Stargate Horus moving helmet- update: tutorial done!

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  1. Honus

    Honus Sr Member

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    I've been wanting to build one of these helmets for a very long time but there was no way I could spend the cash to sculpt one and do a proper casting so I had to improvise by using the pepakura model provided by nintendude and movieman as a base (a HUGE thank you to you guys!) I certainly wasn't going for accuracy as this is intended to be a low budget costume helmet instead of an accurate replica.

    When I set out to build this I wanted it to be light weight, low cost and most importantly I wanted it to move. :)

    The helmet is constructed of cardstock, paper mache and foam sheet with some thin plywood for the head mech and fan parts. I still need to fit the covers for the fans and do some finishing and painting but so far I'm pretty happy with it.

    Here's the tutorial- enjoy!
    Animatronic Stargate helmet

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  2. Sean

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- low budget

    wicked Cool!any video in the future of the mechanism working?
     
  3. Rysjin7717

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    Here's ya answer.
     
  4. Nobby

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    now that is sweeeeeeeet!

    great work dude! :D
     
  5. vctrsone

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    wow! dude i love stargate..your making me want to make stargate props.

    cant wait to see it finished.

    I might look into making one of the gold glove style weapons (sorry cant remember name) since I work in brass and copper.

    il be watching this thread anyway.
     
  6. Nobby

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    Talk to Pete SSS.
    He has made them in the pst and says they're a real pain in the butt :D
     
  7. Honus

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- low budget -video

    Updated first post to include test video. :)
     
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  8. Nobby

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- low budget -video

    those animatronics are fantastic!!!!!!
     
  9. vctrsone

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- low budget

    its a pretty simple design compared to my lightsabers. I dont think il have any trouble creating it (I say this now LOL)...like i say brass and copper is what I do.

    I will check out petes one too tho.


    and nice vid! really really love those animatronics....I might have to start getting into making some animatronic systems...now that ive got my lightsaber electricals down pat.

    this is why I love props..constant learning!......and awe lol
     
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  10. Jonny B

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- low budget -video

    You JERK! You have any idea what this means now? I HAVE to learn electronics so I can make mine look THIS * COOL!

    I've seen a few with moving heads before, but NONE cought the "Birdness" (I know not a word but only way I can think to describe it) of the movements of the head like yours does.
     
  11. Honus

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- low budget -video

    Thanks guys- glad you like it! The animatronic system is really simple- it just runs the same program in a loop so turn it on and you're good to go. I figured it was easier and more practical to do it this way so all I have to do is tell each servo where to go. During a pause in the video is when the eyes will light up once I install them- they'll just fade in and out.

    Originally I had envisioned a system that had the hand device that would control the helmet. I had bend sensors on the fingers and it used a wireless radio to link to the helmet so when you moved your fingers the helmet would move accordingly. In actual practice it was a bit cumbersome and was hard to control.

    As far as the head mechanism goes I could make it much smaller and lighter. I originally used smaller servos but I didn't realize the gears in them were damaged until after I had built the mechanism so I had to rebuild it using some larger servos I had laying around. With smaller servos the side to side movement range would be greater due to improved clearance but it's not too bad as it is. The head would also be able to sit a bit further back.

    While designing the head mechanism I looked at how a lot of birds moved their heads and many of them seem to tilt slightly as they rotate so this mechanism does the same thing. The forward servo allows for tilt independent of rotation so you can get a pretty good range of motion.

    If anyone is ever interested in getting an animatronic system built just let me know.
     
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  12. Jonny B

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- low budget -video

    Well, to be perfectly honest, we're doing a small production run of horus heads to sell. Light weight, vaccuformed parts in "Kit" form or fully painted and deco'd. It'll be in the begining of the year, Feb-March. What would these cost to make? Seriously, this kind of puts it over the top in the cool-factor.
    It's like the Aliens "Marines Motion Tracker"...prop was dead on acurate but it went WAY up in the "Holy C##P I have to have that!" when added the electronics that went thump...thump...thump..and when you pressed a hidden button it went TING TING TING! exactly like in the movie.

    I got to take mesurements and high res pictures of the screen used Horus a while ago so we're almost dead on. However, one may be comming up for sale soonish and if so we'll mold right off an original. Provided it doesn't cost me a second morgage!
     
  13. Nwerke

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- low budget -video

    Ooooh!!!!!!!!!! Colour me interested.

    Honus, your stuff is great! I'm loving this build. Couldn't imagine papier mache looking so good!
     
  14. Rysjin7717

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- low budget -video

    Honus< it seems ta me like it's a bit jerkey in it's movements when turning th' head an all raptor type birds tilt their heads like that good observation. I think that ya could smoothen th' movement out a bit make it look more natural instead of it being a more forced movement but that might be due ta some clearance issues inside th' actual helmet.
     
  15. Eveningarwen

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    absolutely love! We're planning on doing an Anubis Guard costume and want the head to move and eyes to light up so it's great seeing this!
     
  16. Honus

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- low budget -video

    Jonny B- I'll work up some numbers and send you a PM later. A vac form kit would be really cool- I always thought that would be a great way to produce these at a reasonable cost but I was worried that it would hard to capture all the detail.

    One of the other things I might do is connect a sound board to play audio files in sync with the movements. It would be tough to do in a costume due to limited space but it would make a killer display.

    Rysjin7717- Most of that jerkiness you see is due to the whole head moving around since the stand isn't very stable. Once you're wearing the helmet it's greatly reduced. The big problem with servos is that they have rapid acceleration/deceleration and that can add to that jerky movement, especially if the piece you're moving weighs a lot. Fortunately the head is very light weight, especially compared to the rest of the helmet so that helps a lot. You can add filtering to the code to smooth the movements/reduce speed and change servo acceleration/deceleration rates but that can have some side effects too- you often get "steps" as the servos move which I think looks even worse. I'm working on some smoothing code to slow it down a bit so we'll see how it goes.

