Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

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I agree that the other SW titles don't sound that great out of context. A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi may sound like great titles with such a close association with these movies, but I don't think they're great titles in their own right. Don't get me start on the prequel names, as they're not great titles even by association. :lol
I'm pretty indifferent on "The Force Awakens" at this point. Don't love it, don't dislike it either. Give me a movie to go with the title, and it may blend in just fine among the other SW titles. What's in a name? It's not a deal breaker for me.

Not a deal breaker for me either. :)

Still hate the name :p

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I've mostly stayed away from this thread, trying to keep myself from getting too optimistic or developing too much of a preconceived notion of what the film will/won't be. That said, allow me to engage in the following exercise to try to buoy the spirits of those who see the title as being weak.

Suppose, for a moment, that the title is actually telling you what's gonna happen (kinda like The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi). Suppose we attach that title to a story that genuinely follows it, and turns out to be interesting.

For example, let's figure that, with the death of Vader and the Emperor, and the apparent final fall of the Sith (no new apprentices to carry on the tradition, and it's implied in ROTS that the Sith don't really "do" Force ghosts), the dark side has effectively left the galaxy or become incredibly unfocused.

As a result of this, with no incredibly strong practitioners OTHER than Luke, the Force has, in a sense, atrophied. It's diminished over time, to the point where Luke basically no longer feels a connection to it, after 30 years. You've got to figure this would be EXTREMELY difficult for him to take, as his entire identity and life has been built around the Force to some degree or other. People are still "force-sensitive" or "force-capable" or whathaveyou (we won't get into the "midichlorian" nonsense to explain it), but very few people feel connected to the Force in a way that lets them manipulate it effectively. And nobody knows why. It's like the Force has, over the past 30 years, basically slipped away, and Luke is totally baffled as to why. He searched for information initially, but gave up after a while and simply secluded himself out of depression. After all, what's a Jedi with no Force abilities? Just some crazy old wizard spouting mystic-sounding phrases. (Sound familiar?)

This is the state in which we find our characters at the start of the film. Luke's a hermit, Leia's busy trying to rebuild the Republic/establish a new one. Han's...I dunno...feeling at loose ends and maybe a drunk. Chewie is watching Han's back. The droids follow Leia around, althogh maybe R2 went off with Luke and 3PO stayed with Leia. And Lando? Well he's just the smooooooothest mofo to ever...wait. No. Sorry, Lando's not really in this.

ANYWAY, the Force is basically dormant in the galaxy...until the appearance of a mysterious new player. Put simply, things start going WRONG, and nobody can figure out why, until one of the new, younger characters puts it together that this is because of the Force. Maybe he or she "senses" something, in a way they never did, and it only starts up when the bad things begin. So, we end up with three parallel storylines:

(1) Things are going wrong in the galaxy because of this evil/malevolent "presence" behind the scenes. Can the Republic survive? Will war break out? Will this new enemy unite disparate factions to challenge the fledgling Republic?

(2) Our young hero is discovering that he/she is connected to the Force, but doesn't know what that means. How do they hone their abilities? What IS the Force? Can Luke provide the answers? Connected to this, why is it happening all now? Can Luke and his new apprentice discover the cause of the "awakening" of the Force?

(3) A new evil is rising. But in what form? Driven by what or whom? What are its goals? How is it connected to what's going on in the Republic, and the awakening of the Force?

As the film series progresses, we discover that the Force actually always exists in a state of dualistic balance. Good can never fully triumph over evil without crippling itself in the process. The Force has apparently ebbed and flowed at times in the galaxy's past, as well, as the light and dark sides saw ascendency. In essence, the period beginning with the fall of the Jedi and ending with the fall of the Sith was a "reboot" of the Force, and now we're seeing all that play out. And the new "evil" character....actually isn't exactly "evil," per se. They're not Palpatine, grasping power for its own sake. They want, instead, to return the Force to the Galaxy, and they understand that this can only happen by creating a dark presence. They believe the galaxy needs the Jedi, and if it's gonna have them, that means it needs dark side Force users, too. In essence, the one cannot exist without the other, so if one disappears, both will. As a result, they view their "evil" actions as, at their core, good. Motivated by good ends, if not executed by good means. But, as with most dark side users, they view it that the ends justify the means. And so, we get a nice little moral question for folks to ponder as they watch this adventure unfold.



I have no idea if that's what this movie will be, but when I heard the title, that was what came to mind. I think that'd actually be kinda cool, if it was done well, and the title would "fit" the story. Maybe it'd be done poorly, too. Or maybe some other story will be done. But I'm saying that I think the title, if attached to a good and relevant story, will end up being swept into the "cool" aspect of the film. Ultimately, I think the title's neutral, and it'll depend HEAVILY on the film itself to make it either retroactively cool or crap.
 
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I doubt they will consider going that path, but that's a great and unique spin on the state of the Force.
 
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I doubt they will consider going that path, but that's a great and unique spin on the state of the Force.


