Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Post-release)
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Scarecrow Joe
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Box Office numbers dont reflect the final outcome. Specially first weekend numbers and in this season. From that same article:
Should Disney be disappointed in $179 million? Absolutely not, because between Christmas Day and New Year’s Day, every day at the box office is like a weekend day, and even with a movie as big as a Star War, there are those who decide not to see it the weekend before Christmas because they’re waiting to see it on Christmas Day, or with their family during the week. Is it going to fetch the $936 million earned by The Force Awakens domestically? Probably not, but it might do Black Panther numbers ($700 million) and cross the $1 billion mark globally, even without much help from China, which doesn’t like Star Wars.
Rise of Skywalker is going to do just fine, in spite of the divided audiences, the mixed reviews (57 percent on Rotten Tomatoes, only marginally better than the 53 percent of Phantom Menace), and even the relatively weak Cinemascore (B+, lower than even Solo’s A-). Audiences are still going to flock to it because it’s a Star Wars movie, because it’s the end of a story arc that’s 42 years in the making, and because everyone wants to see what all the fuss is about. It will eventually end up being Disney’s seventh billion dollar movie of the year.
Again, considering how some were just hoping, waiting and savoring a disaster.....it didn't happened.
Mr Webber
Master Member
LOL. The old sayings of You reap what you sew and If you lie down with dogs, you get fleas comes rushing to mind. This thing is as far away from making an actual profit as I am from my first filled nappy at this stage.
Toadmeister
Sr Member
I watched the Critical Drinkers review parts 1 and 2 tonight and I think he hits the nail on the head with his closing statements in about the last 5 minutes.
Mr Webber
Master Member
Nah, that and the 8 hour live stream he was involved in yesterday were obviously all pre written coz thats a thing now right?
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I think Critical Drinker said it beautifully:
"Go pretty much anywhere in the world today and I'll bet someone there's heard of Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader, and Princess Leia. No matter your age, nationality, color or creed, we've all been touched by Star Wars in some way. It came out more than forty years ago but at it's heart it's a story that's timeless and universal. With characters that strike a chord, generation after generation. But a few decades from now no one will remember Rey, or Kylo Ren. Nobody will care about the First Order or the Resistance. Nobody will talk about the battle of Crait, or the death of Snoke. The story told by Disney is vacuous and shallow. It's grand concepts disorganized and blighted by ego and agenda. It's ideas and messages are so focused on our present day fears and frustrations and petty grudges that it fails to realize what made Star Wars so appealing in the first place. It was an escape from all those things. An escape to a galaxy far, far away."
"Go pretty much anywhere in the world today and I'll bet someone there's heard of Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader, and Princess Leia. No matter your age, nationality, color or creed, we've all been touched by Star Wars in some way. It came out more than forty years ago but at it's heart it's a story that's timeless and universal. With characters that strike a chord, generation after generation. But a few decades from now no one will remember Rey, or Kylo Ren. Nobody will care about the First Order or the Resistance. Nobody will talk about the battle of Crait, or the death of Snoke. The story told by Disney is vacuous and shallow. It's grand concepts disorganized and blighted by ego and agenda. It's ideas and messages are so focused on our present day fears and frustrations and petty grudges that it fails to realize what made Star Wars so appealing in the first place. It was an escape from all those things. An escape to a galaxy far, far away."
HMSwolfe
Master Member
I think more so than ever the apologists are coming out of the woodwork to excuse as many flaws as possible, and relying on the same tired old arguments as always. “The originals weren’t that good”, “it’s just a movie so enjoy it”, “you’re just determined to hate it”, “it included/referenced something from canon so I like it”, “you think all force powers should have been established and no more can be created”, and the list goes on and on. They think that to criticize the film as a film is sacrilege and whining, and that to expect, I don’t know, a competent, finished film with a plot, characters, and resonant themes is “setting your expectations too high”. I mean, no film is perfect, and the OT certainly isn’t. But there’s a big difference between being competent and still highly entertaining and impactful, and just throwing recognizable things on screen for two and a half hours and trying to make a four billion dollar plus investment back. I think we’ve had some pretty entertaining films come out this fall/winter. I liked Jojo Rabbit, Knives Out, Ford V. Ferrari, and I’m looking forward to others as the year comes to a close. Those films had characters, though, and tried new things, and took risks, and were artistic expressions by people with something to say. They told stories of people who faced real obstacles, and had real, human desires, and had to fight to achieve their goals. None of those films gets a pass because “it’s just a movie for kids” or “the lore actually explained this” or that we should “just be glad they’re even making this movie”. They all had to succeed or fail based on the actual merits of the filmmaking and the storytelling. TROS was a nearly three-hour long commercial for toys; the equivalent of The Office’s “The Banker” episode, where they just showed a highlight reel of goofy antics from previous seasons. If you were entertained by this movie, I guess good for you, but it’s terrible for me, and for a lot of other people too. You might say that we have too high of expectations, but what’s wrong with that? What’s wrong with holding the entertainment we consume to a higher standard, and require it to be more than a Michael Bay Transformers movie? Why can’t we expect the bare minimum in storytelling, especially from franchises and intellectual properties we’re incredibly attached too? Why should we allow a multi-billion dollar company to make pandering dreck and tell us that we have to enjoy it so they’ll get a nice fat paycheck? And if these films really do get held to higher standards (or like I said, even a bare minimum), who loses out this way? For all those that already like these movies just because they had something you recognized and you clapped, wouldn’t your experience be exactly the same if the movie were actually good and managed to entertain more than just your small demographic? I mean, honestly, it’s selfish of you to deny those who aren’t entertained because theses big franchise movies are being lazy of good films just because you want to throw money at your nostalgia. And it won’t ever stop either. The Lion King 2019 proved that. So does TROS. We’re going to be trapped in a nightmare realm of having every positive cinematic experience we’ve ever had mined and drained of life and sold back to us until we’re all dead. It’s cheaper and easier to sell nostalgia. That’s what we show as an audience when we settle for less. I hate the prequels. But watching episode IX, I gained a newfound respect for them. They took risks. Weird ones. They were the result of someone’s vision. I might disagree with every direction they took Star Wars, but it was the product of people at the end of the day. Not a committee, not highly-paid executives, not a corporation with the formula to infinite profits all figured out. At the end of the day, that’s what stories are about: people. We can feel when passion and humanity are absent from a film—even something like The Room manages to be more heartfelt than Star Trek: Into Darkness or Justice League.