    Eveningarwen- I'll have a full tutorial up on Instructables.com soon (I'll post a link) so you'll be able to make the Anubis version. :) I'll have to make one of the Anubis heads to see if there are any changes that will have to be made to the head mech to make it fit.
     
  17. Badmonkey

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- low budget -video

    That would be great Honus! I'll be making the Anubis costume with EveningArwen so I really look forward to seeing the tutorial. If you don't get around to trying the Anubis version before I do, I'll definitely share what changes were needed.

    Awesome build mate!!!
     
  18. EyeintheSky

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- low budget -video

    Great job! I'm really interested!
     
  19. Rysjin7717

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    Honus, Idk that thanx for clearin that up i'm sure that by th' time this is finished it'll look a lot better as far as th' animatronics are concerned . i really love watchin how ya builds go from idea ta finished. i consider ya ta be th' authority when it comes electronics for costumes bra. (y)thumbsup(y)thumbsup:cool
     
  20. Mole

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- low budget -video

    Wow! That's really nice! Love the way it moves.
     
  21. Sluis Van Shipyards

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    Yeah that is really cool! That's something I wish they would have done more of on the series with the helmets.
     
  22. Honus

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- low budget -video

    Thanks for the kind words everyone! So here's what it looks like finished. I just used silver and copper colored Krylon with pastels. I like building but I hate painting... I think overall it's not too bad for a low budget build using paper mache and foam.

    I'll have the complete tutorial with new video up either tonight or tomorrow. :)

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  23. kwalsh0000

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- low budget -video

    Man that is simply stunning, both the piece and animatronic! Really great work and thanks for the tutorial. May be in touch with you at some stage.
     
  24. ThePhoenix

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    unreal man beautiful
     
  25. Honus

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- update: finished!

    Thanks guys! I added some new pics. The lighting in my house is just terrible- it's really hard to take good photos of this thing.
     
  26. EyeintheSky

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    Really impressive, amazing helmet!!!!! WOW!!!!!
     
  27. Judge Spartan

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- update: finished!

    Beautiful work sir...
     
  28. Scareb

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- update: finished!

    * dude, that is too cool, it looks like it came right out of the film. Any plans on putting up a video of the movements?
     
  29. Honus

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- update: finished!

    There's a link to a video in the first post. I'll have a new video up soon.
     
  30. Scareb

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    Oh wow, go me with my lack of reading skills haha.
     
  31. Scareb

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- update: finished!

    Just watched the video, that is beyond cool. Would you be able to slow down the movements though? I thought I remembered the helmets moving more slowly?
     
  32. Nwerke

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    Oh that's pretty, Honus. You should be proud!
     
  33. Honus

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    Re: Stargate Horus moving helmet- update: finished!

    I think they are slower in the movie- the fan movement is different as well. I simplified the fan movement in order to keep cost down and reduce complexity. To make the fans work like the movie helmet would require some additional gears and another pivot mechanism- and it's getting crowded in there already. I'm working on adding some filtering to make the movements a bit slower and more natural but it may be a while in order to get it just right.
     
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  34. Nobby

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    not too bad???? not.......... too............ bad????

    you, sir, are a master of gross understatement :)

    This thing is stunning :D
     
  35. Rysjin7717

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    Honus, ya finished helmet looks great bra. i'll be lookin forward ta ya finished video.
     
  36. Finhead

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    That is plan old awesome right there. :) Love it, can't wait for the new vid and tut. :thumbsup
     
  37. Honus

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    Tutorial is done! Updated first post. :)
     
  38. Alan Castillo

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    Papier mache and foam. I am speechless :eek

    Astonishing build, fenomenal finish ! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
     
  39. PepMaster

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    Holy Hell this thing is beautiful. First completely done one I have seen. Hope to possibly see it at some conventions, maybe Dragon*Con if you can make it. But this does give me a idea for future pepakura jobs to just use paper mache on the outside and inside over fiberglass and use something like sheetrock putty to coat and sand.
     
  40. Honus

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    Thanks for the kind words guys! I still need to edit the tutorial a bit, add diagrams, etc. But first I'm going to take a nap...
     
  41. Finhead

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    Just flipped through it, very nice and thanks for sharing the build. :)
    It says if your a premium member you can get a PDF any chance of getting a copy of that hosted anywhere? Would make life way easier on the lazy. lol
     
  42. Honus

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    I've got a better idea- PM sent.
     
  43. Rysjin7717

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    Honus' th' tutorial is great thanx bra always shariin ya wealth of experience an expertse with us noobs!!!!!
     
  44. Honus

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    Happy to help! I've gone back and edited the tutorial and added notes to the photos to make things easier to understand.

    If anyone ever has any questions about it just let me know.
     
  45. dmaul

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    Oh man that is sweet! Awesome work all around and I will definitely need your help when I finish my build.
     
  46. Honus

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    Thanks! I'll start building the Anubis head soon to see if it fits over the existing mechanics.
     
  47. tango'd fett

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    Amazing job there ,'always loved these in the movie and wondered why they never did them in the series .
     
  48. Bftiedt

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    would love to see this one!!
     
  49. BrundelFly

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    Thats actually,....not far off from how they did it!

    Nice job!

    Frank
     
  50. Honus

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    Thanks- glad you like it! I've always wanted to see how the original movie heads were made.

    Now I really want to make an animatronic ZAT but it'll have to wait a bit as I'm up to my ears in Iron Man animatronics...
     

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