Yeah, like the rumor I posted a link to, this title jibes well with that. Here is the synopsis for those who are interested:

I'm told that in the back story for the film, Luke Skywalker does something amazing with the Force. He's really powerful, more of "wizard than lightsaber wielding warrior." Basically, Luke Skywalker has a "Force Unleashed" moment and realizes he might be bad for the universe.The aftermath of that event is difficult for Luke.Luke Skywalker has become the most powerful Jedi ever, but he doesn't believe he's the wisest. He doesn't want to make the mistake his father made by thinking he knows what's right for the universe. Skywalker becomes somewhat deranged in his seclusion. He is consumed by his fear that if he should return to "society" his power could be misused, he could be manipulated, and he may accidentally hurt the ones he loves.
For these reasons, to protect the galaxy and himself, Luke retreats into self-imposed exile for many years. I'm told he can't always control the power. While he sits in a meditative state, he levitates things unconsciously and he's not always in complete control and he's never sure if he's doing the will of the Force or acting on his own passions. Luke is seeing the past, the present, the future, "old friends long gone" and other things that prey upon his sanity.
Luke Skywalker is described as "creepy and frightening in appearance" because you supposedly can see "the fire in his eyes" behind his grizzled appearance during some scenes.
For most of Luke's appearance in Star Wars: Episode VII, it is questionable if his madness will result in evil. Not even those that have known him for most of his life know if he's sane or not. However, the villain and the new hero both draw Skywalker out and he's forced to intervene in the galactic conflict. The imbalance he feared bringing back to the galaxy is set into motion by the new evil. But it is not only evil that brings Luke Skywalker out of exile. The good in the universe does as well when one of the heroes convinces him the place he is in is not where he belongs.
By the last act of the film, it is clear where Luke falls on spectrum of good and evil
 
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Mel Brooks is a genius. He spoofed it nearly 30 years before its release. :D

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The titles for the chapters of the Star Wars films harken back to the titles of the chapters of the movie serials Uncle George grew up on. The Raiders titles are no different.
 
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It's going to be weird seeing a Disney castle/bad robot instead of the Lucasfilm logo before the opening titles. I've grown up with the 20th century fox drums, etc. and I know it's not part of the movie but it is part of the movie to me.
 
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It's going to be weird seeing a Disney castle/bad robot instead of the Lucasfilm logo before the opening titles. I've grown up with the 20th century fox drums, etc. and I know it's not part of the movie but it is part of the movie to me.

I hadn't considered this to date. However, as long as they keep the timing on the pause before the crawl begins, the feeling will remain.
 
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I grew up in the 90's and the original Star Wars trilogy was before my time, but I did see the movies when I was a kid and what I do remember is the hype when The Phantom Menace came out. This was before the endless "Special Editions" had tainted the original Trilogy and at a time when no one was expecting anything but greatness from Lucas. I remember going with my parents to see the movie. (the only Star Wars film I have seen in theaters) People were dressed up in costumes, partying before the start of the film, waving toy lightsabers. The hype and excitement was tangible.

I mention that story because I wonder if that childlike awe will come back when this film is released, or if our expectations have been tempered.
 
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I've grown up with the 20th century fox drums, etc. and I know it's not part of the movie but it is part of the movie to me.

Agree 100%. It's not a deal breaker certainly, but the Fox intro is part of the SW experience and the fun. It's like when going up on a roller coaster getting higher and higher as the excitement builds with knowing that the first big rush is coming. Sometimes little things make a big difference.
 
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I agree...hell I had a version of the soundtrack that included the Fox fanfare. It's part of the whole intro package. Shame it's gone :(
 
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It's going to be weird seeing a Disney castle/bad robot instead of the Lucasfilm logo before the opening titles. I've grown up with the 20th century fox drums, etc. and I know it's not part of the movie but it is part of the movie to me.

actually you will still see the Lucasfilm green to gold logo.. it may come before or after the Disney and BadRobot logos but remember, Disney owns Lucasfilm and Lucasfilm is still in business. just watch Star Wars Rebels... the Lucasfilm logo still appears at the end. its just the 20th Century Fox logo that will no longer appear.
 
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I grew up in the 90's and the original Star Wars trilogy was before my time, but I did see the movies when I was a kid and what I do remember is the hype when The Phantom Menace came out. This was before the endless "Special Editions" had tainted the original Trilogy and at a time when no one was expecting anything but greatness from Lucas. I remember going with my parents to see the movie. (the only Star Wars film I have seen in theaters) People were dressed up in costumes, partying before the start of the film, waving toy lightsabers. The hype and excitement was tangible.

I mention that story because I wonder if that childlike awe will come back when this film is released, or if our expectations have been tempered.

If there is a floodgate of lowered expectations and previous movie dissapointments holding back a full rage of nerdy fandom, it will be broken through when that first trailer hits.

I could not have more faith in JJ Abrams.
 
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