Potroclo
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Wasn't Rey broadcasting the path to exogal to everyone in the galaxy when she goes there after redeeming Ben? Hyperdriving tie fighter is still a mistery, maybe it's another new generation-overpowered force trick
I for one didn't like the CGI, saw similar flaws to Rogue One. Still, the scene was awesome, very reminiscent of some EU material, and a nice glimpse of what ep 7-9 could have been...
Don't know the answer, but if it was indeed palpatine's "muppet" it's weird that palps acts surprised to discover that Reylo is a "dyad" right there and then when they both get to his lair, given that Snoke states that he created that bond in ep 8.
patrickivan
Sr Member
There's a lot going on here, and if someone mentioned this solution, I missed it. The old TIE not having hyperdrive, could be reconciled by the Empire having had some hyperdrive docking rings for TIES. Not a practical solution, but something that could help give a solution to this.
Joek3rr
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Cody1138
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For me the film was OK. I was sad for a moment when I saw the Star Wars logo and space crawl realizing that this likely the last time I will see these elements in a theatre. Even if there are more films, they will not likely conform to what George made in 1977. The movie's pace was very fast and wasn't boring in that aspect. Sure I could complain about this or that, but why bother. The Skywalker story is over, and it is fine. JJ did a good job of integrating the archival footage of Carrie Fisher. I did not think the fan-service moments were as bad as others have commented on and for the most part were logical and not just thrown in. Am I happy with the way it wrapped up? Not exactly, but I didn't make the film nor was I consulted when JJ made the thing, so we have the film we have and that's the end of it. There is no mythical "Zach Snyder" cut 
, it is what it is.
, it is what it is.
The one thing I've been hearing when people see this is how it 'clears things up' when the true fact is that it doesnt. It contradicts everything that happened from The PT and the OT.
I'd love to know from someone who thinks its cleared thing up as I cant find anything to say it has. Basically Palpatine won, we never get to see how he survived and we have seen his relative taking the family name of Skywalker. What a lot of rubbish.
Ridley and Boyega are awful actors as are most in the ST. They try to act but its like they are trying too hard.The storyline is abysmal and JJ is a complete tube. In my eyes he is as bad as Rian, but he has just tried to win everyone over by basically mocking TLJ and trying to paper over cracks.
This movie is absolute ********* and leaves more questions than answers.
The ST doesn't exist to me. It's just a bad dream. I would rather be condemned to a life of watching AOTC every night than watch this ***** again. Nothing about these movies is good.
I'd love to know from someone who thinks its cleared thing up as I cant find anything to say it has. Basically Palpatine won, we never get to see how he survived and we have seen his relative taking the family name of Skywalker. What a lot of rubbish.
Ridley and Boyega are awful actors as are most in the ST. They try to act but its like they are trying too hard.The storyline is abysmal and JJ is a complete tube. In my eyes he is as bad as Rian, but he has just tried to win everyone over by basically mocking TLJ and trying to paper over cracks.
This movie is absolute ********* and leaves more questions than answers.
The ST doesn't exist to me. It's just a bad dream. I would rather be condemned to a life of watching AOTC every night than watch this ***** again. Nothing about these movies is good.
Jaitea
Master Member
annanake
Sr Member
I miss read his post I thought he ment we NEVER see how obi wan got the sabre .
But seriously in ANH was it a problem for anyone .
I know as a kid I remember thinking wait I wonder how Obi Wan got Anakin's light sabre ????
Wait what's a light sabre ????
Scarecrow Joe
Sr Member
Apologists? Really? The films are flawed and no one here has ever said they were perfect. Small demographic? Not really. Numbers say otherwise.I think some here are in the LOUDEST and BITTER demographic. That a more realistic definition. If anyone wants to throw money at their nostalgia, like you so arrogantly put it, let them be. Is their money, it is their nostalgia. That way of trying to intellectually diminished anyone, who thinks the movies are entertaining and basically a nice way a good time with one's family, is getting old. There are even some here who have yet to see the films and yet had the nerve to vote it down as bad. I thought you were the smartest and the more intelectual guys around? Not that smart to me. Please do not try to diminished intellectually anyone to try and prove a point. You may find those people are possibly more educated than you. It nears dangerously to bigotry and it really dont make you look better.
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