use rock songs as some kind of theme for individual characters, and run through 3 different songs in the first 3 minutes of the movie it feels forced.
- The filming... almost felt like an Oliver Stone movie.... had flavors of Natural Born Killers in some parts. The freeze-frame titling/lists as new characters are introduced again feels stupid and artificial.
- I never followed the character but Flagg is an unlikable POS. If he's supposed to be that way then I guess Kinnaman was an ok choice because I can't stand him as an actor so who better to play someone I'm not supposed to like. Kinnaman is right up there with Hayden Christiansen and Paul Walker on the list of "Horrible actors that somehow continue to get work".
- Deadshot didn't work for me. Will Smith played Will Smith very well. I would have prefer someone else play Deadshot though.
- Joker... awful in ways I can barely describe. His voice was the closest to meh as his character could get. Again with the bling. The makeup, especially the tats and mouth/lipstick, was just off. Leto knocked it out of the park with "trying too hard" and "overdoing it", but not with "Leto's Joker is better than Ledger's"... his Joker wasn't even better than the Lego version. To Leto's credit (or more the make-up folks), he looked less like the himself playing Joker than Nicholson did.
The way they did Joker in this he seems so unhinged it's hard to imagine he can actually form a rational thought, let alone come up with elaborate plans within plans to make him enough of a challenge that Batman would need to deal with him rather than the regular police.
- Killer Croc.... lame. Either commit all the way or don't bother. Seemed more like a carny than Killer Croc.
- Boomerang... As far as actors go, there aren't many people I can't stand more than Kinnamon but Courtney is probably in the top 5 of that short list. Yet somehow his character was slightly more likeable than Flag. This isn't really a pro because they both suck. Again, pushing the crazy persona. That's not how I've seen Boomerang in the past, but then again I've always thought he was a lame rogue, though typical of DC.
- The plot was pretty much an uninspired set piece for the Squad to be formed and to do something. The whole idea of the squad being proposed as a contingent to fight metahumans was lame... especially since, as someone stated earlier, they only had one metahuman (2 if you count Croc), with none of them being even a match for Batman, let alone Superman. On a side note, does anyone else find it irritating when they group everyone with "abilities" as a metahuman? Superman is a alien. Wonder Woman is an immortal. I think of metahumans as either people that gained their abilities by accident (Flash) or "mutants". Moving on.
- The creatures can't be killed by SOCOM guys with heavy firepower... but a crazy girl with a baseball bat can. Crazy trumps skill and training. Right on. Got it.
- "Fly me out of the city now that you saved me.... but fly low... like, between buildings, so we're an incredibly soft target and our crash can drag the story out another 30 minutes. Pop off a bunch of chaff/counter-measures too.... it'll look cool and announce our departure."
- "Let's get a drink so we have a few moments where our crimes and horrible acts can be discussed and somehow be justified and our POS characters can be humanized."
So yeah, DC has gained zero traction in the DCCU from my perspective. Sadly, the box office profits from this movie will outweigh the dismal reviews and won't send any message to Warner/DC about how they just can't get it right, so we'll be privy to lots more garbage like this. So kudos to those that paid money to see this. You're the reason DC will not stop. As Will Smith said in Hancock... "Good Job".
Kal
Well-Known Member
Pure crap.
The joker was the worst yet. Looked less like Mr.J and more like MrT with all those chains and ring. The voice sounded like Scarface was going out on Halloween as the Joker.
I have never seen such crap in the past 25years
DC films apparently means Definitely Crap.
Even the wife hated it and she likes horrible movies.
The joker was the worst yet. Looked less like Mr.J and more like MrT with all those chains and ring. The voice sounded like Scarface was going out on Halloween as the Joker.
I have never seen such crap in the past 25years
DC films apparently means Definitely Crap.
Even the wife hated it and she likes horrible movies.
JediG60racer
Sr Member
Didn't care for the Joker.
Loved Harley - but would have respected her character more if she'd had pants on. Cargo pants with tactical slings loaded with all sorts of random stuff like corkscrews, hammers, odd knives. That would have been more her. Or at least harlequin pants. PANTS FOR PETE'S SAKE> HAVE YOU NEVER SEEN MST3K, DC?
Sing the praises of pants.
Loved Harley - but would have respected her character more if she'd had pants on. Cargo pants with tactical slings loaded with all sorts of random stuff like corkscrews, hammers, odd knives. That would have been more her. Or at least harlequin pants. PANTS FOR PETE'S SAKE> HAVE YOU NEVER SEEN MST3K, DC?
Sing the praises of pants.
astroboy
Master Member
Lt. Dangle, on why he needs shorts that are both short AND tight:
"I do not wear the regulation uniform. I gotta be able to move like a cheetah, a law enforcement cheetah"
-reno 911
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KrangPrime
Master Member
ugh....
who looks at that design and says 'yeah, this is the joker...lets go with it..'
What's so wrong with the basic white skin and purple coat? why can't that work for this movie?
Ihope wonder woman isn't as much of a train wreck as this thing sounds like.
Ledger 'mad raging man' joker was the first bad sign..this is pretty much the nail in the coffin.
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